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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On January 02 2013 09:33 nojitosunrise wrote: All of these criticisms of pro teams play is kind of pointless if they start to stop caring about winning. This is a big concern for me. S3 teams have Riot's salary + team salary + stream revenue. There is a huge chance that teams just stop prioritizing winning.....I really hope Riot incentivizes winning regularly and consistently. I'd say there's a lot more incentive to do well. Which is sad. I like the casualness of the players. If they do poorly they can be dropped from a team and lose their salary. Their team itself can be dropped in favor of newer ones going after a steady salary. This is scary: playing a game and being unlucky for a while can lead to a player losing their job. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On January 02 2013 09:33 nojitosunrise wrote: All of these criticisms of pro teams play is kind of pointless if they start to stop caring about winning. This is a big concern for me. S3 teams have Riot's salary + team salary + stream revenue. There is a huge chance that teams just stop prioritizing winning.....I really hope Riot incentivizes winning regularly and consistently. I doubt they are just going to stop caring about winning just because they are getting payed a salary, there is still a lot of pride on the line and every team wants to be the best in their region and qualify for the Season 3 Championships (which would mean more money). Players in the NFL get payed millions but still have the ultimate goal of winning the Super Bowl. Maybe it's because eSports is in it's infancy, but the desire to win and be the best should outweigh getting a salary. On January 02 2013 09:39 obesechicken13 wrote: I'd say there's a lot more incentive to do well. Which is sad. I like the casualness of the players. If they do poorly they can be dropped from a team and lose their salary. Their team itself can be dropped in favor of newer ones going after a steady salary. This is scary: playing a game and being unlucky for a while can lead to a player losing their job. That's how traditional sports work, more of an incentive to not get complacent and only play soloq all day. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 02 2013 09:39 obesechicken13 wrote: I'd say there's a lot more incentive to do well. Which is sad. I like the casualness of the players. I think there needs to be a certain distinction between playing LoL as a professional player, and playing LoL as an entertainer. The two require very different skillsets, even though there is some overlap on various players. As a rule though, you shouldn't expect one to be good at the other. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On January 02 2013 09:03 NeoIllusions wrote: I think as long as they get ubiquitous games where pete goes god mode on Kog, CLG.eu is going to remain a bit ambivalent with carry positions. Hopefully Froggen goes full tryhard in S3 and Wickd (really, really) diversifies his champ pool. CLG.eu's bot lane, empirically, isn't a problem. The team just needs to know when to unload all the farm to pete. Side note, Krepo browses TL? :O People underestimate Yellowpete & Wickd imo. Even if they don't shine like Froggen (especially Yellowpete) they seems to be the most agressive players in the team. I often see Yellowpete overextending himself, or using every possible inch of time or space to hit and play agressive. I don't really know, but I'm pretty sure that krepo / yellowpete / wickd are the three people that push for plays, teamfights or whatever, and that Froggen, althought really good individually, is more of a follower (especially Wickd & Krepo, they are always talking to their mate during streams session, "do this do tha"t, "back back", "gogo", "omg I set up that play you fucked it up"). I remember Navitar saying Dandinh was a godlike player because he was the one calling and making the plays, and that nobody sees that throughout the game, I'm sure it's the same situation for those three. My main problem with ex-CLG.eu is how snoopeh is soon irrelevant because he let all the farm to froggen, that's quite sad for him. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22670 Posts
On January 02 2013 10:08 Redox wrote: Also Wickds champion pool is way bigger than people always claim. Like when I read here, which champions he only is supposed to play, or what his best champions are, its mostly total bullshit. He often plays only a few during a certain time, like during one tournament. He has a strong fotm mindset where he believes only this champion is really good at the moment, so I only play him. Doesnt mean that he is unable to play others.Yeah he doesnt play many APs. But which top laner plays APs lately. The top laner of a team who is planning to play a lot of AD mids during a tournament. Its something that should come up in preparation. Plus it doesnt matter how many champions have you played decently well in the last x months, its matter how many top champions you can play at a global level right now when your drafting for a tournament match. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On January 02 2013 10:08 Redox wrote: Also Wickds champion pool is way bigger than people always claim. Like when I read here, which champions he only is supposed to play, or what his best champions are, its mostly total bullshit. He often plays only a few during a certain time, like during one tournament. He has a strong fotm mindset where he believes only this champion is really good at the moment, so I only play him. Doesnt mean that he is unable to play others.Yeah he doesnt play many APs. But which top laner plays APs lately. This gets brought up a lot due to Froggen's recent desire to play AD mids such as Lee Sin and Corki, other teams do this but not nearly as frequently (only other one that comes to mind is ex-Quantic). I meant you can run without the AP, but still just makes it easier to itemize against it defensively. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 02 2013 10:14 Gorsameth wrote: Plus it doesnt matter how many champions have you played decently well in the last x months, its matter how many top champions you can play at a global level right now when your drafting for a tournament match. This. In a global-level competition, it's not a question of just what you "can play". It's what you can play to that top level. I'll use Toyz as an example. He "can play" TF. He "can play" Diana. Were those good enough at IPL5? No. At international competition, the only thing that matters is that list of champs that you can play to 100%. The stuff you can play to 90% doesn't matter because 90% isn't good enough. It's what you brought to the tournament at 100% that decides what your team can actually win with. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On January 02 2013 10:20 TheYango wrote: This. In a global-level competition, it's not a question of just what you "can play". It's what you can play to that top level. I'll use Toyz as an example. He "can play" TF. He "can play" Diana. Were those good enough at IPL5? No. At international competition, the only thing that matters is that list of champs that you can play to 100%. The stuff you can play to 90% doesn't matter because 90% isn't good enough. It's what you brought to the tournament at 100% that decides what your team can actually win with. I'm not sure the comparaison really is equivalent. Mid ap carries are very different from one another, like evelynn kata are not played at all like kassadin, who is not played at all like lux or anivia. In the end it's really a question of play style as the poster above said. Top it's not really the same, there are a certain number of champ that are vaguely similar. I'm pretty sure wickd can play jax top at a good level but he rarely pick him, same for riven for exemple, he showed he can play her at a good level, but it seems like he tends forgets that she exists in the first place. | ||
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kongoline
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On January 02 2013 10:53 kongoline wrote: so whats better vs ad top, cloth +5pots or 13 pots/9pots+ward depends, duh. I know that's not what you wanted to hear, but it's the correct answer. It depends. | ||
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AUGcodon
Canada536 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14215 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On January 02 2013 11:08 Slusher wrote: also wards, can the jungler do a lvl2 gank yes/no? also what champion are you playing yourself, are you planning on building something out of the cloth armor, stuff like that is important when deciding which build to start. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
As Jarvan you would be expected to do a level 2 gank for example so there's probably a ward already. As Maokai not so much. | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On January 02 2013 10:53 kongoline wrote: so whats better vs ad top, cloth +5pots or 13 pots/9pots+ward neither, flask trumps all! | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On January 02 2013 11:11 Alaric wrote: You still can, but it depends on the item start of the laner, if he uses the ward or not, etc. As Jarvan you would be expected to do a level 2 gank for example so there's probably a ward already. As Maokai not so much. Alaric, you're tired, go to sleep. The dude wasn't asking any questions.  | ||
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