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Kavas
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia3421 Posts
December 15 2012 06:08 GMT
#501
On December 15 2012 15:05 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 14:54 Kavas wrote:
TSM played like garbage the entire series. Dyrus and Chaos no boots 15 minutes in like really??

I've heard/seen it happening every now and then with the MS change.

It's silly. If your opponent has boots and you don't, you can never chase or run away or even position properly.
eagle
Profile Joined April 2009
United States693 Posts
December 15 2012 06:22 GMT
#502
boots 1 overrated only 25 ms since patch
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2400 Posts
December 15 2012 06:27 GMT
#503
On December 15 2012 15:22 eagle wrote:
boots 1 overrated only 25 ms since patch


reverse noob trap though, still need them t2 boots.
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 15 2012 06:35 GMT
#504
no, boots are the noob trap
you don't need to kill your opponent to win lane
if you win every trade, you'll force them out of lane (or make them die via jungler gank)
spend your money on real stats, forego boots1 til like 20 minutes and don't even buy boots2 or boots3
win every game
thank me later

that's how it goes
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
icemanzdoinwork
Profile Joined August 2010
447 Posts
December 15 2012 06:41 GMT
#505
On December 15 2012 15:35 gtrsrs wrote:
no, boots are the noob trap
you don't need to kill your opponent to win lane
if you win every trade, you'll force them out of lane (or make them die via jungler gank)
spend your money on real stats, forego boots1 til like 20 minutes and don't even buy boots2 or boots3
win every game
thank me later

that's how it goes

This

Just go flask/5pot/ward and laugh at the boots3. You'll out sustain their harass/trades and force them back before they do you. Haven't tried it on adc.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 15 2012 06:42 GMT
#506
And then twitches power curve kicks in, and wins game for curse. lol.
liftlift > tsm
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2400 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 06:51:36
December 15 2012 06:50 GMT
#507
?

im not saying open boots3, i find it horrible unless ur abusing AA range a la cait.

im saying u DO wanna have t2 boots 15 mins into the game.
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
icemanzdoinwork
Profile Joined August 2010
447 Posts
December 15 2012 06:57 GMT
#508
On December 15 2012 15:50 xMiragex wrote:
?

im not saying open boots3, i find it horrible unless ur abusing AA range a la cait.

im saying u DO wanna have t2 boots 15 mins into the game.


Situational. I like them on the adc, but on everyone else meh. I also, start long sword 2 pot on Cait. First back scepter and boots2.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 15 2012 07:04 GMT
#509
MS is an extremely good stat up to the second soft-cap, and is very often under-valued.
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
December 15 2012 07:04 GMT
#510
Been playing some urgot mid just to try. Pretty damn strong, it's somewhat difficult to get solo kills(nidalee&eve @_@) unless the other guy misplays, but you bully the crap out of the other guy. If you open flask pendant 2 pots of your choice the other guy is going to run out of pots in a hurry. I suspect it would be essentially free kills though if I had a jungler that wasn't fizz.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 07:17:20
December 15 2012 07:12 GMT
#511
On December 15 2012 15:35 gtrsrs wrote:
no, boots are the noob trap
you don't need to kill your opponent to win lane
if you win every trade, you'll force them out of lane (or make them die via jungler gank)
spend your money on real stats, forego boots1 til like 20 minutes and don't even buy boots2 or boots3
win every game
thank me later

that's how it goes

No,do yourself a favor and don't do this.This might work now but I guarantee you people are gonna figure out that you can start cloth5 or even boots3 still on some junglers,go back buy a tabi and gank your no boots ass extremely quickly.
People are taking this boots nerf to extreme levels right now and it's going to come around and bite them.
There are exceptions of course but I'm telling you right now people are going to start exploiting this no boots madness really fast.
Cackle™
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 15 2012 07:15 GMT
#512
Ran at perma-496 MS by spamming bear stance as Udyr with +60 MS boots, a bit of CDR and MS quints.
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 07:38:33
December 15 2012 07:24 GMT
#513
Thing about boots is that if the enemy has boots and you don't, you're going to be at a disadvantage whenever you get ganked/are ganking/teamfighting. The boots nerf plus the jungle being harder means that you can forgo boot starts in most cases, but mobility is still a very important thing to have at some point in the game. You absolutely cannot underestimate and under-value mobility.

unrelated note, did they fix teh butcher mastery w/ this patch?
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 07:52:55
December 15 2012 07:49 GMT
#514
When people go boots or flask I laugh

Top nunu lets you get away with a dring start. It's such a huge advantage, especially if you're purple team

^and butcher is fixed
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5714 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 08:15:52
December 15 2012 08:15 GMT
#515
On December 15 2012 16:24 Ryuu314 wrote:
Thing about boots is that if the enemy has boots and you don't, you're going to be at a disadvantage whenever you get ganked/are ganking/teamfighting. The boots nerf plus the jungle being harder means that you can forgo boot starts in most cases, but mobility is still a very important thing to have at some point in the game. You absolutely cannot underestimate and under-value mobility.

unrelated note, did they fix teh butcher mastery w/ this patch?


If your mid you dont go boots, atm theres too much harass available to not go flask ward and pots. If you go boots mid you better been some sort of champ that can afford to sustain very hard in lane or is for sure going to get a kill before you chug through your only 3 pots vs someone who has at least 6.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 15 2012 08:19 GMT
#516
On December 15 2012 17:15 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 16:24 Ryuu314 wrote:
Thing about boots is that if the enemy has boots and you don't, you're going to be at a disadvantage whenever you get ganked/are ganking/teamfighting. The boots nerf plus the jungle being harder means that you can forgo boot starts in most cases, but mobility is still a very important thing to have at some point in the game. You absolutely cannot underestimate and under-value mobility.

unrelated note, did they fix teh butcher mastery w/ this patch?


If your mid you dont go boots, atm theres too much harass available to not go flask ward and pots. If you go boots mid you better been some sort of champ that can afford to sustain very hard in lane or is for sure going to get a kill before you chug through your only 3 pots vs someone who has at least 6.

I'm not saying start with boots. I'm just saying it's stupid to put off getting any boots at all 'til like 20 min and even forgo-ing t2~3 boots for longer like gtsrs was suggesting.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 15 2012 08:42 GMT
#517
Yay santa baron
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
December 15 2012 08:55 GMT
#518
How do you guys get santa baron when it says its for the end of the season
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 15 2012 08:55 GMT
#519
On December 15 2012 17:42 Sufficiency wrote:
Yay santa baron

Oh snap me too. Apparently I'm good-mannered. who knew?
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
December 15 2012 08:57 GMT
#520
I got it too, but I also lost my red ribbon :x
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