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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
December 30 2012 21:15 GMT
#4301
Calling nautilis support makes no sense really, he's not like nunu, he scales really well with cdr and tank stats, heck even wits end is really good on him. Crucible is a terrible idea all he needs is max CDR and tank stats and maybe a wits end. He farms fast, ganks well, his only weaknesses are first 4 levels and long CDs with slow movement speed.
aka Teutonica
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 21:19:12
December 30 2012 21:18 GMT
#4302
On December 31 2012 06:02 Alaric wrote:
Ugh, Chaox even gonna build Liandry's on WW. I know the base damage on his Q has been nerfed as hell (16% max HP still strong) but still, maybe guise could be 0K but completing liandry's is dumb on him.
Also complaining about his pushing capabilities when he gets himself oom Qing creeps instead of pressing W (which he maxes last).


On lanewick I thought it was pretty standard to get E to 3 before maxing W. W doesn't let you push (creeps while solo) much faster anyway, if you need to push you can just buy sunfire.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Koenig99
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada904 Posts
December 30 2012 21:27 GMT
#4303
On December 31 2012 04:36 MooMooMugi wrote:
I was so sad I thought Chaox was doing his A-Z marathon in ranked lol


That would take so long considering this queue times are 20+ mins.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 30 2012 21:29 GMT
#4304
On December 31 2012 06:27 Koenig99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 04:36 MooMooMugi wrote:
I was so sad I thought Chaox was doing his A-Z marathon in ranked lol


That would take so long considering this queue times are 20+ mins.


And he would get trolled 100% with target bans.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 30 2012 21:29 GMT
#4305
On December 31 2012 06:18 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 06:02 Alaric wrote:
Ugh, Chaox even gonna build Liandry's on WW. I know the base damage on his Q has been nerfed as hell (16% max HP still strong) but still, maybe guise could be 0K but completing liandry's is dumb on him.
Also complaining about his pushing capabilities when he gets himself oom Qing creeps instead of pressing W (which he maxes last).


On lanewick I thought it was pretty standard to get E to 3 before maxing W. W doesn't let you push (creeps while solo) much faster anyway, if you need to push you can just buy sunfire.

Dunno about lanewick, I like the idea of if but too much popular stuff destroyed him and I don't really like how the s3 changes make me a lot less tanky.
Chaox put 5 points into E before getting W to 2 though. Also didn't press W while near Vayne and Jax during teamfights.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 30 2012 21:59 GMT
#4306
On December 31 2012 06:15 Slayer91 wrote:
Calling nautilis support makes no sense really, he's not like nunu, he scales really well with cdr and tank stats, heck even wits end is really good on him. Crucible is a terrible idea all he needs is max CDR and tank stats and maybe a wits end. He farms fast, ganks well, his only weaknesses are first 4 levels and long CDs with slow movement speed.


idk I'm not always right that much is 100% he said bad mana on a tank i suggested crucible I think it's overlooked as an item on solos/jungle.
Carrilord has arrived.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
December 30 2012 22:04 GMT
#4307
It's good but specifically on nautilus it's not because of his scaling. It works on people like skarner and maokai in the jungle really well however, because they use the mana regen from chalice really well in jungle and use the heal well because at the least they can use it when they engage to stay alive if they get cc'd.
aka Teutonica
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12058 Posts
December 30 2012 22:36 GMT
#4308
On December 31 2012 04:32 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 04:23 obesechicken13 wrote:
Flask is still fine on champs without mana.


I was actually wondering this but I don't know enough about LoL to do any proper analysis of the flask if you have no mana. Is it worth it to start flask+ward+pots on non-mana users or are there better openings?


It is pretty simple. Flask is worth 2 healpots and 1.2 manapots each time you b. If you don't use the mana, it is worth 2 healpots. It costs 225 and sells for 90. Thus, ignoring the fact that you sunk some money into it for some time, you would need to consume 135g worth of heal from your flask to make it worth it. This would be about 4 healpots. So if you go back more then between buying and selling it, it has paid for itself. The more often you go back while owning the flask, the more you gain from it. So unless you have problems with your inventory space or you don't drink any pots anymore after you go back once, getting a flask is a good idea.

The decision if you should start with it depends on how much regen you will need until you go back. Not buying a flask will enable you to have more health regen in the form of pots until you go back.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 30 2012 23:14 GMT
#4309
after thinking about it, i think a 9pot2ward opening on lee/katarina for vision and a wardhop would be pretty strong, essentially buying yourself another flash during the delicate early levels
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
December 30 2012 23:51 GMT
#4310
On December 31 2012 08:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
after thinking about it, i think a 9pot2ward opening on lee/katarina for vision and a wardhop would be pretty strong, essentially buying yourself another flash during the delicate early levels

I like this.
There's no rule saying you have to start with a basic item.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
December 30 2012 23:56 GMT
#4311
I see it on Kat in a hard lane, but I doubt you'll ever run into a Lee lane where you'd think to yourself "Hey I need 9 pots to survive".
wat
nanospartan
Profile Joined July 2011
649 Posts
December 31 2012 00:05 GMT
#4312
I got over myself and got Glacial Malphite :DDD dat Q animation
I was an athiest until I watched the Day[9] daily
Antyee
Profile Joined May 2011
Hungary1011 Posts
December 31 2012 00:10 GMT
#4313
My only problem with opening flask is that I tend to forget that I don't have boots. ~.~
"My spoon is too big."
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
December 31 2012 00:25 GMT
#4314
On December 31 2012 08:56 EquilasH wrote:
I see it on Kat in a hard lane, but I doubt you'll ever run into a Lee lane where you'd think to yourself "Hey I need 9 pots to survive".

Even if you don't use all 9 pots in your first laning session it's not like they go away. There are many games top where I really wanted wards in S2. I usually just started cloth 2 pot ward but there were definitely better options and still are now. Xpeke is running double meki mid. That's an unusual first item.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 31 2012 00:26 GMT
#4315
Well waching xpeke on Ahri he just went 2 faire charm start with mass pots against Xerath. Seems like that's more openings than I thought.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
December 31 2012 00:39 GMT
#4316
On December 31 2012 09:26 Numy wrote:
Well waching xpeke on Ahri he just went 2 faire charm start with mass pots against Xerath. Seems like that's more openings than I thought.

Boots are no longer mandatory which means you can adjust better for the matchup. Some matchups I feel like you actually need to start boots and others you can make up for poor lvl 1-5 with mass pots. 2x charm was probably because vs Xerath is just farming and build's into ... Athene's?
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 00:44:09
December 31 2012 00:42 GMT
#4317
Is wriggles really better than spirit stone on Rammus? They're all failures so far but they are adamant that wriggles is the jungling item for him, so...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 31 2012 00:45 GMT
#4318
On December 31 2012 09:39 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 09:26 Numy wrote:
Well waching xpeke on Ahri he just went 2 faire charm start with mass pots against Xerath. Seems like that's more openings than I thought.

Boots are no longer mandatory which means you can adjust better for the matchup. Some matchups I feel like you actually need to start boots and others you can make up for poor lvl 1-5 with mass pots. 2x charm was probably because vs Xerath is just farming and build's into ... Athene's?


Yea he went Chalice+Boots after first buy then into Athenes. Interesting stuff. I think Yango spoke about going charm on mana hungry mids but 2 seems a bit much.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5714 Posts
December 31 2012 00:47 GMT
#4319
On December 31 2012 09:45 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 09:39 xes wrote:
On December 31 2012 09:26 Numy wrote:
Well waching xpeke on Ahri he just went 2 faire charm start with mass pots against Xerath. Seems like that's more openings than I thought.

Boots are no longer mandatory which means you can adjust better for the matchup. Some matchups I feel like you actually need to start boots and others you can make up for poor lvl 1-5 with mass pots. 2x charm was probably because vs Xerath is just farming and build's into ... Athene's?


Yea he went Chalice+Boots after first buy then into Athenes. Interesting stuff. I think Yango spoke about going charm on mana hungry mids but 2 seems a bit much.


Charm flask and 2 pots is what I go on Ryze. Makes tear easy buy first back and if you get a kill thats boots and a ward also.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
December 31 2012 00:51 GMT
#4320
this box box guy is literally the definition of overnight E-fame, his AMA double/triples the post of some established League Personalities.
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