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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
December 16 2012 16:28 GMT
#781
This all completely overlooks that people who were previously rolling their face on the keyboard and getting kills/victories now how to learn to actually play correctly.

When a champion gets nerfed, the win rate SHOULD plummet and then after some time go back up a bit and stabilize.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
December 16 2012 16:30 GMT
#782
Wait so is it true Wings is goign to dig?
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
December 16 2012 16:31 GMT
#783
On December 17 2012 01:13 WhiteDog wrote:
All this discussion doesn't mean a lot when we talk about Diana because she is a) highly picked b) her % win ratio dropped significantly over a night c) no change in her skills might make us believe that she is "not figured out".

A lot of people who follow the meta may have dropped using her overnight. There's a psychological effect to it. You have to get used to last hitting with less damage and missing ults that you otherwise would have hit. She'll probably rise again in win rate over the next few weeks, but probably not up to 50%.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 16 2012 16:33 GMT
#784
On December 17 2012 01:26 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 01:17 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 17 2012 01:13 WhiteDog wrote:
All this discussion doesn't mean a lot when we talk about Diana because she is a) highly picked b) her % win ratio dropped significantly over a night c) no change in her skills might make us believe that she is "not figured out".


Yea, I think she is overnerfed for soloQ purposes. Maybe she will remain viable for competitive play.

I played her last night and it didn't feel so bad. It was weird not being to follow up every one of my Qs with my ult when I wanted to, but her burst and tankiness was still incredibly strong. She might be a little weak as of now, but you can still pick her and not have the worst time (I mean she's not Heimer level status or anything).


Heimer lvl status...

DID MY PROJECT HEIMER PROVE NOTHING TO YOU PEOPLE

Also, what craton said. People were used to doing whatever they wanted and face rolling to victory. Now they actually need to learn to play Diana.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 16:34:11
December 16 2012 16:33 GMT
#785
On December 17 2012 01:30 Kouda wrote:
Wait so is it true Wings is goign to dig?

There has been no official statement, all we have to go by is Scarra's convo with Pobelter. Which seemed pretty serious, so we shall just have to wait and see.
On December 17 2012 01:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 01:26 onlywonderboy wrote:
On December 17 2012 01:17 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 17 2012 01:13 WhiteDog wrote:
All this discussion doesn't mean a lot when we talk about Diana because she is a) highly picked b) her % win ratio dropped significantly over a night c) no change in her skills might make us believe that she is "not figured out".


Yea, I think she is overnerfed for soloQ purposes. Maybe she will remain viable for competitive play.

I played her last night and it didn't feel so bad. It was weird not being to follow up every one of my Qs with my ult when I wanted to, but her burst and tankiness was still incredibly strong. She might be a little weak as of now, but you can still pick her and not have the worst time (I mean she's not Heimer level status or anything).


Heimer lvl status...

DID MY PROJECT HEIMER PROVE NOTHING TO YOU PEOPLE

Also, what craton said. People were used to doing whatever they wanted and face rolling to victory. Now they actually need to learn to play Diana.

I'm oblivious to this Project Heimer, maybe it was before my time?
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 16 2012 16:43 GMT
#786
On December 17 2012 01:33 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 01:30 Kouda wrote:
Wait so is it true Wings is goign to dig?

There has been no official statement, all we have to go by is Scarra's convo with Pobelter. Which seemed pretty serious, so we shall just have to wait and see.
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 01:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On December 17 2012 01:26 onlywonderboy wrote:
On December 17 2012 01:17 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 17 2012 01:13 WhiteDog wrote:
All this discussion doesn't mean a lot when we talk about Diana because she is a) highly picked b) her % win ratio dropped significantly over a night c) no change in her skills might make us believe that she is "not figured out".


Yea, I think she is overnerfed for soloQ purposes. Maybe she will remain viable for competitive play.

I played her last night and it didn't feel so bad. It was weird not being to follow up every one of my Qs with my ult when I wanted to, but her burst and tankiness was still incredibly strong. She might be a little weak as of now, but you can still pick her and not have the worst time (I mean she's not Heimer level status or anything).


Heimer lvl status...

DID MY PROJECT HEIMER PROVE NOTHING TO YOU PEOPLE

Also, what craton said. People were used to doing whatever they wanted and face rolling to victory. Now they actually need to learn to play Diana.

I'm oblivious to this Project Heimer, maybe it was before my time?


It wasn't really an organized or overly advertised thing. Last season I took Heimer into ranked around 1900. I had 100% win rate with him for almost 20 games. It was just to prove to myself and the few people on my team that Heimer isn't useless.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 16 2012 16:47 GMT
#787
On December 17 2012 01:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 01:33 onlywonderboy wrote:
On December 17 2012 01:30 Kouda wrote:
Wait so is it true Wings is goign to dig?

There has been no official statement, all we have to go by is Scarra's convo with Pobelter. Which seemed pretty serious, so we shall just have to wait and see.
On December 17 2012 01:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On December 17 2012 01:26 onlywonderboy wrote:
On December 17 2012 01:17 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 17 2012 01:13 WhiteDog wrote:
All this discussion doesn't mean a lot when we talk about Diana because she is a) highly picked b) her % win ratio dropped significantly over a night c) no change in her skills might make us believe that she is "not figured out".


Yea, I think she is overnerfed for soloQ purposes. Maybe she will remain viable for competitive play.

I played her last night and it didn't feel so bad. It was weird not being to follow up every one of my Qs with my ult when I wanted to, but her burst and tankiness was still incredibly strong. She might be a little weak as of now, but you can still pick her and not have the worst time (I mean she's not Heimer level status or anything).


Heimer lvl status...

DID MY PROJECT HEIMER PROVE NOTHING TO YOU PEOPLE

Also, what craton said. People were used to doing whatever they wanted and face rolling to victory. Now they actually need to learn to play Diana.

I'm oblivious to this Project Heimer, maybe it was before my time?


It wasn't really an organized or overly advertised thing. Last season I took Heimer into ranked around 1900. I had 100% win rate with him for almost 20 games. It was just to prove to myself and the few people on my team that Heimer isn't useless.

Okay, fair enough. I knew he wasn't trash, all I meant was it's probably still easier to carry games with Diana than Heimer.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
December 16 2012 17:03 GMT
#788
*Pukes over that post praising Cris*

+ Show Spoiler +
IT WAS SARCASM RIGHT
Retvrn to Forvms
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 16 2012 17:09 GMT
#789
On December 17 2012 02:03 Chrispy wrote:
*Pukes over that post praising Cris*

+ Show Spoiler +
IT WAS SARCASM RIGHT


no, you should try to have a genuine conversation with him
when i met him i was super wary because of all the negative things people say about him
but he's like hands down the nicest guy i've met in league in a while
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
December 16 2012 17:15 GMT
#790
Meh, all I know is he's an asshole in Solo Q don't really care how nice he is during tea time with Grandma.
Retvrn to Forvms
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
December 16 2012 17:23 GMT
#791
Lots of people are nice irl but turn on the rage mode in solo queue, I feel
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
December 16 2012 17:27 GMT
#792
Meanwhile I am nice on the internet and a mean person in real life. People tend to act odd on the net. Be it the secret reality they wish they could be or just to try out something different is anyone's guess.

-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
December 16 2012 17:38 GMT
#793
Lane Rengar still seems pretty good. The sustain nerf on empowered W is noticable, but it still doesn't change the fact that he gets free resists and healing. He's still a no-mana user and his laning is still flexible. I think his jungle isn't really that good anymore though. The W damage nerfs are reallly noticable in the jungle.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 18:12:27
December 16 2012 18:12 GMT
#794
What do you guys think of a 2d scroller fps moba?

Awesomenauts. I don't think it's been posted on here before and it looks way more appealing to me than smite.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 20:35:44
December 16 2012 18:13 GMT
#795
On December 16 2012 18:46 TheYango wrote:
It's categorically weaker for solo kills. That was the intention. It's also meant to be stronger when your team has secondary sources of magic damage.


I wouldn't say categorically. Even if you're talking about bursting someone down 100-0 it can depend on the champion and their build. If you're a Lich Bane champion it's not difficult to surpass the previous DFG due to the extra magic damage available for amplification. This is, in fact, partly why Gunblade + DFG + Lich Bane is extremely powerful on Akali. Her potential magic damage during DFG's Amplification with that setup is roughly 1250 + 4.0 * AP to 1750 + 5.0 * AP depending on how many times she ults. That's enough to beat even the 30% DFG depending on the tankiness of the target. It is, however, generally true that new DFG is weaker for solo kills.

Ultimately, "it depends" is a phrase we really want hear when discussing items, because it tends to indicate there's depth to itemization decisions and usage.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 16 2012 18:13 GMT
#796
On December 16 2012 19:50 Sufficiency wrote:
I guess it could be real.

[image loading]

What the hell, are you guys dumb? That's the most obvious troll I've seen since gtr saying he met Cris in real life and is "a geniuly a nice person." I'm dissapointed at how hard you guys woosh sometimes.
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MrMercuG
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2389 Posts
December 16 2012 18:21 GMT
#797
Hi Guise, TreeEskimo is a TL'er right?
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
December 16 2012 18:25 GMT
#798
On December 17 2012 03:21 MrMercuG wrote:
Hi Guise, TreeEskimo is a TL'er right?

Well there is someone named TreeEskimo with 5 posts (2 of them in the LoL subforum) claiming to be the real TreeEskimo so technically.. yes.
3.
MrMercuG
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2389 Posts
December 16 2012 18:26 GMT
#799
On December 17 2012 03:25 Inschato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 03:21 MrMercuG wrote:
Hi Guise, TreeEskimo is a TL'er right?

Well there is someone named TreeEskimo with 5 posts (2 of them in the LoL subforum) claiming to be the real TreeEskimo so technically.. yes.


Oh, I thought I've seen his name pop-up somewhere.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
December 16 2012 18:30 GMT
#800
Yeah that was the real TreeEskimo, he doesn't come here anymore/forgot his password though.
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