EPTIt just doesnt give the same oomph that it used to, mostly because the lifesteal got cut to shit.
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
It just doesnt give the same oomph that it used to, mostly because the lifesteal got cut to shit. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On December 31 2012 12:00 Chexx wrote: what do you guys think about this? Looks terrible op Looks like SoTD With IE and possible Crit damage runes. Regular annoying Rengar to me. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 31 2012 12:11 Two_DoWn wrote: Anyone who has played long enough to see some of Phreak's old champion spotlights should know you can make anyone look good when you are against bad players (probably) with a level advantage (he seemed to have at least 2 levels in every kill), let alone the probable item advantage he had. Dyrus did SotD Rengar like 1 day into S3, He blew people up. SotD is pretty underused so far, surprisingly | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 31 2012 11:50 Zooper31 wrote: Xin & J4 definitely not, you want wriggles for clear time, tankiness, and lifesteal. Razors+Spirit has superior clear time (Maim+Butcher+Rend results in a greater increase in jungling speed than just upgraded Maim), comparable tankiness (5 less armor, but costs 100 less gold), and lifesteal doesn't outperform HP regen until your autoattack damage becomes quite high. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 31 2012 12:16 TheYango wrote: Razors+Spirit has superior clear time (Maim+Butcher+Rend results in a greater increase in jungling speed than just upgraded Rend), comparable tankiness (5 less armor, but costs 100 less gold), and lifesteal doesn't outperform HP regen until your autoattack damage becomes quite high. It still doesn't fix the fact; no team fighting stats, despite huge gold sink. And this is why I hate s3 jungle. fcking machete items. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On December 31 2012 11:52 zulu_nation8 wrote: the tankiness is neglible, wriggles probably clears a bit faster but not by that much, you're trading lifesteal for regen, but you can build spirit stone into other items. Wriggles clears lots faster on mentioned champions, 4second wraith camp is possible. And wriggles will stay with you and will only be replaced by your 6th item so it's perfectly fine with having no upgrade. Not to mention constant ward on the map. On December 31 2012 12:16 TheYango wrote: Razors+Spirit has superior clear time (Maim+Butcher+Rend results in a greater increase in jungling speed than just upgraded Maim), comparable tankiness (5 less armor, but costs 100 less gold), and lifesteal doesn't outperform HP regen until your autoattack damage becomes quite high. Why would you go razor and Spirit stone? That just seems incredibly stupid. Comparing wriggles and the spirit stone items, not wriggles vs razor+spirit, it's obvious which is faster if you do that lol. On junglers that focus on auto attacks for dmg and clear times, it's obvious which item to get. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 31 2012 12:20 xDaunt wrote: Isn't getting a razor in addition to spirit stone kinda overkill? Why not just get the spirit stone and then proceed straight to building a real damage item (presuming that you're not going to build spirit stone out any further) such as phage or brutalizer? You're right, the practicality of Razor+Spirit is questionable. But if Razor+Spirit is never something you'd practically buy, and it's by and large better than Wriggle's--why the hell would anyone actually ever buy Wriggle's then? On December 31 2012 12:22 Zooper31 wrote: Wriggles clears lots faster on mentioned champions, 4second wraith camp is possible. And wriggles will stay with you and will only be replaced by your 6th item so it's perfectly fine with having no upgrade. Not to mention constant ward on the map. Wriggle's does not clear faster than Razors+Spirit. 500 damage proc on 1/4 of your attacks vs. 360 damage proc on 1/4 of your attacks + 10 bonus true damage + 20% bonus to all other damage. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 31 2012 12:20 xDaunt wrote: Isn't getting a razor in addition to spirit stone kinda overkill? Why not just get the spirit stone and then proceed straight to building a real damage item (presuming that you're not going to build spirit stone out any further) such as phage or brutalizer? It works good only on some champs~; mostly champs who can use madreds alright. But champs that are spirit stone focused initially, probably can't make use of both. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On December 31 2012 12:23 TheYango wrote: You're right, the practicality of Razor+Spirit is questionable. But if Razor+Spirit is never something you'd practically buy, and it's by and large better than Wriggle's--why the hell would anyone actually ever buy Wriggle's then? Wriggle's does not clear faster than Razors+Spirit. 500 damage proc on 1/4 of your attacks vs. 360 damage proc on 1/4 of your attacks + 10 bonus true damage + 20% bonus to all other damage. Again im not talking comparing it to razors+ spirit. Only razors vs spirit if anything. Why did you respond to me twice saying same thing lol. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 31 2012 12:27 Zooper31 wrote: Again im not talking comparing it to razors+ spirit. Only razors vs spirit if anything. Why did you respond to me twice saying same thing lol. Because you're discussing Wriggle's. Razor's being good does not automatically imply that you want to upgrade it to Wriggle's. Razor's is worth it. Wriggle's almost never is anymore. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On December 31 2012 12:28 TheYango wrote: Because you're discussing Wriggle's. Razor's is worth it. Wriggle's almost never is anymore. Ok then problem solved. Never get wriggles, just end at razor or sightstone. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On December 31 2012 12:00 Chexx wrote: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StE-f3PqSQ8 what do you guys think about this? Looks terrible op It just seems like a gimmick build you can use for normals when you're fed. His Lee montage is really impressive though - I watched it a while ago. + Show Spoiler + I don't know if TL is the right place to say this (hi Shake) but his Lee montage is probably the montage with the most flashy plays I've seen. | ||
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TSBspartacus
England1046 Posts
Vi went support and I took jungle and we won a really long game, and it was my first time with Eve. She's so broken right now, but her kit is a lot of fun to play. Bait the team onto you, spam Q and then ult all of them and W to run away while your team clears up whats left. I didn't even build DFG, I got sightstone into twin shadows. Is the Eve nerf on the PBE or already live? | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 31 2012 12:44 EquilasH wrote: It just seems like a gimmick build you can use for normals when you're fed. His Lee montage is really impressive though - I watched it a while ago. + Show Spoiler + I don't know if TL is the right place to say this (hi Shake) but his Lee montage is probably the montage with the most flashy plays I've seen. meh, no offense to shake, but Lee Sin is just one of the flashier champions in league. A lot of the awesome looking plays on lee sins are usually a matter of hitting your Q's, and going HAM; and it looks pro as fuck. Probably one of the main reasons why I love Lee Sin. Do something awesome looking; actually surprisingly easy to do. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On December 31 2012 12:48 xes wrote: Is upgrading machete always worth it? For champs with good enough clear times I feel like saving 500g and just getting other items like sightstone (e.g. Mundo, Cho) not always. I've seen a number of ppl sit on machete and just go for other stuff. I actually need to get out of the habit of buying wriggles on every autoattack jungler. Just shows that I havn't jungled much since middle of s2 tho really, haha. On December 31 2012 12:51 wei2coolman wrote: meh, no offense to shake, but Lee Sin is just one of the flashier champions in league. A lot of the awesome looking plays on lee sins are usually a matter of hitting your Q's, and going HAM; and it looks pro as fuck. Probably one of the main reasons why I love Lee Sin. Do something awesome looking; actually surprisingly easy to do. eh, idk there's some stuff that i've seen shake do that I'm certain I can't do without significant practice with lee. Sure, he has a couple of lucky q's in there for show, but you can also pretty clearly tell that his lee is a level above the norm. IMO it's fairly easy to tell the wheat from the chaff when it comes to blind monk. | ||
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