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On January 04 2013 18:55 Broetchenholer wrote:
So, was in a kinda unique situation yesterday and dunno if i reacted properly. Played Trist vs a Graves lane and somehow got more money then him. We both started zerkers 2xdorans + scepter. I killed him, he came back to lane with a pickaxe and i killed him again, going back, having more then 2200 gold. Now i did something i would consider blasphemy. I Bought a BT first on Tristana. Felt so dirty. But i knew he basically just reset his money to 600 or less and he would need tons of farm to even get a bf now, so i figured i would be able to stack my bt fast and snowball completely. The game went that way, but mostly cause my team did win pretty hard, not just bot.
Anyone got advise on this? It felt right and wrong at the same time.
what? How is buying a BT a big deal on any ad, its fine. BT or IE first is completely situational and they both just add a bunch of AD.
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So after playing about 10 Ziggs games and got the hang of him, my conclusion is that you need an amumu on your team and then you just win.
just carried a 4v5 while going 20-5 with an amumu who clearly hadn't jungled since S2 and never built any machete items. Luckily his R finger was still functional.
honestly though, without some sort of combo for teamfights he is pretty meh, but with one very strong. His W REALLY needs a QOL buff removing the cast time, it would make playing him SO much smoother and open up a ton of actual playmaking opportunities.
I tried going chalice, and just going tear. You cant really just go tear, you dont have enough mana to charge it fast. Going both is alright in a more passive lane, archangels is really good item and you get a ton of AP later. I don't think you really have an option of not going chalice, its too core.
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Well, it delays your ie and this is bad. Going pure id makes sense on carries with ad ratios, but tristana only has here auto attack. So yeah, it's not THAT bad, but you still deal less damage in the midgame where you are weak enough already. Is that worth the very short rise in power comared to the other ad?
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On January 04 2013 19:38 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 19:30 kongoline wrote:On January 04 2013 18:56 Amui wrote:hmmm according to http://i.imgur.com/QyFBF.jpg(reddit) jungle camps have the small creeps' HP halved. Big QoL buff for single target junglers, while not really changing anything for the AoE junglers. Junglers with weak multitarget spells also get a buff. I'm thinking a few non-standard junglers might become viable as well. Wukong/Yi/Sion and maybe cass/karthus could be viable since they nuke the small creeps with relative ease and have the single target damage to deal with big creeps. so everything got weaker except for red/blue small golems, hmm seems like this might actualy screw up shaco clear time How would it screw up anything. Unless you mean that it's potentially possible once again to do the stupid ultrafast double buff level 3 shit again. Honestly the less shaco I see the happier I am. 2 mechanics I hate on on one champ. Low CD blink and stealth.
red/blue lizard usually dies to boxes/smite while small golems i need to kill myself, i usualy do wraiths>red>blue >invade/gank but now it might actually delay my invade by crucial few seconds (extra 3xAA on every small golem can take quite some time)
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On January 04 2013 19:47 sob3k wrote:
So after playing about 10 Ziggs games and got the hang of him, my conclusion is that you need an amumu on your team and then you just win.
just carried a 4v5 while going 20-5 with an amumu who clearly hadn't jungled since S2 and never built any machete items. Luckily his R finger was still functional.
honestly though, without some sort of combo for teamfights he is pretty meh, but with one very strong. His W REALLY needs a QOL buff removing the cast time, it would make playing him SO much smoother and open up a ton of actual playmaking opportunities.
I tried going chalice, and just going tear. You cant really just go tear, you dont have enough mana to charge it fast. Going both is alright in a more passive lane, archangels is really good item and you get a ton of AP later. I don't think you really have an option of not going chalice, its too core.
i play a shitton of ziggs and i never get chalice @@
yes combos make ziggs infinitely better, any huge aoe initiate is pretty cool (malphite sona etc)
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Buying a BT is fine, if you expect to leave your lane "soonish". IE improves your damage a ton compared to a BT (even if fully stacked), but the lifesteal on a BT obviously makes early teamfights far easier to survive, and in early teamfights you should be able to depend on your teammates to deal decent damage aswell. I'd say if you buy BT, you should force down their tower as fast as possible and go roam.
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On January 04 2013 18:56 Amui wrote:hmmm according to http://i.imgur.com/QyFBF.jpg(reddit) jungle camps have the small creeps' HP halved. Big QoL buff for single target junglers, while not really changing anything for the AoE junglers. Junglers with weak multitarget spells also get a buff. I'm thinking a few non-standard junglers might become viable as well. Wukong/Yi/Sion and maybe cass/karthus could be viable since they nuke the small creeps with relative ease and have the single target damage to deal with big creeps.
Should be noted that those stats are "old", the PTB was updated and the HP values aren't quite so low anymore (though still lower than on the live servers).
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On January 04 2013 15:14 Chrispy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 15:09 sob3k wrote:
Ok, wtf
HOW DO I LANE VS AP YI?
Like, I have no idea what to do. There is no way I can get him out of lane because of meditate, if I just sit and farm then he roams and gets kills and the jungler covers his tower before I can push it down and lategame he probably does more teamfight damage than I do anyway. If I try to set myself up to farm I also have to get a ton of sustain stuff because he is going to be hitting me with alphas and eventually force me out otherwise, and this gimps my damage even more.
Is there any way to win this lane without serious jungle help? I'm playing ziggs right now but I can't seem to win with anyone, maybe I get a kill on him early because he's bad but after that he's immovable. With ziggs if I try to push down his tower I get ganked and cant get out because escape is crap and he ignores slows. Pretty sure AP Yi just doesn't lose lanes. Best you can do is not feed him. 
Malzahar is pretty good against Yi, given he has a long range silence to eff up his meditate, not to mention a suppress. Also, playing bruisers such as Renekton and Pantheon tend to give him fits. Though mid lane is too short to kill him easily, really.
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On January 04 2013 20:25 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 19:47 sob3k wrote:
So after playing about 10 Ziggs games and got the hang of him, my conclusion is that you need an amumu on your team and then you just win.
just carried a 4v5 while going 20-5 with an amumu who clearly hadn't jungled since S2 and never built any machete items. Luckily his R finger was still functional.
honestly though, without some sort of combo for teamfights he is pretty meh, but with one very strong. His W REALLY needs a QOL buff removing the cast time, it would make playing him SO much smoother and open up a ton of actual playmaking opportunities.
I tried going chalice, and just going tear. You cant really just go tear, you dont have enough mana to charge it fast. Going both is alright in a more passive lane, archangels is really good item and you get a ton of AP later. I don't think you really have an option of not going chalice, its too core. i play a shitton of ziggs and i never get chalice @@ yes combos make ziggs infinitely better, any huge aoe initiate is pretty cool (malphite sona etc)
What do you build? I guess if you are guaranteed every blue you could go just tear but I never get blues so I play as if they are a nice bonus. Conserving mana is just not playing ziggs to his potential IMO, use that harass and push power and roam/take wraiths and fling shit everywhere.
Lich is actually pretty sick lategame, faaaaat nukes with passive.
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Haha I'm pretty sure if they become EG.EU people will keep calling them CLG.EU for that reason :p
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Anyone here using Win8? I had to re-setup my pc and wanted to give it a try but had A TON of adobe launcher crashes ever since reinstalling lol while I never had it once under win7. Happens mostly in champselect and then I gotta wait 30-60minutes to queue again =(. Sometimes it even happens when I'm trying to login.
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On January 04 2013 22:15 AsnSensation wrote:
Anyone here using Win8? I had to re-setup my pc and wanted to give it a try but had A TON of adobe launcher crashes ever since reinstalling lol while I never had it once under win7. Happens mostly in champselect and then I gotta wait 30-60minutes to queue again =(. Sometimes it even happens when I'm trying to login.
Using Windows 8, never had a problem...
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On January 04 2013 22:20 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 22:15 AsnSensation wrote:
Anyone here using Win8? I had to re-setup my pc and wanted to give it a try but had A TON of adobe launcher crashes ever since reinstalling lol while I never had it once under win7. Happens mostly in champselect and then I gotta wait 30-60minutes to queue again =(. Sometimes it even happens when I'm trying to login. Using Windows 8, never had a problem...
Same here.. Client crashed maybe 1 or 2 times but no big deal
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On January 04 2013 22:15 AsnSensation wrote:
Anyone here using Win8? I had to re-setup my pc and wanted to give it a try but had A TON of adobe launcher crashes ever since reinstalling lol while I never had it once under win7. Happens mostly in champselect and then I gotta wait 30-60minutes to queue again =(. Sometimes it even happens when I'm trying to login.
I remember seeing a Riot post somewhere about user feedback for Windows 8 - it might be worth making a post on the official forums, or trying to find a similar one and posting there because they're definitely trying to squash Win 8 bugs.
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On January 04 2013 17:12 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 16:57 NEOtheONE wrote:On January 04 2013 16:45 Shikyo wrote:
Hmm don't forget the active on BotRK though, it can help with chasing or save your ass against some diving bruiser. Still wouldn't get it over BT though
By the way, going both BotRK and Gunblade would be pretty funny~ I'd rather go Gunblade BT. It's pretty hilarious on Akali. You can get her spellvamp to like 50+% just from those 2 items. And then the lifesteal on top of that. Add in a Deathcap, a Lichbane, and a GA or some other defensive item and Akali can burst down just about anyone or anything without much fear of dying. try gunblade gunblade gunblade gunblade gunblade
this build is bad
you need a GA
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On January 04 2013 22:03 Lylat wrote:Haha I'm pretty sure if they become EG.EU people will keep calling them CLG.EU for that reason :p
CL.EG.EU. =)
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On January 04 2013 23:34 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 17:12 sob3k wrote:On January 04 2013 16:57 NEOtheONE wrote:On January 04 2013 16:45 Shikyo wrote:
Hmm don't forget the active on BotRK though, it can help with chasing or save your ass against some diving bruiser. Still wouldn't get it over BT though
By the way, going both BotRK and Gunblade would be pretty funny~ I'd rather go Gunblade BT. It's pretty hilarious on Akali. You can get her spellvamp to like 50+% just from those 2 items. And then the lifesteal on top of that. Add in a Deathcap, a Lichbane, and a GA or some other defensive item and Akali can burst down just about anyone or anything without much fear of dying. try gunblade gunblade gunblade gunblade gunblade this build is bad you need a GA
Thats why there are only 5 gunblades
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so... i just duo'd one with good, he did bad but it was w/e, but then he removes me... Why does this game have so many emos.
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