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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 16 2012 11:07 GMT
#761
Really sad about Westrice. I love Bestrice.

Also lol@Throwbelter leaking dWings
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IceFire
Profile Joined January 2011
United States183 Posts
December 16 2012 11:51 GMT
#762
I am thinking about getting Rengar next but is he still viable after the latest patch? How much worse is he now?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 12:23:29
December 16 2012 12:20 GMT
#763
Dat Diana nerf.

[image loading]

edit: dat Rengar nerf.

[image loading]

On December 16 2012 20:51 IceFire wrote:
I am thinking about getting Rengar next but is he still viable after the latest patch? How much worse is he now?


Win % is not everything, but...
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Irelia
Profile Joined November 2012
19 Posts
December 16 2012 12:32 GMT
#764
Great, they didn't nerf me .
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 16 2012 12:37 GMT
#765
On December 16 2012 21:32 Irelia wrote:
Great, they didn't nerf me .


Oh hi there
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
December 16 2012 15:24 GMT
#766
Yeah, so I just decided to dodge every solo q in which the opposing team picks shaco. In my 1700 adventures, I never had a game that went over 30min against shaco. Is this reasonable--dodging when they pick shaco? I don't play this game that often but I think 5/5 games I've lost because my teams won't play passively. Is this the same for you guys?
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand. Vonnegut
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
December 16 2012 15:28 GMT
#767
On December 16 2012 21:20 Sufficiency wrote:
Dat Diana nerf.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


edit: dat Rengar nerf.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 20:51 IceFire wrote:
I am thinking about getting Rengar next but is he still viable after the latest patch? How much worse is he now?


Win % is not everything, but...

i actually make it a point to ignore win % as much as humanly possible. I don't think there's a single champion in the game atm that you can't consistently win with if you're good enough at it.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 15:30:10
December 16 2012 15:29 GMT
#768
On December 17 2012 00:28 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 21:20 Sufficiency wrote:
Dat Diana nerf.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


edit: dat Rengar nerf.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


On December 16 2012 20:51 IceFire wrote:
I am thinking about getting Rengar next but is he still viable after the latest patch? How much worse is he now?


Win % is not everything, but...

i actually make it a point to ignore win % as much as humanly possible. I don't think there's a single champion in the game atm that you can't consistently win with if you're good enough at it.


I dunno, what do you define as "consistently win with," ?
Remember Violet.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 15:34:08
December 16 2012 15:32 GMT
#769
On December 17 2012 00:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 00:28 barbsq wrote:
On December 16 2012 21:20 Sufficiency wrote:
Dat Diana nerf.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


edit: dat Rengar nerf.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


On December 16 2012 20:51 IceFire wrote:
I am thinking about getting Rengar next but is he still viable after the latest patch? How much worse is he now?


Win % is not everything, but...

i actually make it a point to ignore win % as much as humanly possible. I don't think there's a single champion in the game atm that you can't consistently win with if you're good enough at it.


I dunno, what do you define as "consistently win with," ?

as in if you played 1000 games you would win 500 of them minimum

edit: to me, win% reflects more on 'how easy is this champion to play' than it does anything else.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 16 2012 15:37 GMT
#770
On December 17 2012 00:28 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 21:20 Sufficiency wrote:
Dat Diana nerf.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


edit: dat Rengar nerf.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


On December 16 2012 20:51 IceFire wrote:
I am thinking about getting Rengar next but is he still viable after the latest patch? How much worse is he now?


Win % is not everything, but...

i actually make it a point to ignore win % as much as humanly possible. I don't think there's a single champion in the game atm that you can't consistently win with if you're good enough at it.


True. I can outplay any sub-1200 Elo mid player with AP Karma every game, but that doesn't mean I can win against a similarly skilled player with AP Karma.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 15:42:16
December 16 2012 15:38 GMT
#771
On December 17 2012 00:32 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 00:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On December 17 2012 00:28 barbsq wrote:
On December 16 2012 21:20 Sufficiency wrote:
Dat Diana nerf.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


edit: dat Rengar nerf.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


On December 16 2012 20:51 IceFire wrote:
I am thinking about getting Rengar next but is he still viable after the latest patch? How much worse is he now?


Win % is not everything, but...

i actually make it a point to ignore win % as much as humanly possible. I don't think there's a single champion in the game atm that you can't consistently win with if you're good enough at it.


I dunno, what do you define as "consistently win with," ?

as in if you played 1000 games you would win 500 of them minimum

edit: to me, win% reflects more on 'how easy is this champion to play' than it does anything else.

Explain Rumble consistently being in the top 5 for win% then

Edit: Haha also if you sort to Platinum, suddenly Rammus and Morde are on top: http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=platinum&type=champion-winrate&range=daily (Karma too, but those sample sizes are hilariously small.)

Also Crystalline flask is the 3rd most bought item in Platinum, but isn't even in the top 10 for gold, silver or bronze.
3.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
December 16 2012 15:48 GMT
#772
On December 17 2012 00:38 Inschato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 00:32 barbsq wrote:
On December 17 2012 00:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On December 17 2012 00:28 barbsq wrote:
On December 16 2012 21:20 Sufficiency wrote:
Dat Diana nerf.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


edit: dat Rengar nerf.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


On December 16 2012 20:51 IceFire wrote:
I am thinking about getting Rengar next but is he still viable after the latest patch? How much worse is he now?


Win % is not everything, but...

i actually make it a point to ignore win % as much as humanly possible. I don't think there's a single champion in the game atm that you can't consistently win with if you're good enough at it.


I dunno, what do you define as "consistently win with," ?

as in if you played 1000 games you would win 500 of them minimum

edit: to me, win% reflects more on 'how easy is this champion to play' than it does anything else.

Explain Rumble consistently being in the top 5 for win% then

Edit: Haha also if you sort to Platinum, suddenly Rammus and Morde are on top: http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=platinum&type=champion-winrate&range=daily (Karma too, but those sample sizes are hilariously small.)

Also Crystalline flask is the 3rd most bought item in Platinum, but isn't even in the top 10 for gold, silver or bronze.

ramble isn't terribly difficult to play o.O
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
December 16 2012 15:51 GMT
#773
i played rengar first time today me and scloober made my lane opponent and jungle ragequit enough said.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 15:56:08
December 16 2012 15:53 GMT
#774
On December 17 2012 00:38 Inschato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 00:32 barbsq wrote:
On December 17 2012 00:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On December 17 2012 00:28 barbsq wrote:
On December 16 2012 21:20 Sufficiency wrote:
Dat Diana nerf.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


edit: dat Rengar nerf.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


On December 16 2012 20:51 IceFire wrote:
I am thinking about getting Rengar next but is he still viable after the latest patch? How much worse is he now?


Win % is not everything, but...

i actually make it a point to ignore win % as much as humanly possible. I don't think there's a single champion in the game atm that you can't consistently win with if you're good enough at it.


I dunno, what do you define as "consistently win with," ?

as in if you played 1000 games you would win 500 of them minimum

edit: to me, win% reflects more on 'how easy is this champion to play' than it does anything else.

Explain Rumble consistently being in the top 5 for win% then

Edit: Haha also if you sort to Platinum, suddenly Rammus and Morde are on top: http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=platinum&type=champion-winrate&range=daily (Karma too, but those sample sizes are hilariously small.)


Actually I would be more careful about Rumble win % if I were you. While Rumble seem to have a dominating win ratio at around 55%, he is only picked around 3-4% of the games - which seems to suggest he is somewhat a niche pick.

Imagine there is a new champion called "Anti-Darius". He has only one (passive) ability, which allows him to instantly win the game should there be a Darius on the other team. Otherwise, his team loses the game. What will happen then is that Anti-Darius will only be picked as a counterpick against Darius, giving him 100% win rate. But is Anti-Darius a champion so strong that justifies his 100% win rate? Not really.

I suspect Rumble just happened to be extremely strong against certain picks (e.g. Singed, Teemo, Vladimir, etc.). In general he has a lot of bad match ups that are really difficult to play (e.g. Darius, Jayce). He is probably not as strong as his win ratio suggests.

Diana and Rengar are played in 10% of the games though. Since there are ~100 champions in the game, one may expect if the popularity of champions are exactly the same, each champion should be played ~10% of the game. Furthermore, I think low win ratio tells a lot more than high win ratio.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
WilDMousE
Profile Joined July 2011
Chile1335 Posts
December 16 2012 15:58 GMT
#775
I'm gonna miss you my dear little kitty rengar :'c
Barackopala
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
December 16 2012 16:07 GMT
#776
Just played Diana, lol.
They nerfed her so much, her late is still okay, but her laning and her roaming potential is nullified. Better play something else.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
December 16 2012 16:08 GMT
#777
On December 17 2012 00:53 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 00:38 Inschato wrote:
On December 17 2012 00:32 barbsq wrote:
On December 17 2012 00:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On December 17 2012 00:28 barbsq wrote:
On December 16 2012 21:20 Sufficiency wrote:
Dat Diana nerf.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


edit: dat Rengar nerf.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


On December 16 2012 20:51 IceFire wrote:
I am thinking about getting Rengar next but is he still viable after the latest patch? How much worse is he now?


Win % is not everything, but...

i actually make it a point to ignore win % as much as humanly possible. I don't think there's a single champion in the game atm that you can't consistently win with if you're good enough at it.


I dunno, what do you define as "consistently win with," ?

as in if you played 1000 games you would win 500 of them minimum

edit: to me, win% reflects more on 'how easy is this champion to play' than it does anything else.

Explain Rumble consistently being in the top 5 for win% then

Edit: Haha also if you sort to Platinum, suddenly Rammus and Morde are on top: http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=platinum&type=champion-winrate&range=daily (Karma too, but those sample sizes are hilariously small.)


Actually I would be more careful about Rumble win % if I were you. While Rumble seem to have a dominating win ratio at around 55%, he is only picked around 3-4% of the games - which seems to suggest he is somewhat a niche pick.

Imagine there is a new champion called "Anti-Darius". He has only one (passive) ability, which allows him to instantly win the game should there be a Darius on the other team. Otherwise, his team loses the game. What will happen then is that Anti-Darius will only be picked as a counterpick against Darius, giving him 100% win rate. But is Anti-Darius a champion so strong that justifies his 100% win rate? Not really.

I suspect Rumble just happened to be extremely strong against certain picks (e.g. Singed, Teemo, Vladimir, etc.). In general he has a lot of bad match ups that are really difficult to play (e.g. Darius, Jayce). He is probably not as strong as his win ratio suggests.

Diana and Rengar are played in 10% of the games though. Since there are ~100 champions in the game, one may expect if the popularity of champions are exactly the same, each champion should be played ~10% of the game. Furthermore, I think low win ratio tells a lot more than high win ratio.


In addition, if a champ has a low play ratio, you can sometimes assume that the people playing them are in fact good at playing them. For example, if I see a player pick Karma, I usually assume that that player knows how to play and enjoys playing Karma.
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WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
December 16 2012 16:13 GMT
#778
All this discussion doesn't mean a lot when we talk about Diana because she is a) highly picked b) her % win ratio dropped significantly over a night c) no change in her skills might make us believe that she is "not figured out".
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 16 2012 16:17 GMT
#779
On December 17 2012 01:13 WhiteDog wrote:
All this discussion doesn't mean a lot when we talk about Diana because she is a) highly picked b) her % win ratio dropped significantly over a night c) no change in her skills might make us believe that she is "not figured out".


Yea, I think she is overnerfed for soloQ purposes. Maybe she will remain viable for competitive play.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 16 2012 16:26 GMT
#780
On December 17 2012 01:17 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2012 01:13 WhiteDog wrote:
All this discussion doesn't mean a lot when we talk about Diana because she is a) highly picked b) her % win ratio dropped significantly over a night c) no change in her skills might make us believe that she is "not figured out".


Yea, I think she is overnerfed for soloQ purposes. Maybe she will remain viable for competitive play.

I played her last night and it didn't feel so bad. It was weird not being to follow up every one of my Qs with my ult when I wanted to, but her burst and tankiness was still incredibly strong. She might be a little weak as of now, but you can still pick her and not have the worst time (I mean she's not Heimer level status or anything).
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