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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 10 2013 18:23 GMT
#7581
Also Viktor secret OP too.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
January 10 2013 18:25 GMT
#7582
Not really a secret to anyone who comments here!
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 18:40:24
January 10 2013 18:37 GMT
#7583
Doesnt Viktor fall off in the late game?
Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
January 10 2013 18:39 GMT
#7584
Yes Vicktor does, but Viktor doesn't.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
January 10 2013 18:45 GMT
#7585
He falls off SLIGHTLY before other mages, but his utility with W and damage is still good for quite a while. His augment just gives so much AP for so little cost.
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StateAlchemist
Profile Joined January 2011
France1946 Posts
January 10 2013 18:46 GMT
#7586
His poke is godlike, if you can aim properly. :D
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 10 2013 18:48 GMT
#7587
On January 10 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote:
What are people 's thoughts on the S3 qualifiers? Curse got easy group imo. Feel bad for Epik gamer, they might get 2nd just in group, but Ggu, gunna give them a run for their money.

Curse should win, but I don't think the rest of group A is as weak as you make them out to be, at least they have some experience playing against pro teams (Pulse played in several SoloMid Series tournaments and Brunch Club is made of players from several b-tier Season 2 teams). I think the weakest group is C, a lot of unproven teams, and I'm not even impressed with MP after they lost Polbelter and Light Sludge. Group B lucks out the most since they only have to play Group C teams in the first part of the bracket stage, whoever takes 1/2 in Group B are almost guaranteed to qualify for LCS imo.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 18:52:42
January 10 2013 18:52 GMT
#7588
His augment isn't as good as other 6th item materials, and lacks utility if you went death (which you should, barring discovery of a potent new build relying on other augments; I don't think it'll happen in this meta because Death fulfills what's currently expected of mages way better). Also deathcap nerf means his power compared to other mages with his augment+deathcap core isn't as good as in s2.
He still has 1100 range linear instaclear, excellent zoning during teamfights with W (it stays for between 4.25 and 5s, with 13s base cd at level max, so you can easily use it twice a fight with some cdr, also stop non-gap closing initiations), some kind of tankiness through his Q (shield is calculated on raw damage, so it doesn't matter if your target has 200 MR), and a powerful zoning tool via his ult too in the midgame (less so once people get more tanky through levels and itemization).

The most annoying part of his slot management is finding space for wards amongst all those components really.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 10 2013 18:52 GMT
#7589
On January 11 2013 03:48 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote:
What are people 's thoughts on the S3 qualifiers? Curse got easy group imo. Feel bad for Epik gamer, they might get 2nd just in group, but Ggu, gunna give them a run for their money.

Curse should win, but I don't think the rest of group A is as weak as you make them out to be, at least they have some experience playing against pro teams (Pulse played in several SoloMid Series tournaments and Brunch Club is made of players from several b-tier Season 2 teams). I think the weakest group is C, a lot of unproven teams, and I'm not even impressed with MP after they lost Polbelter and Light Sludge. Group B lucks out the most since they only have to play Group C teams in the first part of the bracket stage, whoever takes 1/2 in Group B are almost guaranteed to qualify for LCS imo.


You noobs. There's a friggin' S3 Qualifier thread where Roffles and I back and forth'd about the groups yesterday. Don't be lazy.
Looking at you wei.
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Argoth.
Profile Joined December 2004
Germany1961 Posts
January 10 2013 18:56 GMT
#7590
On January 11 2013 03:46 StateAlchemist wrote:
His poke is godlike, if you can aim properly. :D

Yeah it hurts so much good jesus, the horror when you play against a good Viktor....
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 19:11:01
January 10 2013 19:10 GMT
#7591
I'm watchin some OGN VODs with Korean commentary for like the first time, and I'm wondering why they refer to players by their in game names instead of their real names. In BW, Bisu was never referenced as Bisu, but rather KTY. Why the sudden change when League rolls around? Is this to possibly make it easier to follow for foreigner audiences?
God Bless
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
January 10 2013 19:12 GMT
#7592
Off topic, but reminder that Raelcun is speedrunning sc2 now on AGDQ
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 19:25:10
January 10 2013 19:14 GMT
#7593
On January 11 2013 04:10 Roffles wrote:
I'm watchin some OGN VODs with Korean commentary for like the first time, and I'm wondering why they refer to players by their in game names instead of their real names. In BW, Bisu was never referenced as Bisu, but rather KTY. Why the sudden change when League rolls around? Is this to possibly make it easier to follow for foreigner audiences?


So they can say "DOUBLELIFTTUUUUUU"

On January 11 2013 04:12 OutlaW- wrote:
Off topic, but reminder that Raelcun is speedrunning sc2 now on AGDQ


Still off topic, but this is highly amusing for almost no reason.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
January 10 2013 19:17 GMT
#7594
Thanks for the notice Outlaw.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
January 10 2013 19:19 GMT
#7595
On January 11 2013 04:10 Roffles wrote:
I'm watchin some OGN VODs with Korean commentary for like the first time, and I'm wondering why they refer to players by their in game names instead of their real names. In BW, Bisu was never referenced as Bisu, but rather KTY. Why the sudden change when League rolls around? Is this to possibly make it easier to follow for foreigner audiences?


maybe it's harder to remember 10names. Also in a 5v5 teamfight if you wanna call a certain champs action it's probably easier to just say the ign because otherwise it would take even longer to play-by-play it^^. Even the western casters have problems to play by play everything unless you're deman, so since you have to speak alot more in korean to convey the same things, it would be even longer I imagine. Unlike in BW/Sc II where it's only 1v1
rhs408
Profile Joined January 2011
United States904 Posts
January 10 2013 19:29 GMT
#7596
On January 11 2013 04:10 Roffles wrote:
I'm watchin some OGN VODs with Korean commentary for like the first time, and I'm wondering why they refer to players by their in game names instead of their real names. In BW, Bisu was never referenced as Bisu, but rather KTY. Why the sudden change when League rolls around? Is this to possibly make it easier to follow for foreigner audiences?

This reminds me, last night during the Korean commentary of NPL they kept referring to Lux's ult as "DEMACIA!!!", or at least whenever she used her ult they would yell DEMACIA!!! was freakin hilarious
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 19:34:08
January 10 2013 19:29 GMT
#7597
On January 11 2013 02:27 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 02:22 Ketara wrote:
But why is 9/0/21 so good?

It's easy for me to understand if you need the GP10 mastery points, which seems to me to be what the entire support tree revolves around.

The 6% CDR makes little sense to me on mids who should be given blue buffs, meaning that that extra 6% will often be taking them over the cap. Makes more sense I suppose on mids with no mana.

Really I feel like all you're getting from utility is the movespeed and the 3% spell vamp.

The only offense mastery that looks like a waste to me really is mental force.

Sometimes it's better to have utility and secondary stats than straight damage. You should know well, Mr. "I don't build damage items until 20 minutes into the game".

In fact, I'd wager that 9/0/21 would fit better with your playstyle if you're just going to sit on Chalice/Sightstone for a long time.


While I don't disagree that 9/0/21 is better for some people's playstyles, I just have never seen the point of going 9/0/21 since they sent the AP to the offense tree. I go 21/0/9 and get my max mana, mana regen, and buff duration. I get all the AP in offense plus extra damage to minions and the ignite buff that gives me 5 more 5 ap and AD while ignite is on CD.

Then again I am looking to kill the enemy mid before 6. Having 34 starting AP on a 1.0 AP scaling champ like Anivia really helps me to blow up the enemy mid. And it allows me to focus on building mana and mana regen while still being able to do damage until I complete RoA. I like playing the style that if you make a mistake or try to trade with me mid, then I get to blow you up.
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 10 2013 19:34 GMT
#7598
On January 11 2013 03:52 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 03:48 onlywonderboy wrote:
On January 10 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote:
What are people 's thoughts on the S3 qualifiers? Curse got easy group imo. Feel bad for Epik gamer, they might get 2nd just in group, but Ggu, gunna give them a run for their money.

Curse should win, but I don't think the rest of group A is as weak as you make them out to be, at least they have some experience playing against pro teams (Pulse played in several SoloMid Series tournaments and Brunch Club is made of players from several b-tier Season 2 teams). I think the weakest group is C, a lot of unproven teams, and I'm not even impressed with MP after they lost Polbelter and Light Sludge. Group B lucks out the most since they only have to play Group C teams in the first part of the bracket stage, whoever takes 1/2 in Group B are almost guaranteed to qualify for LCS imo.


You noobs. There's a friggin' S3 Qualifier thread where Roffles and I back and forth'd about the groups yesterday. Don't be lazy.
Looking at you wei.

Derp, forget that doubled for the live qualifier as well as the online one. I guess I'll go discuss my opinions in the appropriate venue, Neo so needy.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
January 10 2013 19:36 GMT
#7599
On January 11 2013 04:10 Roffles wrote:
I'm watchin some OGN VODs with Korean commentary for like the first time, and I'm wondering why they refer to players by their in game names instead of their real names. In BW, Bisu was never referenced as Bisu, but rather KTY. Why the sudden change when League rolls around? Is this to possibly make it easier to follow for foreigner audiences?


Grepulge?

I'd think it's because 1) Non-korean names can sound ridiculous when trying to put them in Korean especially without proper knowledge of pronunciation and 2) people already know the foreigners as "Hotshogg, doublelift" etc.

Since Maknoon and whatever his Korean name sounds both good enough in Korean, they just use in-game tags for everyone.
Stuck.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 10 2013 19:39 GMT
#7600
On January 11 2013 03:52 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 03:48 onlywonderboy wrote:
On January 10 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote:
What are people 's thoughts on the S3 qualifiers? Curse got easy group imo. Feel bad for Epik gamer, they might get 2nd just in group, but Ggu, gunna give them a run for their money.

Curse should win, but I don't think the rest of group A is as weak as you make them out to be, at least they have some experience playing against pro teams (Pulse played in several SoloMid Series tournaments and Brunch Club is made of players from several b-tier Season 2 teams). I think the weakest group is C, a lot of unproven teams, and I'm not even impressed with MP after they lost Polbelter and Light Sludge. Group B lucks out the most since they only have to play Group C teams in the first part of the bracket stage, whoever takes 1/2 in Group B are almost guaranteed to qualify for LCS imo.


You noobs. There's a friggin' S3 Qualifier thread where Roffles and I back and forth'd about the groups yesterday. Don't be lazy.
Looking at you wei.

Ah, ma bad. some tournies get their own thread, some don't , easily get confuzzled don't ult me!
liftlift > tsm
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