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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
CLG.eu's bot lane, empirically, isn't a problem. The team just needs to know when to unload all the farm to pete. Side note, Krepo browses TL? :O | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On January 02 2013 09:03 NeoIllusions wrote: I think as long as they get ubiquitous games where pete goes god mode on Kog, CLG.eu is going to remain a bit ambivalent with carry positions. Hopefully Froggen goes full tryhard in S3 and Wickd (really, really) diversifies his champ pool. CLG.eu's bot lane, empirically, isn't a problem. The team just needs to know when to unload all the farm to pete. Side note, Krepo browses TL? :O I think he was looking at incontrol's blog post | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On January 02 2013 09:03 nojitosunrise wrote: I think he was looking at incontrol's blog post Looking at incontrols blog? EG.Fries confirmed. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On January 02 2013 09:03 nojitosunrise wrote: I think he was looking at incontrol's blog post For shame... | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 02 2013 09:03 NeoIllusions wrote: I think as long as they get ubiquitous games where pete goes god mode on Kog, CLG.eu is going to remain a bit ambivalent with carry positions. Hopefully Froggen goes full tryhard in S3 and Wickd (really, really) diversifies his champ pool. CLG.eu's bot lane, empirically, isn't a problem. The team just needs to know when to unload all the farm to pete. Side note, Krepo browses TL? :O I think Pete gets a lot of undue flak, even here on TL. I've seen people call him the weak link on CLG.EU, but quite honestly, his play is perfectly fine given the amount of attention the team gives him. Not on the level of Asian ADs, but on level with the rest of CLG.EU when it comes to how they stack up against their other Western counterparts. Players that get more farm and more attention from their team always look better than those that don't. They die less because their team is putting the effort in to save them/countergank for them, which covers up some of their mistakes. They get more kills and die less in fights because of their item advantage. It's important to take note of this when comparing players that play the same "role" in teams that assign them very different functions. Pete has uncharacteristically low farm priority for an AD carry, so it's very important to take this into account when comparing him to other AD carry players. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On January 02 2013 08:50 Numy wrote: People just need to put more importance on drafting and team composition and less on matchups. It's not just a CLG.EU problem. While I tend to agree that a lot of the teams don't seem to have the picks and bans phase quite figured out, it actually IS a CLG.eu specific problem. Usually, you will see teams prioritizing their AD carry to get farm at a certain point in the game. CLG.eu usually lets Wickd and Froggen have most of the farm, rendering choices like Anivia/Orianna/Karthus as their AP carries much more attractive than, say, Lux or Lee Sin. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
I can't imagine it can be just champion diversity. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 02 2013 09:15 OutlaW- wrote: Talking about Wickd, what are his faults (shortcomings) when compared to other carry top laners like Maknoon or Lilac (and Reapered)? They are all #1 priority of their teams and wickd is #2, but is that really the only difference between them? I can't imagine it can be just champion diversity. Lilac is not 1st position for LG-IM in many cases. He's a very team-minded top laner. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On January 02 2013 08:46 TheYango wrote: Honestly I don't even consider it necessarily a flawed playstyle. They just don't fully embrace their own strengths and weaknesses. If Froggen wants to overfarm, he should play APs that fully utilize it like Karthus/Anivia/Orianna, and throw away his ideas of playing mid bruisers or APs that fall off lategame. If Pete is going to accept playing 3rd position, then they should emphasize this fact and pick him ADs that provide supportive usefulness as 3rd position champs. It's the fact that they're wishy-washy about it and pick teamcomps that SHOULD be played with the AD as 1st position, but then don't play it that way. There's nothing wrong with their playstyle so long as they thoroughly think through how they draft for it. That's what I meant, the playstyle itself isn't flawed, but their execution is usually where they stumble. It's been stated before, but a lot of teams don't put nearly enough thoughts into the picks/bans phase of the game. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On January 02 2013 09:15 OutlaW- wrote: Talking about Wickd, what are his faults (shortcomings) when compared to other carry top laners like Maknoon or Lilac (and Reapered)? They are all #1 priority of their teams and wickd is #2, but is that really the only difference between them? I can't imagine it can be just champion diversity. Lately (read: last important matches I remember), Wickd has played a lot of Malphite and Rumble because of Froggen screwing around with bruisers and Corki mid. While you could make the argument that Rumble scales really well, I think in the sort of team compositions they run, neither of these champions needs tons of farm to be effective. That's one theory. The other one is that teams actually listen to what their fans say (dear god I hope I'm wrong) and see certain players as their star players who's needs have to be catered. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On January 02 2013 09:15 OutlaW- wrote: Talking about Wickd, what are his faults (shortcomings) when compared to other carry top laners like Maknoon or Lilac (and Reapered)? They are all #1 priority of their teams and wickd is #2, but is that really the only difference between them? I can't imagine it can be just champion diversity. You'd be surprised how much a small champion pool can hurt someone. Especially when Froggen is on his AD Mid kick and they only AP Champ Wickd can play is Rumble (which he is okay, but not great with). | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It's not a problem exclusive to him though. I'd say there's a handful of top laners that are really experienced with how to play from the low-farm situation of a 1v2 (incidentally, this is one of Hotshot's strong points as a top laner, as he's one of the few top laners who are really experienced in playing 1v2s, and possibly the only one on NA), mostly Korean. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On January 02 2013 09:22 TheYango wrote: He also seems somewhat unaccustomed to playing from behind, particularly as a 1v2 laner. This was pretty apparent vs WE at IPL5 when Caomei was already entering fights when Wickd was still farming to catch up. It's not a problem exclusive to him though. I'd say there's a handful of top laners that are really experienced with how to play from the low-farm situation of a 1v2 (incidentally, this is one of Hotshot's strong points as a top laner, as he's one of the few top laners who are really experienced in playing 1v2s, and possibly the only one on NA), mostly Korean. What are you implying when you say that HotShot's good at playing from behind? That he's just used to being behind? :p | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On January 02 2013 09:25 obesechicken13 wrote: What are you implying when you say that HotShot's good at playing from behind? That he's just used to being behind? :p He's used to being behind because his mechanics aren't good and he usually loses lane. This is saying it really negatively but the point stands that hotshot is better at low-econ than the rest of western top laners. Whether or not he's a better player is a different topic, however. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 02 2013 09:25 obesechicken13 wrote: What are you implying when you say that HotShot's good at playing from behind? That he's just used to being behind? :p That's part of it (I also think that's part of how Caomei got good at playing 1v2s, because for the longest time he lost 1v1 lanes so hard that got solo killed top lane almost every game). Another part is that he simply has experience with the 1v2 solo because he's been playing that long. CLG's experimented with lane swaps, but also before that he played the 1v2 laner when CLG still ran roaming supports with Elementz. There are very few top laners that were actually playing "professionally" when that was still the norm on NA. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21950 Posts
On January 02 2013 09:33 nojitosunrise wrote: All of these criticisms of pro teams play is kind of pointless if they start to stop caring about winning. This is a big concern for me. S3 teams have Riot's salary + team salary + stream revenue. There is a huge chance that teams just stop prioritizing winning.....I really hope Riot incentivizes winning regularly and consistently. The incentive should come from new teams trying to get in and earn salary themselves but im not sure if the NA scene is capable of generating that sort of competition. I guess the upcoming s3 qualifiers will go a long way into giving us more of an insight. | ||
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