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necrosed
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil885 Posts
January 10 2013 12:53 GMT
#7541
I find that Swain mid is really good against this meta of AD casters.
Shadow of his former self.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
January 10 2013 13:07 GMT
#7542
On January 10 2013 21:10 Vallelol wrote:
For all the people who have trouble against AD mids (Talon/Pantheon etc.), you should try to play Maokai Mid with Magicpen reds, Armor yellows, ap/lvl blues and flat ap quints with 21/9/0 or 21/5/4 Masteries.
First saw it on Chu8's Stream and it works good against almost everything (I didn't lose a lane with it yet).
- Just max E and Q after (possible to take 2 in E and max Q first).
- Start with Flask + 3 HPpots + 2 Manapots + Ward
- Get RoA asap, following with sorcboots and Frozen Fist thingy
Its also possible to go RoA, Sorcboots, Abyssal or DFG. Depends on enemy teamcomp

I really recommend trying this build, the burst is insane, I played almost any AP Champion in the game and Maokai is probably one of the champs with the highest Damage+Utility. His Passive heals so much against spammers like Pantheon, Khazix etc.

Edit: Also don't tell anyone else, don't want it to get nerfed


I knew Maokai Mid was viable, but everyone called me a troll for trying it
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
January 10 2013 13:11 GMT
#7543
On January 10 2013 20:56 Lylat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 20:51 OutlaW- wrote:
On January 10 2013 20:48 Lylat wrote:
On January 10 2013 20:43 red_ wrote:
On January 10 2013 20:15 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On January 10 2013 18:28 LaNague wrote:
I find this so funny:

always after a tournament TSM and specifically dyrus is like "Now we train hard and win next time!!!!1"

and for weeks whenever i open twitch i see "dyrus with his dad" "dyrus low level smuf" "dyrus relaxing".....

He's on vacation here in Hawaii.

Fuck you, he's 20 years old and if you're going to criticize him for taking his first vacation since he went pro then eat a dick.

P.S. I'm having dinner with him and some friends tomorrow

[edit] Seriously, Dyrus is one of the nicest and down to earth people I have ever met and I really fucking hate it when people stop treating him like a real person. HE'S A 20 YEAR OLD GUY FROM HAWAII. Stop holding him up to some golden standard, he doesn't owe you anything. [/edit]


He's a 20 year old who in some form chose to become an official 'pro' in a game with a pro circuit, which comes with some expectation of results and whatnot. Him being nice and down to earth have nothing to do with the above comment. If an employee was showing poor results in the workplace and promised you he would do everything he could to address the recent dip in performance, you sure the fuck would question why he then put in for 3 weeks of vacation, took extra lunches, and socialized more than ever around the office.

It's not a golden standard, it's just 'standard.'

So the dude has no right to go on a vacation ? What the fuck am I reading

He does, but you need to realize that e-sports is competitive, and any time you're not spending getting better, somebody, somewhere is, and one day he will be better than you.
The same goes for normal sports, but they have vacations because their bodies get exhausted and they NEED that vacation. The only thing that gets exhausted while playing league is your mind, so ''stronger'' people will practice more and become better. The fact that ''talent'' pretty much doesn't exist also makes working and practicing that much more important.

Hum, except for koreans I don't think there are a lot of people who practice 24h/24h without getting exhausted. Maybe he was exhausted mentally that's why he performed badly and sometimes stepping back allow you to come back stronger.
P.S : I'm not a fan of the guy, I don't especially like him but the intolerance/hate is too strong. CLG.eu is performing badly as well but I don't see anyone blaming Froggen for going on a vacation.

I really dislike the stereotype that koreans practice 24/7 all the time. I think it was on state of the game, where Artosis said, that no matter what, whenever you ask a Korean pro, he will always say that he is practicing 24/7, but in reality they also slack, goof off or sometimes do other things. They just won't admit it publicly.
No question that the Koreans overall train harder than western pros but everybody needs breaks... even korean pros.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 13:30:51
January 10 2013 13:30 GMT
#7544
edit : wrong thread
Eishi_Ki
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1667 Posts
January 10 2013 13:45 GMT
#7545
So what's the story with Lantyr? I love watching him but know next to nothing about him
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
January 10 2013 13:48 GMT
#7546
On January 10 2013 21:28 Djin)ftw( wrote:
last ranked...
[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +
xD


Avarice blade Irelia too strong

Needed moar armor. Like 3 cloth armors would have done the trick prob.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 13:49:54
January 10 2013 13:49 GMT
#7547
On January 10 2013 21:28 Djin)ftw( wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
last ranked...
[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +
xD


You're looking for this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305322 =D + Show Spoiler +
But well done.


Apropos of nothing, I wish I could have a three week vacation in Hawaii and then play pro-LoL. "Real jobs" suck.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
January 10 2013 14:01 GMT
#7548
On January 10 2013 22:11 BlueSpace wrote:
I really dislike the stereotype that koreans practice 24/7 all the time. I think it was on state of the game, where Artosis said, that no matter what, whenever you ask a Korean pro, he will always say that he is practicing 24/7, but in reality they also slack, goof off or sometimes do other things. They just won't admit it publicly.


Stork says hi.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
January 10 2013 14:31 GMT
#7549
Can GSG kick out LG-IM in the NLB Winter league?!

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nicegametvhd watch here and find out!
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
January 10 2013 14:35 GMT
#7550
On January 10 2013 23:31 Chexx wrote:
Can GSG kick out LG-IM in the NLB Winter league?!

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nicegametvhd watch here and find out!

That stream is so laggy for me..
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
January 10 2013 14:58 GMT
#7551
Ew, Ustream. I thought everyone already switched to Twitch/Own3d.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 15:21:01
January 10 2013 15:20 GMT
#7552
yellowpete vs wickd both adc on solo queue xD
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 10 2013 15:33 GMT
#7553
Are we allowed to make fanclubs in LoL forums?

Just curious :3
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
January 10 2013 15:37 GMT
#7554
If it's a fanclub for me, I'll allow it.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
January 10 2013 15:46 GMT
#7555
On January 11 2013 00:20 misirlou wrote:
yellowpete vs wickd both adc on solo queue xD


Lolz. Wickd getting rocked.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 10 2013 15:49 GMT
#7556
On January 10 2013 21:53 necrosed wrote:
I find that Swain mid is really good against this meta of AD casters.

I use one of my "top" pages, AD/armor/MR/armor, take E at level 1 then proceed to right-click them to death while kiting.
When they start long sword+2 expecting a kill at level 2-3 they tend to back pretty quickly.

(Then I fail at last-hitting while they have AoE clearing spells so it doesn't matter.)

On January 10 2013 21:10 Vallelol wrote:
For all the people who have trouble against AD mids (Talon/Pantheon etc.), you should try to play Maokai Mid with Magicpen reds, Armor yellows, ap/lvl blues and flat ap quints with 21/9/0 or 21/5/4 Masteries.
First saw it on Chu8's Stream and it works good against almost everything (I didn't lose a lane with it yet).
- Just max E and Q after (possible to take 2 in E and max Q first).
- Start with Flask + 3 HPpots + 2 Manapots + Ward
- Get RoA asap, following with sorcboots and Frozen Fist thingy
Its also possible to go RoA, Sorcboots, Abyssal or DFG. Depends on enemy teamcomp

I really recommend trying this build, the burst is insane, I played almost any AP Champion in the game and Maokai is probably one of the champs with the highest Damage+Utility. His Passive heals so much against spammers like Pantheon, Khazix etc.

Edit: Also don't tell anyone else, don't want it to get nerfed

Maokai real stronk lane and clearing, also gank assist (he really lacks burst until you put several points in W tho, because they'll evade the sapling bigger part), but when it comes to shitting on squishies he's weaker than most because of his range, and inherent "squishiness" if you build him AP (gauntlet is about as hilarious as having the gold to buy triforce on jungle Mao tho, top-notch base AD is fun).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
January 10 2013 15:55 GMT
#7557
On January 11 2013 00:49 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 21:53 necrosed wrote:
I find that Swain mid is really good against this meta of AD casters.

I use one of my "top" pages, AD/armor/MR/armor, take E at level 1 then proceed to right-click them to death while kiting.
When they start long sword+2 expecting a kill at level 2-3 they tend to back pretty quickly.

(Then I fail at last-hitting while they have AoE clearing spells so it doesn't matter.)



What masteries you run?
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zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
January 10 2013 16:08 GMT
#7558
On January 10 2013 22:11 BlueSpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 20:56 Lylat wrote:
On January 10 2013 20:51 OutlaW- wrote:
On January 10 2013 20:48 Lylat wrote:
On January 10 2013 20:43 red_ wrote:
On January 10 2013 20:15 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On January 10 2013 18:28 LaNague wrote:
I find this so funny:

always after a tournament TSM and specifically dyrus is like "Now we train hard and win next time!!!!1"

and for weeks whenever i open twitch i see "dyrus with his dad" "dyrus low level smuf" "dyrus relaxing".....

He's on vacation here in Hawaii.

Fuck you, he's 20 years old and if you're going to criticize him for taking his first vacation since he went pro then eat a dick.

P.S. I'm having dinner with him and some friends tomorrow

[edit] Seriously, Dyrus is one of the nicest and down to earth people I have ever met and I really fucking hate it when people stop treating him like a real person. HE'S A 20 YEAR OLD GUY FROM HAWAII. Stop holding him up to some golden standard, he doesn't owe you anything. [/edit]


He's a 20 year old who in some form chose to become an official 'pro' in a game with a pro circuit, which comes with some expectation of results and whatnot. Him being nice and down to earth have nothing to do with the above comment. If an employee was showing poor results in the workplace and promised you he would do everything he could to address the recent dip in performance, you sure the fuck would question why he then put in for 3 weeks of vacation, took extra lunches, and socialized more than ever around the office.

It's not a golden standard, it's just 'standard.'

So the dude has no right to go on a vacation ? What the fuck am I reading

He does, but you need to realize that e-sports is competitive, and any time you're not spending getting better, somebody, somewhere is, and one day he will be better than you.
The same goes for normal sports, but they have vacations because their bodies get exhausted and they NEED that vacation. The only thing that gets exhausted while playing league is your mind, so ''stronger'' people will practice more and become better. The fact that ''talent'' pretty much doesn't exist also makes working and practicing that much more important.

Hum, except for koreans I don't think there are a lot of people who practice 24h/24h without getting exhausted. Maybe he was exhausted mentally that's why he performed badly and sometimes stepping back allow you to come back stronger.
P.S : I'm not a fan of the guy, I don't especially like him but the intolerance/hate is too strong. CLG.eu is performing badly as well but I don't see anyone blaming Froggen for going on a vacation.

I really dislike the stereotype that koreans practice 24/7 all the time. I think it was on state of the game, where Artosis said, that no matter what, whenever you ask a Korean pro, he will always say that he is practicing 24/7, but in reality they also slack, goof off or sometimes do other things. They just won't admit it publicly.
No question that the Koreans overall train harder than western pros but everybody needs breaks... even korean pros.


The reason they say that is that in Korea, you are expected to be tryhard (the whole asian dad meme and asian prodigy kids, i'm sure you know what i'm talking about). In western society, it much more accepted to be good at something because you're just talented. If you can be best in the world at something, without even trying your best, that's somewhat of an achievement in itself.

You also have people like Stephano, who's always talking about how little he practices, which could be a way to lower people's expectations and thus lowering the pressure he feels.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 16:27:52
January 10 2013 16:27 GMT
#7559
On January 10 2013 17:02 TheYango wrote:
I do think the sieging ability of a ranged carry is a significant factor.

At this point, the game doesn't really have a safe alternative to that for pushing high ground towers (split-pushing base towers is inherently slow, risky, and not what I'd call safe). This is especially the case insofar as LoL, unlike DotA, does not have casters that can siege towers well, nor does it have many sieging items that help a team's creep wave push the high ground (though the potential of Banner in this type of situation is worth exploring), or allow a melee to siege like a ranged carry does (Manta Style).

There is a LOT of merit in the fact that a ranged carry allows you to safely end a game without having to resort to diving or exposing yourself to 4v5s.


I would agree it's a significant factor, but I think there are a number of champions who can work around that issue without needing to be or build like an AD carry.

Jayce, Nidalee, Elise, and Kayle are four who stand out. All four can be played in various lanes/roles depending on the needs of your team composition, and all four can have the damage and range to siege turrets without having to build like an AD carry. They may not fit into every team composition, but they can fulfill the same sieging role.

There are also plenty of AP champions who have the attack range to do some sieging. Anivia, Annie, Ziggs, Zilean, and Zyra all have attack ranges of 575 or more, and have plenty to bring to a siege, to a teamfight, or both. Another 10 AP champions (excluding Elise) have 550 range. With either Lich Bane or simply lots of AP they can still poke down towers. They may not be as good at taking towers as AD carries, but you will still be able to whittle down a tower without committing to a dive.

This is all really just the tip of the iceberg, as team composition theory is a complicated and labyrinthine subject. However, I think it's fairly clear that there are ways around having an AD carry which don't involve split-pushing, diving, or taking every single baron/dragon while the enemy team sits in their trenches.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 10 2013 16:34 GMT
#7560
On January 11 2013 00:37 OutlaW- wrote:
If it's a fanclub for me, I'll allow it.

Good to know you're flexible
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
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