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On January 07 2013 20:42 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 20:02 bmn wrote:On January 07 2013 18:28 mr_tolkien wrote:On January 07 2013 18:22 WhiteDog wrote:
This forum is either full of hypocrite or full of pure and fresh young souls because aside from two or three guys I know on the game, everybody is a douchebag at one point in this game. The only thing that save me is that I whine on skype so Riot don t know it. I can't tell if Roffles is serious. I don't flame my team or team-mates out of nowhere. I didn't blame 0/11/1 Cho in the game I was reported. I don't go out of my way to blame people when they try their best and aren't whiny bitches. I've been the first one to always advocate that you have to look at your own play to improve, and that even won games can be full of mistakes. And that the game is not about the team you get, but about the plays you make. LoL is full of judgmental people who like to think higher of themselves and feel a need to "educate" a community which in fact shares the same values... But who just had different games. I never said I was a saint. I just said this is pure bulshit to ban a player based on such acts. If they do this, they might as well ban the full server. EDIT and PS : On January 07 2013 18:22 Roffles wrote:On January 07 2013 18:18 mr_tolkien wrote:On January 07 2013 18:01 Redox wrote:On January 07 2013 16:22 mr_tolkien wrote:OK, I got banned again, for one week, and I call bullshit : http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribunal/en/case/625138/#nogoIn the first game, we were 4v5, the opposing team had an early DC, and indeed, I wanted us to surrender out of politeness, because they were blatantly out playing us. The score was widely in their favor and we ALL failed in my team, so I felt winning it was totally unfair and just asked my team if we could surrender. I didn't feed, neither did I troll. I guess not being a complete douchebag is a bannable offense now... You wanted to surrender because you were mad at your team. You were a complete douchebag. You will get banned again because you dont even understand why you got banned. I wasn't mad at my team, I just felt like the 4 other players played leaps and bounds better and were denied a deserved victory. I was even streaming during that game ffs, you can watch it, they played very well, I wasn't mad at anybody, and I would have preferred a lose than an undeserved win. But yeah I guess that makes me a "complete douchebag". Please stop looking for excuses and just admit that you're a douchebag. So for you being a good sport is being a douchebag ? Sorry that I actually want to play quality games and have deserved wins... In the game, only ONE guy reported me (way more would have if I was trolling ig) and the whole game ambiance was very friendly. Trying to demoralize your team into surrendering just because you feel that the other team "deserves" a win is NOT being a good sport. It's being a bad sport. Sure, saying "gg, too bad about the disconnect, you were playing better" is being a good sport. Acting the way you did in game 1 is not. There's nothing wrong with asking for a surrender. Hell, call a vote every two minutes if you want. But if they vote no, that's how it is, and you have no authority -- moral or otherwise -- that would justify spouting things like > I'm with 4 butthurt guys who won't surrender or > wb, we tried hard to throw ! the entire time. Going by the chat, you weren't trying to win. That isn't "being a good sport". Perhaps you wanted to lose ELO, but it's not fine to try throwing -- and your teammates clearly didn't feel the way you did. Your obligation lies with your team, not your arbitrary sense of who "deserves" the win. I'd say that it's also ridiculous to argue that they "deserved" the win after the DC (otherwise I'd just disconnect as soon as our team is ahead!), but that's entirely irrelevant to whether your behavior was acceptable or not. If they're better they'll gain back the ELO; either way, it's not your job to assign ELO to opponents as you see fit at the cost of your teammates. Imagine if everyone acted like that if they felt like they were outplayed. Finally, yeah, everyone has bad games occasionally. Nobody's perfect, everyone has more or less whiny games. But you don't get sent to the Tribunal for one bad game or just a handful of reports. If this happens so often that you've been banned repeatedly (and it isn't the same handful of people reporting you every time), clearly your behavior is inappropriate. I would have report you for this post in the game because it s way too condescending to my liking. Tribunal logic yo ! Seriously since when the fuck saying "we tried hard to throw" is worth a ban ? Did he actually fed on purpose ? Did he goes afk ? Also, you are supposed to judge the cases given and the fact that the guy present in the tribunal has other reports should not be used as an argument because it is not an information you have as a judge. But riot still repetedly justify bad ban with cases that are not visible for the jury so well... Fail logic. And the worst is people enjoy when riotlyte or whatever his name is does that. I don't understand how people don't understand how the tribunal is flawed, ethically corrupt. I suppose people like the ego boost they get from judging others.
What does your first sentence even mean?
This isn't LoL game chat. What makes you think I would adopt the same tone in a completely different environment? TL forum rules govern TL forums, I don't understand why you're trying to impose the summoner's code here.
I never said that "we tried hard to throw" is worth a ban. I cited it as one example of his repetitive in-game bickering about his own team. If all he had said was "we tried to throw" and nothing else, I'd certainly give it a pass. I explained my thoughts, I suggest you re-read the post -- I never claimed he actually threw, went afk, or fed.
I judged entirely based on the games given there. His past behavior influences the penalty handed out by Riot, not the verdict I gave, and I was using his history of being banned as a strong indicator that he had ample time to rethink what other people consider acceptable and what they don't.
If you think the tribunal is "ethically corrupt", I suggest you put that into a separate post, it's not clear how it has anything to do with the previous paragraphs...
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In this case I think mr_tolkien was the victim of doing something unusual games 1 and 4 and the tribunal voted punish as a result, either from misinterpretation of game 1 or from outright vehement hostility towards the idea of surrendering to the better team. Tolkien could have phrased some things slightly more positively or possibly dropped the matter after his team disagreed with him but I don't see how what he said was bannable given there's zero evidence of intentionally feeding or throwing the game.
Monte notwithstanding jungle Akali isn't common so of course people will report you for that when someone screws up.
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Theres always the issue of playing uncommon champions or champions in lanes that arent normal. If you lose with jungle akali you obviously need a report, if you win with jungle akali you are obviously a genius and you must get all the honor.
It's totally up to who is reporting tbh. Personally I dont mind someone trying something and see how it works, but I'm sure there are alot of people who cant wait to dodge when someone locks in jugle ashe or supportviktor.
Dont see tolkien did much wrong here, he got agitated and he actually kept calmer than I would. I've never been banned and I'm alot more verbally abusive and 'angry' in games than he is. Just unlucky for tolkien imo :/
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My issue with the tribunal is that it doesn't give all the evidence to the players judging (or even to the banned player in the report card), but if you ask Riot to review a case where you feel you got unjustly banned, they WILL look at evidence that the tribunal didn't provide. I've seen bans where the report card presented looked completely clean (and only had 2 games in it, giving the illusion that this guy was reported less often than others), then Lyte posts that he was reported in 40 other games and he was a dick in those games - and upholds the ban.
This sets off all sorts of "that's not even close to due process" alarms for me.
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On January 07 2013 21:17 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
hey, you might say ive been living under a rock but is dota 2 still in closed beta? Cuz i just logged into steam today after quite a while and i have a few dota 2 gifts in my inventory so if it still closed beta, if anyone doesnt have one i can gift them. thanks
You're not living under a rock, vavle is just doing a terrible job advertising that game. I spend hours on gaming forums and I have no idea if the game is released or when it will be released. Not sure how Valve expects casuals to know about the game.
So is the game still in beta? Are there like different phases?
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From what I understand the main reason Dota2 is still in 'beta' is because valve is not comfortable enough in their server infrastructure to open it up fully yet. The game itself is pretty much in a release ready state.
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On January 07 2013 22:58 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 21:17 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
hey, you might say ive been living under a rock but is dota 2 still in closed beta? Cuz i just logged into steam today after quite a while and i have a few dota 2 gifts in my inventory so if it still closed beta, if anyone doesnt have one i can gift them. thanks You're not living under a rock, vavle is just doing a terrible job advertising that game. I spend hours on gaming forums and I have no idea if the game is released or when it will be released. Not sure how Valve expects casuals to know about the game. So is the game still in beta? Are there like different phases?
Valve doesn't consider it to be in Beta.
Q: Why would I spend money while Dota 2 is still in Beta?
A: We don't really think of Dota 2 as a beta, but we also aren't ready for everyone to show up and start playing just yet. We are constantly updating the game with new heroes, bug fixes, and new features. None of the items you purchase or the progress you make will be lost or reset once the game is available for everyone.
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On January 07 2013 23:03 nojitosunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 22:58 HazMat wrote:On January 07 2013 21:17 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
hey, you might say ive been living under a rock but is dota 2 still in closed beta? Cuz i just logged into steam today after quite a while and i have a few dota 2 gifts in my inventory so if it still closed beta, if anyone doesnt have one i can gift them. thanks You're not living under a rock, vavle is just doing a terrible job advertising that game. I spend hours on gaming forums and I have no idea if the game is released or when it will be released. Not sure how Valve expects casuals to know about the game. So is the game still in beta? Are there like different phases? Valve doesn't consider it to be in Beta. Show nested quote +Q: Why would I spend money while Dota 2 is still in Beta?
A: We don't really think of Dota 2 as a beta, but we also aren't ready for everyone to show up and start playing just yet. We are constantly updating the game with new heroes, bug fixes, and new features. None of the items you purchase or the progress you make will be lost or reset once the game is available for everyone.
They just expanded on Valve time. Luckily they are great at QA testing so if it eventually comes out it'll be universes ahead of LoL and it's Adobe Air client and all the bugs connected to it and the game.
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On January 07 2013 23:10 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 23:03 nojitosunrise wrote:On January 07 2013 22:58 HazMat wrote:On January 07 2013 21:17 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
hey, you might say ive been living under a rock but is dota 2 still in closed beta? Cuz i just logged into steam today after quite a while and i have a few dota 2 gifts in my inventory so if it still closed beta, if anyone doesnt have one i can gift them. thanks You're not living under a rock, vavle is just doing a terrible job advertising that game. I spend hours on gaming forums and I have no idea if the game is released or when it will be released. Not sure how Valve expects casuals to know about the game. So is the game still in beta? Are there like different phases? Valve doesn't consider it to be in Beta. Q: Why would I spend money while Dota 2 is still in Beta?
A: We don't really think of Dota 2 as a beta, but we also aren't ready for everyone to show up and start playing just yet. We are constantly updating the game with new heroes, bug fixes, and new features. None of the items you purchase or the progress you make will be lost or reset once the game is available for everyone. They just expanded on Valve time. Luckily they are great at QA testing so if it eventually comes out it'll be universes ahead of LoL and it's Adobe Air client and all the bugs connected to it and the game.
I would argue that the Dota2 client was already quite far ahead when I last played the game months ago
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Bahamas15899 Posts
Still wonder why Riot doesnt implement replay ? Or did they ?
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During my sc2 phase in 2011 and when I didn't give a fuck about either Dota 2 or LoL I thought "The International I" was the launchevent for the game itself xD.
Still has to be one of the longest BETAs ever though and I'd argue 80% of the people who are interested in it already have a key to play. Does the current DOTA2 actually sometimes have Serverissues like LoL?
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On January 07 2013 23:21 Erasme wrote:
Still wonder why Riot doesnt implement replay ? Or did they ?
Apparently there's a survey popping up sometimes asking people if they'd get a replay of the game they just had if they could. So people are guessing the stuff is ready but Riot kinda wants to have an idea of the stress launching the feature will trigger.
Also been playing (well, trying... 3 PM and there are dodges everywhere @_@) to play some ranked before school finishes, 1.1k Elo still bans Rammus and Morg, it's pretty fun to compare the bans there and in draft normals where I'm closer to 1500.
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Bahamas15899 Posts
On January 07 2013 23:21 AsnSensation wrote:
During my sc2 phase in 2011 and when I didn't give a fuck about either Dota 2 or LoL I thought "The International I" was the launchevent for the game itself xD.
Still has to be one of the longest BETAs ever though and I'd argue 80% of the people who are interested in it already have a key to play. Does the current DOTA2 actually sometimes have Serverissues like LoL?
Yeah sometimes, was very noticable during the winter event where like 1/5 games were instant dc ahaha
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On the pentakill discussion, some Kassadin got pissed at me for avoiding a pentakill in an ARAM when I was Rumble (the rest of my team ran into a 4v5 that was pretty dumb- I had just respawned so there was I was still a screen away by the time the fight was over). It's like really? You want me to suicide so your team can waltz over the nexus and get a free win? We ended up winning.
As far as I'm concerned, ARAM pentas don't even really count.
Also, I had some tryhard Ezreal (in a bot game) say that a pentakill in a bot game is as hard as a pentakill in a ranked game.
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Yeah they don't.
Sadly, else I would have SO MANY PENTAS.
Almost all from when I rolled Yi. Yi always penta, never not penta.
On January 07 2013 23:36 zer0das wrote:
Also, I had some tryhard Ezreal (in a bot game) say that a pentakill in a bot game is as hard as a pentakill in a ranked game.
Well, depending on the elo, that CAN be correct.
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On January 07 2013 23:40 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah they don't.
Sadly, else I would have SO MANY PENTAS.
Almost all from when I rolled Yi. Yi always penta, never not penta.
Always annoying when a team goes all crazy over pentastealing in arams. Its arams, pentas happen more often than not in arams :/
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On January 07 2013 23:36 zer0das wrote:
On the pentakill discussion, some Kassadin got pissed at me for avoiding a pentakill in an ARAM when I was Rumble (the rest of my team ran into a 4v5 that was pretty dumb- I had just respawned so there was I was still a screen away by the time the fight was over). It's like really? You want me to suicide so your team can waltz over the nexus and get a free win? We ended up winning.
As far as I'm concerned, ARAM pentas don't even really count.
Also, I had some tryhard Ezreal (in a bot game) say that a pentakill in a bot game is as hard as a pentakill in a ranked game.
The easiest way to get penta is when you're really farmed compared to everyone else in the game.
In a bot game that's rarely the case - everyone is 10/0, so it becomes hard to get 5 kills without getting ks'ed
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I have never played an ARAM, never honoured someone and never done a tribunal case.
I need replays bad though LOL ´replays suck a lot for improving jungling.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On January 08 2013 00:04 Eppa! wrote:
I have never played an ARAM, never honoured someone and never done a tribunal case.
I need replays bad though LOL ´replays suck a lot for improving jungling.
Isn't LOLReplay basically as good as a replay can get? As long as you record it in spectator mode (it's some kind of an option in LoLreplay) it's all perfect, no?
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Hell, I had an Olaf in a bot game who got a quadra kill, then died to the two nexus turrets while trying to kill a meditating Yi. After the game, he blamed me, called me a n00b and asked for people to report me. Because he ran in under double towers and died, and expected me to somehow give him the penta.
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