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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
December 15 2012 15:31 GMT
#561
On December 16 2012 00:28 Gaslo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 00:24 overt wrote:
On December 15 2012 22:29 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
I wouldn't consider Zhonya/Abyssal "high" damage items though. I'd put the high damage AP items at deathcap/void/dfg. Maw only gives you flat damage. BC just RIPS through everyone. Being able to do near true damage on everything is just fucking ridiculous. You no longer need a high AD stat to do dmg.


You realize that Zhonyas gives more AP than void/DFG right? And that if you play a champ that makes use of Abyssal range it's the best AP damage item minus Deathcap? I mean the whole logic behind nerfing Abyssal range was that it's nearly as much damage as dcap yet also makes you tanky.


Both Zhonyas and DFG give 100AP.


S3 changes so unfair. Riot just likes messing with me.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 15 2012 15:34 GMT
#562
On December 16 2012 00:31 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 00:28 Gaslo wrote:
On December 16 2012 00:24 overt wrote:
On December 15 2012 22:29 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
I wouldn't consider Zhonya/Abyssal "high" damage items though. I'd put the high damage AP items at deathcap/void/dfg. Maw only gives you flat damage. BC just RIPS through everyone. Being able to do near true damage on everything is just fucking ridiculous. You no longer need a high AD stat to do dmg.


You realize that Zhonyas gives more AP than void/DFG right? And that if you play a champ that makes use of Abyssal range it's the best AP damage item minus Deathcap? I mean the whole logic behind nerfing Abyssal range was that it's nearly as much damage as dcap yet also makes you tanky.


Both Zhonyas and DFG give 100AP.


S3 changes so unfair. Riot just likes messing with me.


Yeah, they brought DFG back to retard status and no one noticed because cleaver was so off the wall. I give it a week before everyone is building DFG again lol.
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Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
December 15 2012 15:34 GMT
#563
On December 15 2012 20:25 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 20:21 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
he's literally unkillable at this point, i hate laning against vlad because i know that i HAVE to make things happen early before his Q is on .00005s cooldown

Who does not hate laning against vlad, he's so boring, he can't die, clean hella fast, and is fucking safer than most heroes in the game.

Vlad is pretty weak early game
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
December 15 2012 15:39 GMT
#564
On December 16 2012 00:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 00:31 overt wrote:
On December 16 2012 00:28 Gaslo wrote:
On December 16 2012 00:24 overt wrote:
On December 15 2012 22:29 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
I wouldn't consider Zhonya/Abyssal "high" damage items though. I'd put the high damage AP items at deathcap/void/dfg. Maw only gives you flat damage. BC just RIPS through everyone. Being able to do near true damage on everything is just fucking ridiculous. You no longer need a high AD stat to do dmg.


You realize that Zhonyas gives more AP than void/DFG right? And that if you play a champ that makes use of Abyssal range it's the best AP damage item minus Deathcap? I mean the whole logic behind nerfing Abyssal range was that it's nearly as much damage as dcap yet also makes you tanky.


Both Zhonyas and DFG give 100AP.


S3 changes so unfair. Riot just likes messing with me.


Yeah, they brought DFG back to retard status and no one noticed because cleaver was so off the wall. I give it a week before everyone is building DFG again lol.


If it deals 15% max HP now it doesn't matter if you lead with it minus not making use of the damage amplification right? I mean 100 AP and 15% CDR it's gonna be must buy on every AP anyway.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12070 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 15:43:13
December 15 2012 15:40 GMT
#565
I need a bit of advice here.

As you probably all know, a lot of games in soloqueue devolve into people flaming each other, and shifting the blame around after a single small thing went wrong. This usually tends to lead to more things going wrong, and ultimately the loss of the game. Even if it does not, it is not a very fun experience. Thus, it is very useful to be able to stop this from occuring. What are your tricks for this?

Basically, in my experience, telling them to shut up does not work, at all. It does not matter what words you use, if you are polite or aggressive, you will just be ignored and they keep jumping at each others throats. Usually it only makes them flame you, too.Though it sometimes works, IF you have someone else who says the same thing. If you have 2 people telling them to shut up, they listen from time to time.

Of course, you need to have the discipline to not start flaming someone else, too. No matter what happens. Even slight underhand comments need to be avoided at all cost. This also makes it pretty hard to give people positive feedback, since any variation of "maybe you should buy a ward" after someone dies to a gank and starts flaming his jungler only feeds the flamemachine. It is probably better to just walk there and ward it yourself.

What i have had moderate success with, though of course my sample size is low, is to try to get people to agree not to flame each other before the game, or at the start of the game. It usually gets seen as a humorous thing, and then it seems like less flaming occurs during the game. I have even lost a game, pretty hard, and NO ONE flamed or threatened to report anyone else. Once.

Since this is a pretty important part of soloqueue skill, i would like to see the solutions other people here have come up with.

Note: I am not looking for anything like "well, that sucks" "People are stupid", or something like that. What i am searching are ways how I ALONE as a player can influence this. I know it is possible, since from time to time i definitively have positive results. Thus, i want to improve my social mechanics for soloqueue.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 15:47:54
December 15 2012 15:46 GMT
#566
you can't stop people flaming, just dont say anything and focus on the game, best chance you have at improving and the only thing you can effect is your own play for the most part. Make calls when needed if nobodies paying attention.

Sometimes you can diffuse the situation by stating facts but usually it'll just make it worse. Someone ignoring flame and carrying is the best way to make ppl feel bad and stfu
aka Teutonica
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 15:55:01
December 15 2012 15:47 GMT
#567
It's probably not what you want to hear but there is not much you can do about it.

The few times it actually works is when you have reasonable people that are for some reason on tilt but are not like that in general. So you can actually talk mind into them.

But usually, it does not.

Oh yea the only thing I do is, there is often 1 person who is flaming all game and for no reason whatsoever. I usually ignore him and try to tell the other people to do the same. You can't really stop him but you can at least try to make the other people not jump onto it.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
December 15 2012 15:58 GMT
#568
On December 16 2012 00:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 00:31 overt wrote:
On December 16 2012 00:28 Gaslo wrote:
On December 16 2012 00:24 overt wrote:
On December 15 2012 22:29 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
I wouldn't consider Zhonya/Abyssal "high" damage items though. I'd put the high damage AP items at deathcap/void/dfg. Maw only gives you flat damage. BC just RIPS through everyone. Being able to do near true damage on everything is just fucking ridiculous. You no longer need a high AD stat to do dmg.


You realize that Zhonyas gives more AP than void/DFG right? And that if you play a champ that makes use of Abyssal range it's the best AP damage item minus Deathcap? I mean the whole logic behind nerfing Abyssal range was that it's nearly as much damage as dcap yet also makes you tanky.


Both Zhonyas and DFG give 100AP.


S3 changes so unfair. Riot just likes messing with me.


Yeah, they brought DFG back to retard status and no one noticed because cleaver was so off the wall. I give it a week before everyone is building DFG again lol.

I built DFG on Cass yesterday.

LOOOOL
retard status indeed.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 16:09:51
December 15 2012 16:07 GMT
#569
On December 16 2012 00:58 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 00:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On December 16 2012 00:31 overt wrote:
On December 16 2012 00:28 Gaslo wrote:
On December 16 2012 00:24 overt wrote:
On December 15 2012 22:29 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
I wouldn't consider Zhonya/Abyssal "high" damage items though. I'd put the high damage AP items at deathcap/void/dfg. Maw only gives you flat damage. BC just RIPS through everyone. Being able to do near true damage on everything is just fucking ridiculous. You no longer need a high AD stat to do dmg.


You realize that Zhonyas gives more AP than void/DFG right? And that if you play a champ that makes use of Abyssal range it's the best AP damage item minus Deathcap? I mean the whole logic behind nerfing Abyssal range was that it's nearly as much damage as dcap yet also makes you tanky.


Both Zhonyas and DFG give 100AP.


S3 changes so unfair. Riot just likes messing with me.


Yeah, they brought DFG back to retard status and no one noticed because cleaver was so off the wall. I give it a week before everyone is building DFG again lol.

I built DFG on Cass yesterday.

LOOOOL
retard status indeed.


DFG on Eve.

Retarded-er status

edit: The amplification on her ult is retarded. 15% max + amplification of either 15/20/25% hp in about a second. Then e-q-q-q 100% burst.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
December 15 2012 16:08 GMT
#570
New DFG is almost as good 1 on 1 (and better in double AP comps) than pre-nerf DFG while being only slightly more expensive.

I'm pretty sure that makes it OP.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 15 2012 16:10 GMT
#571
It's also a lot less smooth to build, especially out of the jungle, unless you get ridiculously fed, which should be taken into account.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
December 15 2012 16:22 GMT
#572
Just be positive in the gay musical way (credits to Teutonica)
What I do is:
If people are flaming, tell them what to do instead. "Focus on winning guys!", "Focus on the game, Baron up in 2 minutes" and stuff like that. Don't tell them what not to do, don't even mention it directly, just tell them what to do instead.
If someone stays in fountain I instead give them orders (as long as I am not the reason they went afk) like, "talon, get back in lane" or "go farm bottom riven, now" etc. Being all super nice probably is more likely to fail from my experience.
When someone says something along the lines of "idc anymore", I use my probably most used anti-inflammatory line "but I do care".
These techniques aren't 100% success, nothing is, but I find them helpful, they helped me along my whole path from 1300 to 2300.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Tula
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1544 Posts
December 15 2012 16:23 GMT
#573
On December 16 2012 01:08 phyvo wrote:
New DFG is almost as good 1 on 1 (and better in double AP comps) than pre-nerf DFG while being only slightly more expensive.

I'm pretty sure that makes it OP.

I disagree by a lot. pre-nerf dfg could do up to 35% of your hp as damage, which made it easily possible to combo even a full tank down on certain chars.

Now? It's an expensive item that might be worth it on many casters, but certainly not on every AP char like it was before they nerfed it.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 15 2012 16:25 GMT
#574
On December 16 2012 00:34 Lylat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 20:25 WhiteDog wrote:
On December 15 2012 20:21 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
he's literally unkillable at this point, i hate laning against vlad because i know that i HAVE to make things happen early before his Q is on .00005s cooldown

Who does not hate laning against vlad, he's so boring, he can't die, clean hella fast, and is fucking safer than most heroes in the game.

Vlad is pretty weak early game

Yeah, but he's pretty safe. You can Q and pool and never engage in matchups that suck for you, and just get to late game, or you can win lane in good matchups.
It's your boy Guzma!
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 16:42:40
December 15 2012 16:36 GMT
#575
On December 16 2012 01:23 Tula wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 01:08 phyvo wrote:
New DFG is almost as good 1 on 1 (and better in double AP comps) than pre-nerf DFG while being only slightly more expensive.

I'm pretty sure that makes it OP.

I disagree by a lot. pre-nerf dfg could do up to 35% of your hp as damage, which made it easily possible to combo even a full tank down on certain chars.

Now? It's an expensive item that might be worth it on many casters, but certainly not on every AP char like it was before they nerfed it.


All I know is that Gunblade + Lich Bane + DFG is basically a sure kill every time on Akali.

Well that and if you have the 400 AP necessary to hit 35% on S2 DFG you should be doing enough damage that the 20% amplification makes up the difference.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
December 15 2012 16:43 GMT
#576
Yea started building Gunblade -> DFG -> Lichbane, ohhh mama my girl is back in action. Super fun.

It does seem pretty retard status though, as someone mentioned on cass...hit a Q? DFG+EEEEEEEEEEE

It just makes any champ with burst magic damage burst that much harder. I know syndra is not very competitively viable but jesus she can rip someone in half in <4 seconds easily. Same with leblanc.

"I am a leaf on the wind."
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 15 2012 16:45 GMT
#577
Just played against a Cass/Soraka bot lane. As Draven.
OhgodthezoningandthepokeandthepermamanaandthesustainandtherangeandIdon'thaveanyescapeohfuckIhateyouwhatdoIdoooooooooooooooo.

:<
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
ninjakingcola
Profile Joined March 2011
United States405 Posts
December 15 2012 17:00 GMT
#578
I had DFG on my Veigar and over 1000 AP the other day...I had become a god.
Where my demons hide? Why, if I showed you it wouldn't be a secret my dear.
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
December 15 2012 17:04 GMT
#579
On December 16 2012 01:22 Scip wrote:
Just be positive in the gay musical way (credits to Teutonica)
What I do is:
If people are flaming, tell them what to do instead. "Focus on winning guys!", "Focus on the game, Baron up in 2 minutes" and stuff like that. Don't tell them what not to do, don't even mention it directly, just tell them what to do instead.
If someone stays in fountain I instead give them orders (as long as I am not the reason they went afk) like, "talon, get back in lane" or "go farm bottom riven, now" etc. Being all super nice probably is more likely to fail from my experience.
When someone says something along the lines of "idc anymore", I use my probably most used anti-inflammatory line "but I do care".
These techniques aren't 100% success, nothing is, but I find them helpful, they helped me along my whole path from 1300 to 2300.


When someone decides they want to afk in fountain I usually tell them something like this: "grow some balls and play." For some reason insulting a player's masculinity is very effective for getting him to not give up. I know it is technically a bit negative but if they are gonna lose the game because of afk qq, I think it is worth a try.
I got nothin'...
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
December 15 2012 17:31 GMT
#580
On December 16 2012 01:22 Scip wrote:
Just be positive in the gay musical way (credits to Teutonica)
What I do is:
If people are flaming, tell them what to do instead. "Focus on winning guys!", "Focus on the game, Baron up in 2 minutes" and stuff like that. Don't tell them what not to do, don't even mention it directly, just tell them what to do instead.
If someone stays in fountain I instead give them orders (as long as I am not the reason they went afk) like, "talon, get back in lane" or "go farm bottom riven, now" etc. Being all super nice probably is more likely to fail from my experience.
When someone says something along the lines of "idc anymore", I use my probably most used anti-inflammatory line "but I do care".
These techniques aren't 100% success, nothing is, but I find them helpful, they helped me along my whole path from 1300 to 2300.


You gotta use emoticons man. Solo que players frelling love smilie faces and stuff.

but I do care ^_^!

Look at it, you want to do whatever it is I said right now don't you? Hell even I want to do something now. Whatever it is..
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