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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
playing AP mid against fizz -> he jumps on me and does damage I just can't return/heal fast enough to be useful playing AD/tanky top against vlad -> he way outsustains me playing AD/tanky top against lee sin -> he builds bt first item and can kill me with one combo and then I proceed to do nothing but push down ~2 towers in midgame before being completely useless lategame. idgi | ||
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qanik
Denmark1899 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On December 15 2012 21:10 Eiii wrote: can someone explain to me how nid ever wins a lane? my few exploratory games with here have been horrible. playing AP mid against fizz -> he jumps on me and does damage I just can't return/heal fast enough to be useful playing AD/tanky top against vlad -> he way outsustains me playing AD/tanky top against lee sin -> he builds bt first item and can kill me with one combo and then I proceed to do nothing but push down ~2 towers in midgame before being completely useless lategame. idgi well they're shitty lanes for nid try against olaf or something and see how well he does againast you | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On December 15 2012 21:24 Slayer91 wrote: well they're shitty lanes for nid try against olaf or something and see how well he does againast you idk about fizz, but Nid should beat Vlad/Lee Sin pretty hard top lane Vlad dies to nid really easily if you just jump on him when you're level 6, your weq / wqe combo should easily take half his life lol. For lee sin, if he just rushes bloodthirster, then you can do the same thing since he won't have any hp... If he builds real items, then you'll have to just farm and outpush/sustain him eventually. I think you're just underestimating how retardedly op she is. (well, at least OP as in you become a god that one shots everyone and moves really fast temporarily at level 6,11, and 16) | ||
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PepperoniPiZZa
Sierra Leone1660 Posts
On December 15 2012 21:10 Eiii wrote: can someone explain to me how nid ever wins a lane? my few exploratory games with here have been horrible. playing AP mid against fizz -> he jumps on me and does damage I just can't return/heal fast enough to be useful playing AD/tanky top against vlad -> he way outsustains me playing AD/tanky top against lee sin -> he builds bt first item and can kill me with one combo and then I proceed to do nothing but push down ~2 towers in midgame before being completely useless lategame. idgi hit your Q | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
vlad not sure | ||
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Ian Ian Ian
915 Posts
On December 15 2012 01:25 Requizen wrote: I think it's a "role" they have in their mindset. They want it to be used on melee AD casters like Panth, Riven, and Talon. In their mind (and I'm not saying I 100% agree), these melee characters can't afford to build a straight damage item, and they want some sort of defense in place because they're going into melee range. Hence, health. They could have done it with lifesteal, i suppose, but BotRK/Cutlass and BT already cover the Lifesteal/AD items. That said, there are already "big damage" items with defenses on them, even before new BC. Zhonya, Abyssal, Maw were all high AP or AD and had decent defense on them. Now we have Mercurial Scimitar as well. Whether BC's health is too much or not is debatable, but don't presume high damage/good defense items don't exist elsewhere. I wouldn't consider Zhonya/Abyssal "high" damage items though. I'd put the high damage AP items at deathcap/void/dfg. Maw only gives you flat damage. BC just RIPS through everyone. Being able to do near true damage on everything is just fucking ridiculous. You no longer need a high AD stat to do dmg. And it's just so low risk because of the hp on it. I'' also curious though - is that flat armor the only unique part? Or is the entire item unique? | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
All I got was a dumb sword wreath. Santa baron was the only icon I liked. =( | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On December 15 2012 21:03 Sufficiency wrote: Vladimir's laning phase is just, SO BAD. What? Vlad's laning isn't bad at all. >.> | ||
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35162 Posts
On December 15 2012 22:29 Ian Ian Ian wrote: I wouldn't consider Zhonya/Abyssal "high" damage items though. I'd put the high damage AP items at deathcap/void/dfg. Maw only gives you flat damage. BC just RIPS through everyone. Being able to do near true damage on everything is just fucking ridiculous. You no longer need a high AD stat to do dmg. And it's just so low risk because of the hp on it. I'' also curious though - is that flat armor the only unique part? Or is the entire item unique? Yes, the nerf to it was reducing the % on each stack, reducing the flat ArPen and making it unique. | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2337 Posts
Tbh it's still an amazing item for it's cost, it's just not utterly broken when you stack 2-3 of them. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On December 15 2012 22:29 Ian Ian Ian wrote: I wouldn't consider Zhonya/Abyssal "high" damage items though. I'd put the high damage AP items at deathcap/void/dfg. Maw only gives you flat damage. BC just RIPS through everyone. Being able to do near true damage on everything is just fucking ridiculous. You no longer need a high AD stat to do dmg. And it's just so low risk because of the hp on it. I'' also curious though - is that flat armor the only unique part? Or is the entire item unique? dude its not near true dmg, with lw+ mastery and all 4 stacks of bc u have 55% armor shred, in s2 u could hit 46% armor shred just with lw and mastery, how often are u able to put all 4 stacks of bc in tf before using ur main source of dmg, lets not forget that riot changed arm pen formula but they also decided almost remove/nerf all the flat armor reduction from the game (compare it to ap which can easily hit -70 mr LOL), in s2 all ad casters were basically unavailable because armor was so cheap and easy to stack, now that riot decided to change it u whine like little bitch on bc which has very little to do with it User was warned for this post | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 15 2012 22:29 Ian Ian Ian wrote: I wouldn't consider Zhonya/Abyssal "high" damage items though. I'd put the high damage AP items at deathcap/void/dfg. Maw only gives you flat damage. BC just RIPS through everyone. Being able to do near true damage on everything is just fucking ridiculous. You no longer need a high AD stat to do dmg. You realize that Zhonyas gives more AP than void/DFG right? And that if you play a champ that makes use of Abyssal range it's the best AP damage item minus Deathcap? I mean the whole logic behind nerfing Abyssal range was that it's nearly as much damage as dcap yet also makes you tanky. | ||
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Gaslo
Finland951 Posts
On December 16 2012 00:24 overt wrote: You realize that Zhonyas gives more AP than void/DFG right? And that if you play a champ that makes use of Abyssal range it's the best AP damage item minus Deathcap? I mean the whole logic behind nerfing Abyssal range was that it's nearly as much damage as dcap yet also makes you tanky. Both Zhonyas and DFG give 100AP. | ||
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