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On January 02 2013 10:33 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 10:20 TheYango wrote:On January 02 2013 10:14 Gorsameth wrote:
Plus it doesnt matter how many champions have you played decently well in the last x months, its matter how many top champions you can play at a global level right now when your drafting for a tournament match.
This. In a global-level competition, it's not a question of just what you "can play". It's what you can play to that top level. I'll use Toyz as an example. He "can play" TF. He "can play" Diana. Were those good enough at IPL5? No. At international competition, the only thing that matters is that list of champs that you can play to 100%. The stuff you can play to 90% doesn't matter because 90% isn't good enough. It's what you brought to the tournament at 100% that decides what your team can actually win with. I'm not sure the comparaison really is equivalent. Mid ap carries are very different from one another, like evelynn kata are not played at all like kassadin, who is not played at all like lux or anivia. In the end it's really a question of play style as the poster above said. Top it's not really the same, there are a certain number of champ that are vaguely similar. I'm pretty sure wickd can play jax top at a good level but he rarely pick him, same for riven for exemple, he showed he can play her at a good level, but it seems like he tends forgets that she exists in the first place.
you make it sound as if its impossible to change play style based on what type of champion you're playing....
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Was trying to be helpful! D:
... oh, let's drop it. Off to bed, you're right.
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On January 02 2013 11:20 Alaric wrote:
Was trying to be helpful! D:
... oh, let's drop it. Off to bed, you're right.
Wasn't trying to be mean. <3
On another note: what's your favourite change of S3, now that stuff settled in? I think I will have to go with Muramana. It's the single greatest thing that ever happened to Ryze.
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On January 02 2013 11:15 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 11:11 Alaric wrote:
You still can, but it depends on the item start of the laner, if he uses the ward or not, etc.
As Jarvan you would be expected to do a level 2 gank for example so there's probably a ward already. As Maokai not so much. Alaric, you're tired, go to sleep. The dude wasn't asking any questions. 
Rhetoricals OP
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On January 02 2013 11:22 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 11:20 Alaric wrote:
Was trying to be helpful! D:
... oh, let's drop it. Off to bed, you're right. Wasn't trying to be mean. <3 On another note: what's your favourite change of S3, now that stuff settled in? I think I will have to go with Muramana. It's the single greatest thing that ever happened to Ryze.
Words cannot describe how happy I am that they made Ryze even scarier lategame with that single item.
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eve is so broken, its not even funny. If you let her get dfg, its already pretty hard to stop her. with rabadons/lich bane it's as good as over, this burst coming out of nowhere is just ridiculous. And, contrary to kata she forces the more expensive pink wards from the get go.
i dont know. Her invis should not be perma, or you need to seriously nerf her ultimate. Like, give it an animation similar to rupture so people can flash out.
€: last 10 games, 5 times was eve in it, 5 times she won xD oh boy, low ELO rulZ
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Anyone else watching link stream?
The dude's already really, really vocal and calls a bunch of stuff while jungling for the team. Damn, I wish he had a starting position somewhere.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 02 2013 11:35 Djin)ftw( wrote:
eve is so broken, its not even funny. If you let her get dfg, its already pretty hard to stop her. with rabadons/lich bane it's as good as over, this burst coming out of nowhere is just ridiculous. And, contrary to kata she forces the more expensive pink wards from the get go.
i dont know. Her invis should not be perma, or you need to seriously nerf her ultimate. Like, give it an animation similar to rupture so people can flash out.
€: last 10 games, 5 times was eve in it, 5 times she won xD oh boy, low ELO rulZ
QQ thread this way >>>
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On January 02 2013 11:33 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 11:22 Shiv. wrote:On January 02 2013 11:20 Alaric wrote:
Was trying to be helpful! D:
... oh, let's drop it. Off to bed, you're right. Wasn't trying to be mean. <3 On another note: what's your favourite change of S3, now that stuff settled in? I think I will have to go with Muramana. It's the single greatest thing that ever happened to Ryze. Words cannot describe how happy I am that they made Ryze even scarier lategame with that single item.
Because Ryze's lategame needed to be more scary....
On January 02 2013 11:39 Shiv. wrote:Anyone else watching link stream? The dude's already really, really vocal and calls a bunch of stuff while jungling for the team. Damn, I wish he had a starting position somewhere. + Show Spoiler +On January 02 2013 11:35 Djin)ftw( wrote:
eve is so broken, its not even funny. If you let her get dfg, its already pretty hard to stop her. with rabadons/lich bane it's as good as over, this burst coming out of nowhere is just ridiculous. And, contrary to kata she forces the more expensive pink wards from the get go.
i dont know. Her invis should not be perma, or you need to seriously nerf her ultimate. Like, give it an animation similar to rupture so people can flash out.
€: last 10 games, 5 times was eve in it, 5 times she won xD oh boy, low ELO rulZ QQ thread this way >>>
there's a reason why people think he's the best mid NA.
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On January 02 2013 11:46 wei2coolman wrote:
there's a reason why people think he's the best mid NA.
Because he's able to call shots so well in soloQ while he's jungling?
I was specifically talking about his ability to communicate with a team he hasn't been a part of for longer than a week. I don't know how many people in here have tried leading a team of 5 or more people, but from my 5s experiences in WoW, that's one hell of a task to accomplish, especially without much prior experience and/or synergy with the team.
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**** link, jiji forever! all h4il the k1ng!
I remember back when jiji made that post about improving himself and aiming to be #1 again. Yet whenever I watch his stream (read: every day) I never see him angry about his mistakes. If link replaces him I'm gonna be real mad. He needs to improve his mechanics (but then again everybody does). I just don't know how to feel. CLG is my favorite team because of jiji and Chauster (and more and more because of double) so I'm not sure what to feel. Let's just hope he can improve and become king. //
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On January 02 2013 11:22 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 11:20 Alaric wrote:
Was trying to be helpful! D:
... oh, let's drop it. Off to bed, you're right. Wasn't trying to be mean. <3 On another note: what's your favourite change of S3, now that stuff settled in? I think I will have to go with Muramana. It's the single greatest thing that ever happened to Ryze.
Muramana is cheesy from my point a view. A niche item for niche heroes and niche situations (late game ryze, syndra's ult...). The only thing I like in S3 is the itemisation for the jungler, aside from the fact that you have to start machete first. The spirit of the ancient golem for exemple gives a lot of variety in boots. My feeling toward the flask are weird, I like it and I hate it at the same time.
Bruiser itemisation is good too, but too good in comparaison to aps so I kinda don't like it.
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By bruisers you mean irelia and jax? I think you mean assassins? Remember that they have to go balls deep to deal most of their damage. They are supposed to deal more damage than AP casters (not all of them, diana is the exception here and eve maybe) because they get to cast most of their shit from range
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On January 02 2013 11:50 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 11:46 wei2coolman wrote:
there's a reason why people think he's the best mid NA. Because he's able to call shots so well in soloQ while he's jungling? I was specifically talking about his ability to communicate with a team he hasn't been a part of for longer than a week. I don't know how many people in here have tried leading a team of 5 or more people, but from my 5s experiences in WoW, that's one hell of a task to accomplish, especially without much prior experience and/or synergy with the team.
you don't think theres skill crossover between positions?
the reason chausters jungle is deadly, is the same reason his support is god-tier.
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Watching Wickd build Cutlass on Zed. Seems really strong midgame, but I feel like BT scales soo much better.
Edit: Looks like he built BoTRK. Hmm.
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On January 02 2013 11:55 OutlaW- wrote:
By bruisers you mean irelia and jax? I think you mean assassins? Remember that they have to go balls deep to deal most of their damage. They are supposed to deal more damage than AP casters (not all of them, diana is the exception here and eve maybe) because they get to cast most of their shit from range
I'm not saying bruisers' items are strictly overpowered in comparaison to aps, I just feel there are more variety and many route toward building your champ that does not makes you feel like you have huge power up / down time in comparaison to AP.
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You get botrk on zed because it works with your ulti and it provides you with a nuke which is really good on 100 0 characters like zed. Not sure which is better.
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On January 02 2013 11:54 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 11:22 Shiv. wrote:On January 02 2013 11:20 Alaric wrote:
Was trying to be helpful! D:
... oh, let's drop it. Off to bed, you're right. Wasn't trying to be mean. <3 On another note: what's your favourite change of S3, now that stuff settled in? I think I will have to go with Muramana. It's the single greatest thing that ever happened to Ryze. Muramana is cheesy from my point a view. A niche item for niche heroes and niche situations (late game ryze, syndra's ult...). The only thing I like in S3 is the itemisation for the jungler, aside from the fact that you have to start machete first. The spirit of the ancient golem for exemple gives a lot of variety in boots. My feeling toward the flask are weird, I like it and I hate it at the same time. Bruiser itemisation is good too, but too good in comparaison to aps so I kinda don't like it.
Please explain how it's cheesy. Also, please define ''niche heroes'' and ''niche situations''.
I have been using it as my go-to item after Glacial/Tear/whichever Cata upgrade/Mercs and it's fucking beast. From minute 25 on (that's roundabout where I get it usually), you start oneshotting their squishies, and all you delay is defenses. I'd REALLY like to know how you get the idea it's not a solid, legitimate item on Ryze.
On January 02 2013 11:57 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 11:50 Shiv. wrote:On January 02 2013 11:46 wei2coolman wrote:
there's a reason why people think he's the best mid NA. Because he's able to call shots so well in soloQ while he's jungling? I was specifically talking about his ability to communicate with a team he hasn't been a part of for longer than a week. I don't know how many people in here have tried leading a team of 5 or more people, but from my 5s experiences in WoW, that's one hell of a task to accomplish, especially without much prior experience and/or synergy with the team. you don't think theres skill crossover between positions? the reason chausters jungle is deadly, is the same reason his support is god-tier.
No, I think what you said had absolutely zero to do with what I said about Link. Everyone knows the kid can play the game, why would I state something that obvious.
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On January 02 2013 12:01 OutlaW- wrote:
You get botrk on zed because it works with your ulti and it provides you with a nuke which is really good on 100 0 characters like zed. Not sure which is better.
Yeah I can see why he got it, just not sure how it compares to BT or even BC first.
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On January 02 2013 12:01 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 11:54 WhiteDog wrote:On January 02 2013 11:22 Shiv. wrote:On January 02 2013 11:20 Alaric wrote:
Was trying to be helpful! D:
... oh, let's drop it. Off to bed, you're right. Wasn't trying to be mean. <3 On another note: what's your favourite change of S3, now that stuff settled in? I think I will have to go with Muramana. It's the single greatest thing that ever happened to Ryze. Muramana is cheesy from my point a view. A niche item for niche heroes and niche situations (late game ryze, syndra's ult...). The only thing I like in S3 is the itemisation for the jungler, aside from the fact that you have to start machete first. The spirit of the ancient golem for exemple gives a lot of variety in boots. My feeling toward the flask are weird, I like it and I hate it at the same time. Bruiser itemisation is good too, but too good in comparaison to aps so I kinda don't like it. Please explain how it's cheesy. Also, please define ''niche heroes'' and ''niche situations''. I have been using it as my go-to item after Glacial/Tear/whichever Cata upgrade/Mercs and it's fucking beast. From minute 25 on (that's roundabout where I get it usually), you start oneshotting their squishies, and all you delay is defenses. I'd REALLY like to know how you get the idea it's not a solid, legitimate item on Ryze. Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 11:57 wei2coolman wrote:On January 02 2013 11:50 Shiv. wrote:On January 02 2013 11:46 wei2coolman wrote:
there's a reason why people think he's the best mid NA. Because he's able to call shots so well in soloQ while he's jungling? I was specifically talking about his ability to communicate with a team he hasn't been a part of for longer than a week. I don't know how many people in here have tried leading a team of 5 or more people, but from my 5s experiences in WoW, that's one hell of a task to accomplish, especially without much prior experience and/or synergy with the team. you don't think theres skill crossover between positions? the reason chausters jungle is deadly, is the same reason his support is god-tier. No, I think what you said had absolutely zero to do with what I said about Link. Everyone knows the kid can play the game, why would I state something that obvious.
I'm saying cheesy because i only see it used by Ryze and maybe Syndra. It is a solid items for Ryze, I'm not saying it is not, the dmg you get from it is outstanding. But it's just useful for Ryze and Ryze alone and that I don't like.
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On January 02 2013 12:06 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 12:01 Shiv. wrote:On January 02 2013 11:54 WhiteDog wrote:On January 02 2013 11:22 Shiv. wrote:On January 02 2013 11:20 Alaric wrote:
Was trying to be helpful! D:
... oh, let's drop it. Off to bed, you're right. Wasn't trying to be mean. <3 On another note: what's your favourite change of S3, now that stuff settled in? I think I will have to go with Muramana. It's the single greatest thing that ever happened to Ryze. Muramana is cheesy from my point a view. A niche item for niche heroes and niche situations (late game ryze, syndra's ult...). The only thing I like in S3 is the itemisation for the jungler, aside from the fact that you have to start machete first. The spirit of the ancient golem for exemple gives a lot of variety in boots. My feeling toward the flask are weird, I like it and I hate it at the same time. Bruiser itemisation is good too, but too good in comparaison to aps so I kinda don't like it. Please explain how it's cheesy. Also, please define ''niche heroes'' and ''niche situations''. I have been using it as my go-to item after Glacial/Tear/whichever Cata upgrade/Mercs and it's fucking beast. From minute 25 on (that's roundabout where I get it usually), you start oneshotting their squishies, and all you delay is defenses. I'd REALLY like to know how you get the idea it's not a solid, legitimate item on Ryze. On January 02 2013 11:57 wei2coolman wrote:On January 02 2013 11:50 Shiv. wrote:On January 02 2013 11:46 wei2coolman wrote:
there's a reason why people think he's the best mid NA. Because he's able to call shots so well in soloQ while he's jungling? I was specifically talking about his ability to communicate with a team he hasn't been a part of for longer than a week. I don't know how many people in here have tried leading a team of 5 or more people, but from my 5s experiences in WoW, that's one hell of a task to accomplish, especially without much prior experience and/or synergy with the team. you don't think theres skill crossover between positions? the reason chausters jungle is deadly, is the same reason his support is god-tier. No, I think what you said had absolutely zero to do with what I said about Link. Everyone knows the kid can play the game, why would I state something that obvious. I'm saying cheesy because i only see it used by Ryze and maybe Syndra. It is a solid items for Ryze, I'm not saying it is not, the dmg you get from it is outstanding. But it's just useful for Ryze and Ryze alone and that I don't like.
Mhm, okay. I've seen it on Yorick, Ryze and Urgot mainly, and it seemed to work really really well on either of those. I think if you give people more time, they'll find out about more of these specific item/champ combinations and hopefully use them properly.
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