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On December 16 2012 20:51 IceFire wrote:
I am thinking about getting Rengar next but is he still viable after the latest patch? How much worse is he now?

On December 16 2012 21:32 Irelia wrote:
Great, they didn't nerf me .

On December 16 2012 21:20 Sufficiency wrote:
Dat Diana nerf.

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edit: dat Rengar nerf.

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Win % is not everything, but...

On December 17 2012 00:28 barbsq wrote:

i actually make it a point to ignore win % as much as humanly possible. I don't think there's a single champion in the game atm that you can't consistently win with if you're good enough at it.

On December 17 2012 00:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:


I dunno, what do you define as "consistently win with," ?

On December 17 2012 00:28 barbsq wrote:

i actually make it a point to ignore win % as much as humanly possible. I don't think there's a single champion in the game atm that you can't consistently win with if you're good enough at it.

On December 17 2012 00:32 barbsq wrote:

as in if you played 1000 games you would win 500 of them minimum

edit: to me, win% reflects more on 'how easy is this champion to play' than it does anything else.

On December 17 2012 00:38 Inschato wrote:

Explain Rumble consistently being in the top 5 for win% then

Edit: Haha also if you sort to Platinum, suddenly Rammus and Morde are on top: http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=platinum&type=champion-winrate&range=daily (Karma too, but those sample sizes are hilariously small.)

Also Crystalline flask is the 3rd most bought item in Platinum, but isn't even in the top 10 for gold, silver or bronze.

On December 17 2012 00:38 Inschato wrote:

Explain Rumble consistently being in the top 5 for win% then

Edit: Haha also if you sort to Platinum, suddenly Rammus and Morde are on top: http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=platinum&type=champion-winrate&range=daily (Karma too, but those sample sizes are hilariously small.)

On December 17 2012 00:53 Sufficiency wrote:


Actually I would be more careful about Rumble win % if I were you. While Rumble seem to have a dominating win ratio at around 55%, he is only picked around 3-4% of the games - which seems to suggest he is somewhat a niche pick.

Imagine there is a new champion called "Anti-Darius". He has only one (passive) ability, which allows him to instantly win the game should there be a Darius on the other team. Otherwise, his team loses the game. What will happen then is that Anti-Darius will only be picked as a counterpick against Darius, giving him 100% win rate. But is Anti-Darius a champion so strong that justifies his 100% win rate? Not really.

I suspect Rumble just happened to be extremely strong against certain picks (e.g. Singed, Teemo, Vladimir, etc.). In general he has a lot of bad match ups that are really difficult to play (e.g. Darius, Jayce). He is probably not as strong as his win ratio suggests.

Diana and Rengar are played in 10% of the games though. Since there are ~100 champions in the game, one may expect if the popularity of champions are exactly the same, each champion should be played ~10% of the game. Furthermore, I think low win ratio tells a lot more than high win ratio.

On December 17 2012 01:13 WhiteDog wrote:
All this discussion doesn't mean a lot when we talk about Diana because she is a) highly picked b) her % win ratio dropped significantly over a night c) no change in her skills might make us believe that she is "not figured out".

On December 17 2012 01:17 Sufficiency wrote:


Yea, I think she is overnerfed for soloQ purposes. Maybe she will remain viable for competitive play.