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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
December 30 2012 19:36 GMT
#4281
I was so sad I thought Chaox was doing his A-Z marathon in ranked lol
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
December 30 2012 19:41 GMT
#4282
He was at first but was getting 15 min queues so he changed
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14076 Posts
December 30 2012 19:41 GMT
#4283
On December 31 2012 04:32 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 04:23 obesechicken13 wrote:
Flask is still fine on champs without mana.


I was actually wondering this but I don't know enough about LoL to do any proper analysis of the flask if you have no mana. Is it worth it to start flask+ward+pots on non-mana users or are there better openings?


Its insanly woth it even on non mana persons. It'll pay for itself on the fourth pot on mana users and the sixth use for non mana users. If your not useing it for twice that by the time you hit a soft level of being item full your doing something wrong.

Flask ward a mana pot and the rest health pots is really really strong.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
December 30 2012 19:42 GMT
#4284
my guide to analyzing, empirically, whether you should buy flask: 1) play one game with it 2) say to yourself, "ah, this is broken" 3) flask!
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 19:56:09
December 30 2012 19:48 GMT
#4285
On December 31 2012 04:41 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 04:32 Numy wrote:
On December 31 2012 04:23 obesechicken13 wrote:
Flask is still fine on champs without mana.


I was actually wondering this but I don't know enough about LoL to do any proper analysis of the flask if you have no mana. Is it worth it to start flask+ward+pots on non-mana users or are there better openings?


Its insanly woth it even on non mana persons. It'll pay for itself on the fourth pot on mana users and the sixth use for non mana users. If your not useing it for twice that by the time you hit a soft level of being item full your doing something wrong.

Flask ward a mana pot and the rest health pots is really really strong.

Flask gives 100 HP per use, while a regular pot gives 150.

For non-mana champions, the breakeven point isn't until your 10th use for HP gained vs gold spent. You can eventually sell it back for 90g, which would bring it back down to 6 uses + selling it.
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NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
December 30 2012 19:55 GMT
#4286
I'd rather have 2 wards and a bunch of regular pots on my non mana using solo tops. That way I have 6 min of ward coverage already.
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 30 2012 19:57 GMT
#4287
Flask makes me sad when I buy it. Although that mostly is due to the fact its got NOTHIN on the bottle from Dota its based on.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
December 30 2012 20:05 GMT
#4288
i made some suggestions to xypherous regarding flask and how it could be made more role specific like bottle is and he pretty much said he likes that it can and should go on everyone, and that anyway it helps prevent lane snowballing.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 20:24:15
December 30 2012 20:21 GMT
#4289
On December 31 2012 04:57 Two_DoWn wrote:
Flask makes me sad when I buy it. Although that mostly is due to the fact its got NOTHIN on the bottle from Dota its based on.


Without runes/courier it will never be like a bottle though It's its own entity really.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 30 2012 20:32 GMT
#4290
On December 31 2012 05:21 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 04:57 Two_DoWn wrote:
Flask makes me sad when I buy it. Although that mostly is due to the fact its got NOTHIN on the bottle from Dota its based on.


Without runes/courier it will never be like a bottle though It's its own entity really.

except the bottle isn't weaker than a tango, and it's comparable to salve.
Carrilord has arrived.
Imperium11
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States279 Posts
December 30 2012 20:33 GMT
#4291
On December 31 2012 02:36 WhiteDog wrote:
Nautilus is great, I don't understand why he is not played more. His utility in team fight is outstanding and he is not terribly slow in the jungle.


Mana costs are brutal. He's fine when he has blue, but without it your run out insanely quickly. And since blues are given to mids 90% of the time...naut becomes a burden. That said, I agree he is underplayed and really strong in S3 jungle. You just need a non mana-user mid. Don't pair him with anivia
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 30 2012 20:43 GMT
#4292
couldn't you just buy a crucible, he's a support jungler anyway.
Carrilord has arrived.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 30 2012 20:47 GMT
#4293
His damage midgame is actually bonkers with a wit's end. But I'd rather get items like aegis, FH or locket for tankiness (and CDR, his W cooldown is so huge even when leveled up that CDR makes a lot for him) if I can avoid taking a chalice early on.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 30 2012 20:47 GMT
#4294
wtf Aranae playing jungle for ATN's ranked 5s team is this standin or official?
Carrilord has arrived.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 30 2012 20:50 GMT
#4295
He did get kicked from SK so it's possible.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 30 2012 20:51 GMT
#4296
well thats olde news but kottenex being off the team (if it's not just a standin) is news
Carrilord has arrived.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
December 30 2012 20:56 GMT
#4297
Nautilus' only real problem is his first clear. If he goes through his first clear without getting fucked, then he's fine. His jungling isn't mana hungry after the first clear, as you only really need spirit stone. Because you only really need to use one W per wolf/wraith camp after the first clear, you don't need blue buff at all after the first one. But if you get fucked during your first clear because they invaded and took your blue, invaded and killed you at any point in the midst of your first clear, or died because you screwed up a gank horrifically at lvl 3 or something, or went full retard and tried to gank at lvl 2, then you're gonna be gimped hardcore.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 21:02:32
December 30 2012 21:02 GMT
#4298
Ugh, Chaox even gonna build Liandry's on WW. I know the base damage on his Q has been nerfed as hell (16% max HP still strong) but still, maybe guise could be 0K but completing liandry's is dumb on him.
Also complaining about his pushing capabilities when he gets himself oom Qing creeps instead of pressing W (which he maxes last).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 30 2012 21:02 GMT
#4299
It's not even an issue of mana. It's an issue of his first rank W being really trashy for clearing camps while the 2nd and 3rd ranks are astronomically better because the first rank shield pops way before you finish a camp (causing you to lose a ton of damage) and the 2nd and 3rd rank don't.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
December 30 2012 21:12 GMT
#4300
The CDR you get from lvling W is pretty important too. Out of all the standard junglers, Nautilus has the roughest early game because if he falls behind in levels early then he's totally fucked because the entirety of his clearing capability lies in his W. His W is his aoe damage and his "sustain". But if you get to lvl 5 without any hiccups then you cruise through without any particular problem.
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