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Zaphod Beeblebrox
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark697 Posts
December 31 2012 11:20 GMT
#4421
I have actually been playing Poppy as a support a bit. She plays much like Leona, with less CC but more damage. Her downside is that you need lvl 2-3 to do anything usefull to the enemy ADC. You also really want sheen - and that eats into your real support items. But running her with a strong duelist feels much like playing double bruiser - with the benefit of still having a ADC later.
Go try StarBow on the Arcade. TL thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440661
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
December 31 2012 11:32 GMT
#4422
On December 31 2012 20:13 HazMat wrote:
Jesus christ doublelift caitlyn is soooooooooooo gud. He just plays so calm. Every auto and right click is thought out and timed. Makes me really want to try to play Cait that way but I know I'll never be that solid.


exactly my thoughts, been trying to learn her ever since he started playing her again with Loco 1-2 months ago, have a solid 65% winrate over 40games but his caitlin just looks so godlike ~_~

Unless BLoodboil is nerfed, I wonder if teams will be smart enough to ban Nunu against CLG. He only plays Nunu cait on blueside though, because vampscepter+Doublegolems=OP
Wetty
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia419 Posts
December 31 2012 14:06 GMT
#4423
Most hated champions 2012:

Darius
... and good old Yorick (love to hate baby). Everyone else is k, but some champs have definitely seen too much play, and in some cases has lead the average skill level to be much higher with those champs than others (Ez, lee - both hard, both played well on average)
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 14:08:24
December 31 2012 14:08 GMT
#4424
On December 31 2012 17:41 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 17:32 Chrispy wrote:
I dodge on ARAM sometimes if I get some boring melee champ like Trundle. It just ain't worth it.


Whattt. Trundle is so fun. You want to sit in that brush? I SHALL DILDO YOU, GOOD SIR.

And if you really do get the same champ twice, either trade with someone or just play them differently. Like AP poppy vs AD poppy. AP rammus vs a real rammus build. etcetc


Trundle is actually really good in aram. I go tank -> max CDR and max pillar first all day and the regen from your passive from stuff dying everywhere means harass on you doesn't matter that much.

A lot of tanks/melees in ARAM are pretty underrated especially when both comps are relatively balanced in hero types. And when they aren't you can always cross your fingers and half the time your opponents will make terrible misplays and lose games they have no right losing, you just have to man up.

Xerath/Nidalee are still king and queen of aram, though, and blind pick/draft always degrades to sustain/poke wars since there are too many poke champs to ban them all.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
December 31 2012 14:15 GMT
#4425
On December 31 2012 23:08 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 17:41 BlackPaladin wrote:
On December 31 2012 17:32 Chrispy wrote:
I dodge on ARAM sometimes if I get some boring melee champ like Trundle. It just ain't worth it.


Whattt. Trundle is so fun. You want to sit in that brush? I SHALL DILDO YOU, GOOD SIR.

And if you really do get the same champ twice, either trade with someone or just play them differently. Like AP poppy vs AD poppy. AP rammus vs a real rammus build. etcetc


Trundle is actually really good in aram. I go tank -> max CDR and max pillar first all day and the regen from your passive from stuff dying everywhere means harass on you doesn't matter that much.

A lot of tanks/melees in ARAM are pretty underrated especially when both comps are relatively balanced in hero types. And when they aren't you can always cross your fingers and half the time your opponents will make terrible misplays and lose games they have no right losing, you just have to man up.

Xerath/Nidalee are still king and queen of aram, though, and blind pick/draft always degrades to sustain/poke wars since there are too many poke champs to ban them all.


Xerath is actually pretty weak unless he somehow gets a bunch of kills early and his early damage and poke is weak. Lux and gragas are easily far far stronger.

also AP yi = pull lever recieve penta
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 31 2012 14:21 GMT
#4426
Yi is by far the most op aram champion.Not even close.Also volibear is really stronk.

But aram always depends on who dignitases it harder.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
December 31 2012 14:32 GMT
#4427
On December 31 2012 23:21 nafta wrote:
Yi is by far the most op aram champion.Not even close.Also volibear is really stronk.

But aram always depends on who dignitases it harder.

Fiddle, Lulu, Blitzcrank, Soraka and Zilean are all up there, Jayce is ridiculously strong too.
currently rooting for myself.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
December 31 2012 14:33 GMT
#4428
Nidalee is pretty decent too.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 14:37:27
December 31 2012 14:35 GMT
#4429
On December 31 2012 23:15 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 23:08 phyvo wrote:
On December 31 2012 17:41 BlackPaladin wrote:
On December 31 2012 17:32 Chrispy wrote:
I dodge on ARAM sometimes if I get some boring melee champ like Trundle. It just ain't worth it.


Whattt. Trundle is so fun. You want to sit in that brush? I SHALL DILDO YOU, GOOD SIR.

And if you really do get the same champ twice, either trade with someone or just play them differently. Like AP poppy vs AD poppy. AP rammus vs a real rammus build. etcetc


Trundle is actually really good in aram. I go tank -> max CDR and max pillar first all day and the regen from your passive from stuff dying everywhere means harass on you doesn't matter that much.

A lot of tanks/melees in ARAM are pretty underrated especially when both comps are relatively balanced in hero types. And when they aren't you can always cross your fingers and half the time your opponents will make terrible misplays and lose games they have no right losing, you just have to man up.

Xerath/Nidalee are still king and queen of aram, though, and blind pick/draft always degrades to sustain/poke wars since there are too many poke champs to ban them all.


Xerath is actually pretty weak unless he somehow gets a bunch of kills early and his early damage and poke is weak. Lux and gragas are easily far far stronger.

also AP yi = pull lever recieve penta


Xerath is a million times more consistent than Lux, his Q is harder to dodge and has enough range to hit people from fog and MR stacking is pointless against him (you are leveling W second, right?). Lux is dangerous but it's much easier to stay out of her sphere of influence and her Q. She's more forgiving if you screw up positionally with root/slow, and she *is* good, but Xerath is just as impossible to catch if you play him right and even if your entire team dies Xerath is better at safely defending turrets without ultimate. I haven't found Lux to be *that* much better early on either.

AP yi is roflfun but he's not god-tier like the best pokers since teams with stuns/silence and healing reduction will ruin him.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
December 31 2012 14:37 GMT
#4430
in ARAM, Yi always penta, never not penta

Jayce > Nidalee because poke is on similar level, but jayce can be bruisin' on top of that.

Mundo also really damn strong, but not on a fiddle/sorara/blitz level.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
December 31 2012 14:54 GMT
#4431
Um, when did Riot change the rune names from stuff like "of warding" and "of desolation" etc. to what they actually do (warding = mr, desolation = arpen)? Just noticed they changed it.
ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 14:56:01
December 31 2012 14:54 GMT
#4432
ARAM wise, Malph is pretty strong. I've noticed that 2 carries + 3 tanky divers is really really hard to beat. Galio is also a beast.

EDIT: It was when the S2 -> S3 changes went live.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
December 31 2012 15:01 GMT
#4433
On December 31 2012 23:54 Dusty wrote:
Um, when did Riot change the rune names from stuff like "of warding" and "of desolation" etc. to what they actually do (warding = mr, desolation = arpen)? Just noticed they changed it.


Around S3 time, I believe. It's only been like that for a little.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 31 2012 15:53 GMT
#4434
On December 31 2012 23:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
in ARAM, Yi always penta, never not penta

Jayce > Nidalee because poke is on similar level, but jayce can be bruisin' on top of that.

Mundo also really damn strong, but not on a fiddle/sorara/blitz level.

Nid does way more damage without items than Jayce, plus you only have to wait for one CD instead of two so you can spam your spears much faster. Also Nid doesn't need to be tanky because you can just stand a million miles away from everyone and still land a spear in their face that chunks them for 1/4 of their health even if you don't have any items. AP Yi and Nid are my two most hated ARAM champs to play against. Also Janna is annoying, I'm like a tornado magnet.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 16:00:53
December 31 2012 16:00 GMT
#4435
My most hated champion of 2012 is definitely Lee Sin (Yorick doesn't count as he's hate all the time). Chance to see a good Lee Sin is 5%, 95% of the time it's god damn awful Lee Sins who build damage and do nothing once the team fighting starts. Or the ones that hit Q and then do it again but they over estimate the range on his safe guard and get stunned and die.

As far as ARAM goes Nidalee difinitely the strongest. You do so much damage with just one Amplifying Tome it's insane.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
December 31 2012 16:11 GMT
#4436
I was bored last week so I decided to go TRISTANA ONLY OR FEED on a smurf account that i didn't play on after Elo reset yet.

Oh, I forgot how fun Tristana was
In lane always kill, in teamfight always carry
I expected it to get harder once I got out of baddie elos, but the rapetrain just ain't got no brakes.
I'm gonna go big! (on small girl)
A backwards poet writes inverse.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
December 31 2012 16:13 GMT
#4437
On January 01 2013 01:11 Dandel Ion wrote:
I was bored last week so I decided to go TRISTANA ONLY OR FEED on a smurf account that i didn't play on after Elo reset yet.

Oh, I forgot how fun Tristana was
In lane always kill, in teamfight always carry
I expected it to get harder once I got out of baddie elos, but the rapetrain just ain't got no brakes.
I'm gonna go big! (on small girl)


My Level-18 friend is always playing Trist, so I run Leona with him. Always go ham, never not go ham. 60% of the time it works EVERY TIME.*

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* the other 40% is when my noob friend lets me die. And by 'work' I mean I get all the kills and LEONA CARRY
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
December 31 2012 16:15 GMT
#4438
Anyone know if the NA S3 online qualifiers are going to be streamed? They start this week right?
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
December 31 2012 16:15 GMT
#4439
Happy New Year TL!

2013 promises a lot. However, is everyone prepared and will everything be delivered as promised I wonder....?
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
December 31 2012 16:18 GMT
#4440
On January 01 2013 01:15 MoonBear wrote:
Happy New Year TL!

2013 promises a lot. However, is everyone prepared and will everything be delivered as promised I wonder....?


Ask that slacker Chiharu. He's never on the ball.

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Happy New Season TL!
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
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