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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 31 2012 05:16 GMT
#4381
Lee sin pre nerf was down right stupid. His q was beyond fucking broken. That ability combined with his ridiculous w sustain made him the strongest duelist in the game. Pretty much, he could walk into the jungle at any time he wanted, cuz he would always win the 1v1
liftlift > tsm
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 05:21:00
December 31 2012 05:17 GMT
#4382
On December 31 2012 13:30 Slusher wrote:
neither of you list Eve really?


I love Eve, she was my fav champ pre rework and I was playing her mid post-rework way before it became such a craze.

On December 31 2012 14:03 EquilasH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 13:46 qanik wrote:
Nothing is more bullshit than Riven right now. She's got best lvl 2, best lvl6, best everything. She is extremly safe and easy to play. She is ressourceless and got a gap closer that can also be used as a dissengage, but the most bullshit about her is her ult being 75s CD at level 1 and 45s at level 3, and yes, that is 27s with blue buff. lol what was riot thinking.


27s with blue buff? 51% cdr, that's something I haven't seen before.. (blue buff is 20% afaik and would reduce the cooldown by 9 sec).

Anyways, here goes my most hated list:

Elise (I'm fairly certain she doesn't lose a single lane mid or top)


Wukong absolutely dunks Elise to shit. She's probably my favorite champ in the game though, especially in the jungle.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 05:18:39
December 31 2012 05:18 GMT
#4383
What I hate.
Eve, Shaco,
Khazix, Darius Kat

What I ban
Eve, kat, Lee(whatever beat me last game).
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 05:24:02
December 31 2012 05:19 GMT
#4384
Uh...
There's stuff the idea of which I don't like, but as long as they're not broken they're bearable I guess (Jayce, Riven notably, Rengar since the nerfs).
There's the bullshit that's easy to play (up to faceroll for some), very effective and is boring as fucking hell to lane against (release Jayce, Yorick, Darius, pre-nerf Rengar).
There's stuff that is retarded to lane against and annoying, as in "unfun" rather than OP (Teemo with such a safe laning if he plays pussy, while being able to bully so much if he's ahead, pre-nerf Kennen top, Cho'Gath at least in s2, I don't understand how people could whine at Morg and not say anything about Cho).
There's broken stuff that's been under the radar for so long/took so long to nerf (Anivia, release Jayce, pre-nerf Rengar).

That's most of the stuff I hate. Eve, Elise are know are super strong, but Eve it's generally the mid against her being dumb rather than the player not needing to be fed to abuse her, and I haven't seen Elise much yet.
Fizz due to his E was annoying till I learned to play around cooldowns, Ziggs because with blue his laning is boring (as the opponent), and Poppy because her passive makes her so stupid to play against with a lot of champs.


Also, fuck players focusing guys with tons of resists like, say, a Taric when the whole enemy team is grouped and there's a Karma that already got several double and a quadra earlier. Don't they learn? :/
(Granted Syndra doesn't help sniping since I don't have the range, but after Karma flash-RE'd into several of us for an instant triple at the end of a fight, you'd think they wouldn't let her untouched next time.)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
December 31 2012 05:49 GMT
#4385
I'm not a huge Lee Sin Fan, and i DESPISE AND I MEAN ABSOLUTELY FUCKING HATE AND WISH WOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE GAME CUZ ITS A WORTHLESS FUCKING HERO, that being Nidalee.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 31 2012 05:50 GMT
#4386
nathanielbee is definitely one of the more talented players in the game period, watching him play is just fun
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 31 2012 05:58 GMT
#4387
The only thing I hate are the dodgers in ARAMs.

Man up people. Seriously.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
December 31 2012 05:59 GMT
#4388
Since we are doing most hated lists (in no specific order):

Blitzcrank ( Can be complete shit, get 1 lucky grab, win game)
Draven (Can't beat him no matter what I do)
Ezreal (EVERY GAME)
Fizz (Who doesn't hate fizz?)
Jax (Less annoying than others, still)
Khazix (That leap)
Master Yi (Terrible on my team, pentakills on opponent team)
Rengar (...)
TF (Can be 0/6 and still rape your carries with that teleport stun)

Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 31 2012 06:08 GMT
#4389
Fizz does almost 0 damage....
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Imperium11
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States279 Posts
December 31 2012 06:27 GMT
#4390
On December 31 2012 05:56 koreasilver wrote:
Nautilus' only real problem is his first clear. If he goes through his first clear without getting fucked, then he's fine. His jungling isn't mana hungry after the first clear, as you only really need spirit stone. Because you only really need to use one W per wolf/wraith camp after the first clear, you don't need blue buff at all after the first one. But if you get fucked during your first clear because they invaded and took your blue, invaded and killed you at any point in the midst of your first clear, or died because you screwed up a gank horrifically at lvl 3 or something, or went full retard and tried to gank at lvl 2, then you're gonna be gimped hardcore.


I'm not entirely sure I agree with this. At least my experience indicates otherwise. If your lanes aren't especially gankable (for whatever reason) and you are forced to just farm for awhile then you will still go oom after your first clear. Though your health bar will remain untouched at least.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
December 31 2012 06:27 GMT
#4391
On December 31 2012 15:08 Sufficiency wrote:
Fizz does almost 0 damage....

He's such a snowbally hero, if he gets fed his damage is obnoxious as fuck
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 31 2012 06:30 GMT
#4392
On December 31 2012 15:27 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 15:08 Sufficiency wrote:
Fizz does almost 0 damage....

He's such a snowbally hero, if he gets fed his damage is obnoxious as fuck


And he still can't do anything in teamfights.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 06:34:54
December 31 2012 06:32 GMT
#4393
On December 31 2012 14:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 14:06 Ketara wrote:
On December 31 2012 14:03 EquilasH wrote:
On December 31 2012 13:46 qanik wrote:
Nothing is more bullshit than Riven right now. She's got best lvl 2, best lvl6, best everything. She is extremly safe and easy to play. She is ressourceless and got a gap closer that can also be used as a dissengage, but the most bullshit about her is her ult being 75s CD at level 1 and 45s at level 3, and yes, that is 27s with blue buff. lol what was riot thinking.


27s with blue buff? 51% cdr, that's something I haven't seen before.. (blue buff is 20% afaik and would reduce the cooldown by 9 sec).


45s becomes 27s with 40% CDR. Calculators are useful things, your computer probably has one built in. /mathjerk


please don't call arithmetic math

^

it's kinda funny how i can do non homogeneous, linear, second order diff eq (the solvable ones anyways) no prob, but it becomes a disaster once i try to do simple arithmetic.

edit: altho, i'm an engineer, so my diff eq teacher says my opinions on math are inconsequential ~.~
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 06:36:23
December 31 2012 06:35 GMT
#4394
On December 31 2012 14:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 14:06 Ketara wrote:
On December 31 2012 14:03 EquilasH wrote:
On December 31 2012 13:46 qanik wrote:
Nothing is more bullshit than Riven right now. She's got best lvl 2, best lvl6, best everything. She is extremly safe and easy to play. She is ressourceless and got a gap closer that can also be used as a dissengage, but the most bullshit about her is her ult being 75s CD at level 1 and 45s at level 3, and yes, that is 27s with blue buff. lol what was riot thinking.


27s with blue buff? 51% cdr, that's something I haven't seen before.. (blue buff is 20% afaik and would reduce the cooldown by 9 sec).


45s becomes 27s with 40% CDR. Calculators are useful things, your computer probably has one built in. /mathjerk


please don't call arithmetic math


http://www.math.purdue.edu/~lipman/MA598/Serre-Course in Arithmetic.pdf
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 31 2012 06:51 GMT
#4395
On December 31 2012 13:12 TheYango wrote:
I still think Riot more or less ruined what could have been the best iteration of League in that period of time when there were a bunch of things that were all separately "OP", but people discovered them one at a time, so Riot nerfed them successively--where if none of them had been nerfed, the game would have been more or less balanced once they were all discovered.

Release Nocturne + remake GP + pre-nerf Lee Sin = best iteration of the jungle. Not to mention Udyr and Rammus were also good but undiscovered yet at the time.

Best jungle iteration of all time was the 2 patches pre 1st remake when we had new masteries and the original jungle. Most entertaining games league had seen then (and id make the argument since).

So much freedom to move and make stuff happen.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
December 31 2012 07:07 GMT
#4396
On December 31 2012 08:56 EquilasH wrote:
I see it on Kat in a hard lane, but I doubt you'll ever run into a Lee lane where you'd think to yourself "Hey I need 9 pots to survive".

All you gotta do is mash W and heal to full off an entire wave anyway.
np.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 31 2012 07:13 GMT
#4397
making the obligatory disagreeing with sufficiency post that fizz is a situational mid that has a lot of aoe/burst damage, he's especially good at one shotting the backline in team fights unlike most APs.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 31 2012 07:15 GMT
#4398
Fizz kicks ass, only no one actually plays him.

If you ever have to face a Cass in lane, just pick Fizz and laugh.

Probably would work against Karthus too.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
December 31 2012 07:15 GMT
#4399
On December 31 2012 14:58 Seuss wrote:
The only thing I hate are the dodgers in ARAMs.

Man up people. Seriously.


oh yeah I hate those. If you are not comfortable with the hero pick then play blindpick.
I think it gives them a bigger ego boost if they win an aram.
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 08:27:43
December 31 2012 08:27 GMT
#4400
i only dodge aram if i get the same champ twice in a row

i mean i own like 70 of them so come on rng don't be a douche
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
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