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hello everyone,
I started play LoL a month ago, just to try it out. Atm, im just solo queuing normal games on my own, since all my friends only play CoD and FiFa on the ps3.. But how on earth did you guys reach level 30 without quiting?
im trying to play as much games a day i can. about 5 to 10, depends on the length of the games, but right now, i'm at the point, that i never want to touch the game again. If i play a game, i wanna be as good as possible, but also play on the ladder. I bought a XP boost, and still it's taking so long to level 30.
But that's not my main point. The problem im facing right now, are the people im getting grouped with. Im not saying im a good player at all, im just level 12. But im allways trying to pick something what the group needs.. so mostly im stuck playing support, but i also play mid and top quite often, but i also only pick champions im known with. Everytime when i'm thinking of buying a new champion or something, i learn everything about them to read of forums etc. But it seems no-one gives a f*ck what you pick, or what other pick.. for instance, i just had a game, 2 people instant lock-in on mid champs, both QQing that they are mid, and the other 2 pick AD, and both wanna play bot, but not with eachother.. At that point, i feel we lost the game already.. I don't even want to play with these people anymore, trying to be nice, and get the best out of it..
Then when i'm finally in-game, the true pain starts.. no-one listens to eachother, everyone playing their own single player game. Almost no teamwork.. It annoys me so much, that i wonder how people even reached level 30, bofore uninstalling the game, and never touch it again..
Right now, im just at the point of never playing this again.. Not because the game itself isn't fun, but just the people playing it. People told me, it will be better when you hit level 30, and play ranked. But how to deal with this shit for so long then?
So please dear TL lol players, how did you keep urself playing this game, with these people. How to make it fun..
please help me, i really wanna own the Ladders up 
thx in advance ^^
PS
Not all of my games are going like this, but i would say about 70% of them.. Played 4 games today so far, and all lost in the first 20min, due to people not wanna play as a team, arguing about stupid shit, not listening to eachother, and retarded lock-ins
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If you already want to quit at level 12, then chances are you actually WANT to quit.
I manage(d) to keep playing because I enjoy the game. That should be the only important thing.
It will take a LOT more games until 30, and imo while leveling, the "worst" levels are 20-25.
I suppose you played for like, a week? Should be around there if you play 5 games/day.
Then just focus on improving yourself. Should be plenty to do. You can't improve your teammates. And if you don't enjoy playing, don't force yourself.
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That's about how most games go early on- the best way (I think) to get through it is to just play a lot and play whoever you feel like, even if it doesn't match the meta, until you notice other people not doing the same. It'll make your team composition look really stupid a lot of the time, but its a lot more fun than trying to make everyone play well at that level. Besides, the other team is just as bad as your teammates, so you shouldn't be concerned with your team's skill. It's usually a lot more fun to do what you want instead of what you think you need to do at low levels.
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One piece of advise I'd give is not to play a hard support pre-30. At all. Unless you're with a player you know and trust. You're reliant on the carry not sucking, and if the carry is bad at last-hitting, there is literally nothing you can do to win your lane. If you want to play a "support" role, play a champion that can get by on less farm and buy some wards, but has an actual role besides babysitting the carry. Alistar is really good for this, since he can be a decent tank later in the game, and isn't worthless if your carry is bad. You can play him pure support if your carry is decent by pumping Triumphant Roar and adjusting your item build but if your carry sucks, you can abandon that plan and go for Q and W, start last-hitting in earnest yourself, and play a tanky Alistar instead.
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On December 13 2012 22:46 FSKi wrote:
This doesn't go away when you hit 30 and play ranked. It gets slightly better in the sense that people don't usually end up picking multiple of the same role, but either people won't communicate during picks and you get a shit team comp, or everyone argues over positions and you lose because people are playing stuff they don't know. I played a ranked game with a Sona yesterday who didn't have support masteries, bought no wards all game, auto attacked the lane, took my cs, and fed the enemy adc 0-4. The worst part about it was that person called support in the first place. Unfortunately, because it's a free game, there are a lot of retards at the low level. If you're trying to advance in ELO, I'd recommend playing jungle or mid primarily, because it gives the most opportunity to roam and have a larger impact on the early to mid game. I've been trying to learn bot lane personally, playing adc and support in ranked. I've learned adc is too dependent on support and jungler to effectively "carry" a game if other positions aren't playing up to par.
I'll never understand people who solo queue. I refuse to play without another person that I know. 2 players can carry a game so much better than 1
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Some people don't know other level 30 LoL players, others don't know enough that they always have a friend available when they feel like a game or two.
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Playing LoL alone is like 5on5 Counterstrike on public server. NO FUN AT ALL.
Get 2-3 friends playing with you. Even with a whole team i never enjoyed the game. I got DOTA2 Beta, same shit diffrent game. Since there are no mechanics to train massing games on yourself will just be frustrating and boring since you always will get players (like me) that play once a month and after 10 minutes of farming try to attack and die instantly feeding the rest of the time.
Get a Team, or play Starcraft 1v1.
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Just practice mechanics during those games. Create challenges for yourself, like a certain cs count at 20 mins. This way you challenge yourself, even if the match or team is complete shite.
Try a lot of champions just for the sake of learning.
Try out different item builds.
It will get better already at like lvl 20 anyway, at least compared to lvl 1-10
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Don't play support before 30. There really just ins't a reason for it. Just play random champs and go on runs with ones you think are fun. Don't respect the meta when you don't have runes or masteries to worry about.
You really just gotta concentrate on trying to have fun. don't burn yourself out trying to be srs at all about it you'll have plenty of time to do that when you get to 30 like the rest of us.
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On December 13 2012 23:21 Sermokala wrote:
Don't play support before 30. There really just ins't a reason for it. Just play random champs and go on runs with ones you think are fun. Don't respect the meta when you don't have runes or masteries to worry about.
You really just gotta concentrate on trying to have fun. don't burn yourself out trying to be srs at all about it you'll have plenty of time to do that when you get to 30 like the rest of us.
ye, quited picking support from today.. When your AD sucks, there is absolutly nothing you can do on winning the lane, and you're quite useless the whole game on 
i think i just gonna find a few people to play normals with.. when i played as support, and had a good AD, we could easly carry the game together ^^
thx for all the reactions so far
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The ignore button is your friend :3
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On December 14 2012 00:32 nanospartan wrote:
The ignore button is your friend :3
Then they'll probably report me for not communicating
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On December 14 2012 00:39 McDutch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 00:32 nanospartan wrote:
The ignore button is your friend :3 Then they'll probably report me for not communicating
Out of 1000 reports, 1 is probably for not communicating  I agree with nano, ignore ppl you dont get along with or that are annoying and focus on the game.
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On December 14 2012 00:12 McDutch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 23:21 Sermokala wrote:
Don't play support before 30. There really just ins't a reason for it. Just play random champs and go on runs with ones you think are fun. Don't respect the meta when you don't have runes or masteries to worry about.
You really just gotta concentrate on trying to have fun. don't burn yourself out trying to be srs at all about it you'll have plenty of time to do that when you get to 30 like the rest of us. ye, quited picking support from today.. When your AD sucks, there is absolutly nothing you can do on winning the lane, and you're quite useless the whole game on i think i just gonna find a few people to play normals with.. when i played as support, and had a good AD, we could easly carry the game together ^^ thx for all the reactions so far
You managed to shove adc and support in one lane? with at least one of them understanding what their roles are? this is more than I have ever achieved in solo blind pick. I don't understand what are you complaining at:-)))))))))))) Playing blind regardless of levels, you have to forget about meta-game, no one gives a shit about it, you play with whatever you feel most comfortable or whatever you like and just try to have fun. don't try to make them playing as a team- useless (maybe in few games you can do it, but the overall effort doesnt pay off)
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look for mates at the chat channels, most of the people who are looking for a team are also frustrated with
random players so they behave a lot better..
Add every player who acts nice so you can play with him again
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-play with friends with voice chat
-get excited collecting champions and runes
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On level 1 to level 30 i just played solo, it was very stressfull because there are a lot of feeders, low skilled players (like me) and people who pick the same role than others (I am a metagame whore). So my 70% of games are pure loss (still). I have 296 wins so far and i dont think i will touch ranked because it will be harder.
In short words, the leveling experience for me was pretty hard and long, i could be different for others.
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Don't play alone. It's as simple as that. LoL alone is at best a mediocre game, especially the levelling part. LoL with 2-5 people is a lot more fun.
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I didn't find it so bad.
When i go into an f2p game, i compare it to buying a cheap pc game £20/$30.
I bought a week long exp boost and several of the per game boosts.
Just played like mad with one other friend (we used to play sc2 1v1 and dota2 a lot) so we we're both far and away the better players in every match.
I can't remember the exact numbers but i think i was getting 500ish exp per game.
When i had nobody to play with i'd grind out solo bot (1v1) games just perfecting my last hit and winning at 11 minute mark for fast exp. 6 of those per hour roughly, pulling in 200+ exp per game.
By the time we hit level 30 we only had about 60 normal wins (60:35 iirc) and quite a lot of the 11 minute drills (also useful for perfecting jungle runs).
I gotta say, playing ranked was fucking awful. The skill level was SO much lower. In our first game (i play support) my AD friend went 20/0 and i was on something like 2/0/20 playing soraka.
turns out the only way we can enjoy the game is playing normals, we get consistently close and challenging games. We tried to stick with ranked, but even at 1600 elo everyone is still so much worse than in the normals.
tl;dr it starts bad and only gets worse.
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Get your friends hooked on the game. I refused to play for whatever reason, I can't really remember anymore, but my friends kept on harassing me ("big game, so huge and fun come play with us gogogogogo l0l0l0l") until I joined them. We were 2 or 3 people and then found a lot more players out there. Now we're a consistent group of 6-10 people and almost always there is someone online for a game. You don't need a full premade to enjoy the game, just 1 or 2 people you really love playing with.
I can remember my times below level 30 and it took me quite a while, too, but I think it's good because the game is pretty deep if you never played a MOBA game before.
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As a side-note don't play support pre-30. Support exists under the assumption that the AD takes all the farm. If the AD is only capable of farming about 1/3 of the lane then you can last hit happily without messing things up too much.
Which in turn means the AD shouldn't be bot and should get a solo lane.
But no-one peels anyway so AD's are far weaker than normal and bruisers are king.
Which means metagame is totally irrelevent.
Just pick what you like playing, buy some wards (assuming they have a jungler) and go kill shit. I know it's bad solo-queue mentality of kills mean everything but they really do when everyone is terrible. Easy kills are worth more gold than farm/objectives.
PS: If 2 AD's are demanding bot, or you end up with like trio mid or something then just let them. I kid you not you are more likely to win with these trolls than otherwise. Imagine an enemy AP mid walks to lane and finds he's up against 3 people. He doesn't want to get zoned because thats boring so he dies repeatedly. Team doesn't want to help because they're all filling their roles fine. Blame gets thrown around and opposing team rages out.
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As people said, play with friends. I'm lvl 24 now, it's really taking a long time to level up, but if you play with friends and have fun you won't care that much. The downside is that if your friend is already 30, you'll get matched with lvl 30 too, and it'll be hard for you as you won't have masteries/runes.
If you solo queue, you should have able to roflstomp everybody if you have some practice and play mid or jungle, I'm a rather bad dota player, but when I started playing LoL I was able to single handedly win most of my solo games before lvl 15 (and I'll emphasize that I'm really bad).
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How I got to level 30 was playing with friends. Just play to have fun, when I was getting to level 30 I didn't know what champs should go where. I ended up playing shen garen bot lanes, hiding in bushes with taunt at level 1. It's really fun getting 5 people and just doing stupid stuff like ultimate bravery, all mid pushes or random jungles. I think at this point I'm better at AP Taric jungle than a lot of standard junglers.
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On December 14 2012 01:15 DwarfTherapist wrote:
I didn't find it so bad.
When i go into an f2p game, i compare it to buying a cheap pc game £20/$30.
I bought a week long exp boost and several of the per game boosts.
Just played like mad with one other friend (we used to play sc2 1v1 and dota2 a lot) so we we're both far and away the better players in every match.
I can't remember the exact numbers but i think i was getting 500ish exp per game.
When i had nobody to play with i'd grind out solo bot (1v1) games just perfecting my last hit and winning at 11 minute mark for fast exp. 6 of those per hour roughly, pulling in 200+ exp per game.
By the time we hit level 30 we only had about 60 normal wins (60:35 iirc) and quite a lot of the 11 minute drills (also useful for perfecting jungle runs).
I gotta say, playing ranked was fucking awful. The skill level was SO much lower. In our first game (i play support) my AD friend went 20/0 and i was on something like 2/0/20 playing soraka.
turns out the only way we can enjoy the game is playing normals, we get consistently close and challenging games. We tried to stick with ranked, but even at 1600 elo everyone is still so much worse than in the normals.
tl;dr it starts bad and only gets worse.
Your either exaggerating about your relative skill in ranked or you haven't played enough games to reach your true elo so your normal elo is much higher.
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I had a weird lv 1-25 experience apprently cause all I did was play Co-OP vs AI from 1-25 and just work on my csing in solo lane with whatever champs I had and then when I got to playign Normals at 25 I was surprised at how bad people were at last hitting and just carried games quickly to lv30 on cs alone.
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On December 14 2012 01:45 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 01:15 DwarfTherapist wrote:
I didn't find it so bad.
When i go into an f2p game, i compare it to buying a cheap pc game £20/$30.
I bought a week long exp boost and several of the per game boosts.
Just played like mad with one other friend (we used to play sc2 1v1 and dota2 a lot) so we we're both far and away the better players in every match.
I can't remember the exact numbers but i think i was getting 500ish exp per game.
When i had nobody to play with i'd grind out solo bot (1v1) games just perfecting my last hit and winning at 11 minute mark for fast exp. 6 of those per hour roughly, pulling in 200+ exp per game.
By the time we hit level 30 we only had about 60 normal wins (60:35 iirc) and quite a lot of the 11 minute drills (also useful for perfecting jungle runs).
I gotta say, playing ranked was fucking awful. The skill level was SO much lower. In our first game (i play support) my AD friend went 20/0 and i was on something like 2/0/20 playing soraka.
turns out the only way we can enjoy the game is playing normals, we get consistently close and challenging games. We tried to stick with ranked, but even at 1600 elo everyone is still so much worse than in the normals.
tl;dr it starts bad and only gets worse. Your either exaggerating about your relative skill in ranked or you haven't played enough games to reach your true elo so your normal elo is much higher.
My normal Elo is also higher than the ranked one.
I can tell because the people play so much better in normals.
So I just don't play ranked nowadays. The shiny Elo number is meaningless to me, and it's way easier on playing with friends, because they give themselves less pressure or something like that. More fun.
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On December 14 2012 01:45 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 01:15 DwarfTherapist wrote:
tl;dr it starts bad and only gets worse. Your either exaggerating about your relative skill in ranked or you haven't played enough games to reach your true elo so your normal elo is much higher.
He averages 10cs/min every game, 190ish by 20 mins.
I'm good with bltiz/taric/naughtysupporty and i don't mind playing shit like soraka/sona when needed. Last season his average kd was 15:1 and 300cs/game.
You're right about not playing enough ranked to get elo up, we've had games where we literally get 30/0 and destroy our lane, yet somehow team scores are like 30-44 and you realize nobody else has done anything other than run into towers over and over. It's pretty hard to roam from bot, can only realistically help mid.
We went on a 15 win streak but it just ended up boring. The game feels like if you don't absolutely destroy the entire game, you'll lose because the other 3 invariably can't cs and can't stop dying. people say "carry harder" but.. it's not happening.
We've switched to jungle/mid to have more influence on the game and coordinate ganks, but it's just depressing. It's like running a childminding service, cleaning up everyones puke and crap.
Not the game for me any more ;p
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This is literally some of the biggest bullshit I have ever read, and I've read some pretty massive bull in my time.
You guys are somehow natural progamers, but you can't even carry bads to reach your superstar elo which is supposedly way higher than 1600 where "people keep running into towers"? And that's why you play normals with people who started the game 10 days ago, who are supposedly better than ranked players? And you own these 2k elo quality players 30/0 because they are good?
El oh el. Sure man, you're not married to Adriana Lima because you've had too much pussy and now it's all boring. And you're not an UFC champ because you beat up 7 adults when you were in grade school and now you're banned from cage fighting for life.
Let me tell you a secret. You can't play and you can't stand getting owned, and that's why you're stomping beginners in normal games while everyone else is making their way up the very accurate elo system. Your rationalizations are ridiculous and borderline insane, but in this game, I guess that makes you fit right in with the crowd. Comedy 
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Yeah, don't expect to play a standard game in unranked. Everybody will just pick random stuff because they want to test different builds or champions. But hey, this is what you should be doing too. Test champs in order to get better at them and also improve your play (csing, map awareness, decision making, etc.). It is a competitive game, so just the feeling of getting better at it should give you joy.
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OK here's what you need to do find some friends who play Lol or make your current friends play, its not hard everyone is or has been in your position so most people are looking for people to play with too, first of all its much easier to win if you are actually talking to your team, not typing, second its just more fun that way. Simberto above me put it better "Don't play alone"
GLHF its a great game once you get some people to play with, also ARAM.
EDIT This is literally some of the biggest bullshit I have ever read, and I've read some pretty massive bull in my time.
You guys are somehow natural progamers, but you can't even carry bads to reach your superstar elo which is supposedly way higher than 1600 where "people keep running into towers"? And that's why you play normals with people who started the game 10 days ago, who are supposedly better than ranked players? And you own these 2k elo quality players 30/0 because they are good?
SO true
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it just gets worse. way worse.
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On December 14 2012 02:29 MrF wrote:OK here's what you need to do find some friends who play Lol or make your current friends play, its not hard everyone is or has been in your position so most people are looking for people to play with too, first of all its much easier to win if you are actually talking to your team, not typing, second its just more fun that way. Simberto above me put it better "Don't play alone" GLHF its a great game once you get some people to play with, also ARAM. EDIT Show nested quote +This is literally some of the biggest bullshit I have ever read, and I've read some pretty massive bull in my time.
You guys are somehow natural progamers, but you can't even carry bads to reach your superstar elo which is supposedly way higher than 1600 where "people keep running into towers"? And that's why you play normals with people who started the game 10 days ago, who are supposedly better than ranked players? And you own these 2k elo quality players 30/0 because they are good? SO true
Same thing in SC2. People always say "I'm am in silver, but my true level is diamond" or shit like that and blame the fact that they don't play ladder. Same thing with the idiots who think they are going to become progamers if they quit school, as if that's the only thing holding them back.
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Uh yea getting to like lvls 20-24 is a piece of cake.24 to 30 solo is hell.
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As you've already come to realize and others have pointed out, your downfall was playing supports, which doesn't work out well when you are forced to support bad teammates. Once you hit level 30 though support can be very rewarding to play as you'll get teammates who actually appreciate and understand all you are doing to support them.
I leveled up to 30 doing solo q (aside from playing duo with my gf, in which we win about 50% of games tops), I felt overall it was a good learning experience - and I had a good deal of fun as well, maybe it's because I'm a relatively patient person...
I actually have yet to try ranked games, I feel I'm not quite good enough yet (I think my game sense is very good, but my last hitting is still sub-par) but based on what you said maybe I should give it a try. Even going from normal blind pick games to normal draft games the level of play seems quite a bit higher, I figured ranked would be even tougher, not to mention a lot more anger and stress being thrown around between teammates. I'm guess still having too much fun with the game itself (learning/unlocking new heros) and improving to care about rank... remember in the end it is just a GAME, play it in which ever way gives you the most pleasure!
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Funny thing about league of legends.
Go ahead and quit.
You will be back. You do not know why. But you will be. And you will enjoy it again.
Ranked is still a sesspool. For normals the trick is to play with at least one other person IF you want to win more consistently. Or ideally play with 3-5 people for more team oriented games (opposition will be teams as well).
I was 1900 S2 and the games are much better than low ELO but it is tough to get there. Currently I am trolling at ~1200 elo (by trolling I mean going 25-2 with akali) and the attitude of people is disgusting. It is amazing to see how upset people are at this elo!
Long story short, friend people you enjoyed playing with
This is KEY. I have so many friends from league that I met through this game. They are all on my skype list and I know them all really well. I play other games with them all the time and we are just great internet friends. Without them I would have quit sure. But that goes for every game.
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Also I have to say. DO NOT MAIN SUPPORT.
You will be a crippled player if you do this. Play at least 2 roles. One of ADC/Top/Mid (lane practice) and jungler (so you understand the jungle and flow of the game, map control concepts).
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Seriously dude, do yourself a favor and get like 3-4 champs for every role (the cheap ones are fine) and try Normal draft. It's soooo much better than blind pick where people just instalock.
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On December 14 2012 02:57 Argoth. wrote:
Seriously dude, do yourself a favor and get like 3-4 champs for every role (the cheap ones are fine) and try Normal draft. It's soooo much better than blind pick where people just instalock.
^ yes this. Some people flame you if you don't have runes or aren't level 30 though...
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I see so many people moan about ranked and how the skill level is lower.. fact is it is not.. if your good enough, you will rise and rise quickly.. i accept i am about a 1500 player and thats about where i currently sit (i used to be 1800 but i stoped playing for months and now i am rusty as), I crush the people at 13-1400 however sometimes i will lose the odd game as somebody on another team will crush harder than me.
I find normal to be a complete waste of time, I am currently learning shaco / skarner for my jungle and i notice normals are just awful, people dont ward, people play stupid charas as they dont want to support, I had signed GP bot a few days ago but i don't care as it's only normals and it doesnt matter if you lose. The only reason normal is "nicer" is because people have nothing to lose if they do lose, were as in ranked they lose that hard earned elo so they get pissed off when you feed.
Also this pre-season i was 2-6 down to 1100ish elo, I am now 1480ish? i won 14 straight to be like 18-6 as i just rolled the lower level players.
My advice is to pick aggressive champs or champs which are global. Shen, TF, Karth (Globals)
Ahri, Cassi, Ori, Kat (Aggressive)
If you kill your enemy enough then you snowball and you win as long as you can cs well also
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On December 14 2012 02:57 Argoth. wrote:
Seriously dude, do yourself a favor and get like 3-4 champs for every role (the cheap ones are fine) and try Normal draft. It's soooo much better than blind pick where people just instalock.
I agree that you don't have to deal with insta-lockers, but what you deal with instead is
a) dodging - even though the games are not ranked, you'll still get tons of dodgers compared to blind pick game - it's fucking ridiculous.
b) IF no one dodges, the game takes a good 5-10 extra minutes to actually start compared to a blind pick game.
So in the end, if you play draft, you aren't going to be able to play as many games given the amount of free time you may have, although the overall quality of your games will likely be higher. That being said, if I were still in the leveling stage, I would NOT play draft, as it would take a LOOONG time to get enough XP to reach 30.
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On December 14 2012 03:05 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 02:57 Argoth. wrote:
Seriously dude, do yourself a favor and get like 3-4 champs for every role (the cheap ones are fine) and try Normal draft. It's soooo much better than blind pick where people just instalock. ^ yes this. Some people flame you if you don't have runes or aren't level 30 though...
Only problem with normal draft if you're trying to level is the amount of time it can take between games. You have to sit and wait through at least one ban/pick setup but there's a pretty good chance someone is gonna ragequit before the game starts. My worst so far is 4 drafts before we hit the loading screen =D If you just want to play, keep doing normals blind. That said, I agree that draft helps with role assignments and filtering out a few of the more obvious trolls.
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i played normal blinds from 1-30. it was fine.
when you start playing and you watch streams and stuff, you feel like there's a way the game is "supposed" to be played.
stop.
what you need to do is recognize how to win with the hand that you're given. if you have 3 bruisers and 2 AP mids, it's not like the game is over. there are advantages that the team has. figure out how to play it. that's how the game becomes fun. if you play hard support and your AD carry is crappy and autoattacking the wave, maybe you shouldn't be playing hard support and buying support items. maybe you need to steal cs and build different items. maybe you need to roam.
be flexible. work on enjoying the game. don't expect the game to follow a certain protocol, and try to make the best of your situation.
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for me normal games are for learning the champions, trying out new builds, or champion comps. I try to play all champions of the new free pool and I never read any forums or so about them because I belive it's much benefitiale to think about what items are good yourself (and try them obviously). Latter when you want to get more into buisiness with one champ I consider reading a guide and like, yeah... makes sense that they suggeste that skill order etc.
tldr:
Normale = training games
ranked = srs buisiness
Even though I am level 30 and 13xx ranked, I am very new to LoL, because I, like you went through leveling with lvl boost and then started playing ranked right away. (I can't belive that played with 400 normal wins are below 1300^^)
Either way, while playing r anked I realized how few champs I actually knew, and that's why I am leveling a new acc to play all the champions again and get a grip of them without getting flamed 24/7 for not knowing how to play them perfectly. I enjoy it alot, and for break I play some ranked games on my main.
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Play with friends. Can't stress that part enough.
I think the most fun I had on League was grinding 1-30 with some friends. Didn't matter that we all blew, especially the fake 30s, but it was entertaining and real fun.
I honestly don't think I'd be still playing League if I didn't grind 1-30 with friends.
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yeah always play with your friends. I grinded through 1-30 by role playing our champions in all chat while playing. that was fun
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Yeah, play with friends. If possible, get a bunch of friends to all start so you're all leveling up at the same time. It makes it much much more enjoyable.
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I don't think I could play this game at all if I didn't have friends that play. Makes it more fun when you win because you have people to enjoy it with, and less bad when you lose because you can QQ together about teammates.
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i'd play more of this game if i didn't always think that riot is just screwing with its players by designing this system, where you the player has to put in a lot of time to unlock things that in turn gain value because you yourself has put in the work. it's selling a platform, which is the way to go for microtransaction stuff, but by buying into the model you are screwing yourself out of a lot of time.
it is just too devious to make me feel that i'm not raping myself by playing.
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Don't pick what your team needs. Why? because at that level the most probable thing to happen is that you will not have a jungler/support. All brusiers, all carries, all ad, all ap. Different things can happen, but you will need a lot of things to fill that your team will need that most of the time will be impossible.
You can fill ap/ad tho, or tank or damage. Basic stuff.
I was able to play the game on early levels because me and friends started playing together.
We played with a jungler since level 5 or 6... and we did not play without jungler since then. We played with support since level 19 and the same story. And now we have a team that is willing to learn team basic stuff like team comp, some strategies and start theorycrafting.
So what's the secret? try to make friends in the game. Meet some people, talk nicely with friends and learn together.
Btw, my team are my friends of Starcraft:Broodwar, so it was pretty easy for us to make a team.
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On December 13 2012 22:31 McDutch wrote:hello everyone, I started play LoL a month ago, just to try it out. Atm, im just solo queuing normal games on my own, since all my friends only play CoD and FiFa on the ps3.. But how on earth did you guys reach level 30 without quiting? im trying to play as much games a day i can. about 5 to 10, depends on the length of the games, but right now, i'm at the point, that i never want to touch the game again. If i play a game, i wanna be as good as possible, but also play on the ladder. I bought a XP boost, and still it's taking so long to level 30. But that's not my main point. The problem im facing right now, are the people im getting grouped with. Im not saying im a good player at all, im just level 12. But im allways trying to pick something what the group needs.. so mostly im stuck playing support, but i also play mid and top quite often, but i also only pick champions im known with. Everytime when i'm thinking of buying a new champion or something, i learn everything about them to read of forums etc. But it seems no-one gives a f*ck what you pick, or what other pick.. for instance, i just had a game, 2 people instant lock-in on mid champs, both QQing that they are mid, and the other 2 pick AD, and both wanna play bot, but not with eachother.. At that point, i feel we lost the game already.. I don't even want to play with these people anymore, trying to be nice, and get the best out of it.. Then when i'm finally in-game, the true pain starts.. no-one listens to eachother, everyone playing their own single player game. Almost no teamwork.. It annoys me so much, that i wonder how people even reached level 30, bofore uninstalling the game, and never touch it again.. Right now, im just at the point of never playing this again.. Not because the game itself isn't fun, but just the people playing it. People told me, it will be better when you hit level 30, and play ranked. But how to deal with this shit for so long then? So please dear TL lol players, how did you keep urself playing this game, with these people. How to make it fun.. please help me, i really wanna own the Ladders up thx in advance ^^ PS Not all of my games are going like this, but i would say about 70% of them.. Played 4 games today so far, and all lost in the first 20min, due to people not wanna play as a team, arguing about stupid shit, not listening to eachother, and retarded lock-ins
You try to mute people as soon as they show signs of arguing. Don't unmute no matter what.
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On December 14 2012 03:51 Roffles wrote:
Play with friends. Can't stress that part enough.
I think the most fun I had on League was grinding 1-30 with some friends. Didn't matter that we all blew, especially the fake 30s, but it was entertaining and real fun.
I honestly don't think I'd be still playing League if I didn't grind 1-30 with friends.
I grinded 1-30 with TL, and that's why I love you guys.
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I was the first of my friends to discover league, and I went 1-30 alone. Actually, at your level (I think mine was around lvl 13-15) about all interest in the game disappeared.....I played about 2-3 games a week. Then, slowly, I started getting into the game more and more, and slowly my interest was greater than when I started playing. It's interesting to hear someone else lose interest at around this lvl.
I actually ONLY played easy bots and bots alone when I started playing league, and when I had played enough against easy that I felt it was too easy and knew what I was doing, I started doing intermediate bots (although imo they are stronger now than they used to be). Winning was nice, but it wasnt my goal, my main goal was to learn what the different champions did and what all the items were. When the new week free champions came up, I would go back to easy bots and play once or twice with the new champions who I didnt know anything about so I could learn without getting killed by intermediate bots. Same when I started playing normals, I would go back to bots to learn the new champs. I find it interesting to play all the champions to learn about their kits and what they do, and when I found champions I really really liked then I would get them, otherwise I just stuck to free weeks. Once I hit somewhere around lvl 12-14, I started doing normal games against people, because I wanted to learn how the real game of LoL worked with people, because bots will be bots and are utterly predictable. Here is my experience with lvling 1-30 playing normals against people:
-the lower your level, the greater the chance of leavers, and the greater the chance of whining, both by feeding complainers and by ragers who hate you for trying to have fun learning the game.
Unless you have a driven need to play against people, dont start normals til lvl 20 at least. lvls 20-30 there are less leavers, and (generally) less ragers/arguing ppl. I really hated the people who would be so mean when all we were playin was a game, why so mad ppl... And honestly up to lvl 20 (And beyond) your still learning champions and items and mechanics like last hitting, and playing against ppl can get in the way of that (probes and pylons most useful skill to have). 20-30 (and of course beyond) is great to understand how other people play, in general of course, like learning when its dangerous to go farm that minion wave or when you can get away with it. (Honestly over 350 normal games wins and I still sometimes get an adc on my team who goes into the jungle alone when the other team is all mia and all our outer towers our down and gets killed repeatedly. Causes me lots of face-palms). People calling you out for being bad never really goes away, however the difference is that the better you are, you will play with better people, so when they call you out for being bad, they probably have a point, whereas at lower elo (or any lvl below 30) people half the time get mad at you for doing the right thing, so dont listen to them (example, you are walking behind someone overextending and when they get jumped by 4 people you leave and when they die they blame you for not helping, like it was your fault they died. Dont listen to them, you not feeding was the best play.)
If you play until you are lvl 30, then set all your masteries up and buy a few pages of runes. (I didnt buy runes til lvl 30. Personally I really liked playing with a 'handicap' by not having runes until 30. I felt it forced me to be better. Once i bought them, that week of league was fun, lots of wins, because my current skill level without runes was now my current skill level with lots of boosted stats. Resulted in me getting kills I wouldnt have before, etc.) Honestly, normals should always stay a learning ground, experimentation, a fun area to play, with friends or alone. Sometimes I fall into the trap of only wanting to win normal games and then I get all mad and its not worth it and I dont learn much. Ranked is all about winning, imo, not normals. I didnt touch ranked until I had multiple rune pages (at least 1 for each role) and had champions I was comfortable with in each role. (I personally never understand this: the people who get all mad in ranked that someone took their role. Ok, I get that part, poor grace, someone being a dick, whatever. What I dont get is then they troll and pick someone who they want anyway that does nothing to help the team. The goal of ranked is to win, not try to out-troll people. Same with people who play ranked (in solo que) and dont know every role. Why would you play ranked when you might have to fill a role you cant play? If you are good enough to carry your team with your double AP pick, then hey, awesome! But most people cant do that. When this happens in normals I dont get mad though, I roll my eyes and think 'well, lets see how this non-standard team works out' and when it does its really cool to see, and when it doesn't I go 'yep, thats why you dont (insert fail team comp).)
TL:DR: lvl10-20 takes some time, lvl 20-30 takes a Long Time. Find interest in anything other than winning, because pre lvl 30 when you play normals you have to deal with ragers, smurfs, leavers, etc, with the result that often you win and dont feel like you won, and lose and feel like league is just stupid. I feel like the most basics are best learned playing bots, with the added benefits that your teammates wont rage at you nearly so hard. Just play and rack up those IPs. If the game mechanics or gameplay are uninteresting or not fun, LoL may not be your top favorite game. avoid normals like the plague until past lvl 20 at least unless you want to take the hostility.
Edit: Forgot about metagame. Ya, metagame is fairly important, but later when people know what they are doing. You said people never listen to each other and play their own game. Honestly at your level I think thats fine, you all play your own solo game, learning champions and your own mechanics, do stupid things and die and learn to not do that again, etc. The fact that you know roles right now is quite something. I know I didnt understand all the roles til I was in the lvl 20s, and most games there were no junglers until past lvl 20, simply because you needed the runes and masteries to do it. The fact that you know roles can still be of some help though, because you can help you team out for what they need, which is what it sounds like youve been doing. Honestly just pick whatever champion right now that you havent played or want to play and go, screw metagame or whatever else anyone else has picked. Then, when you are lvl 20+ and the other 4 people actually choose 4/5 metagame roles, you can say 'hey, we actually know what we are doing...' and then you start filling roles like support because they actually can do stuff with people who understand whats goin on. Dont get too happy with wins or too frustrated/mad with loses. The game isn't exactly 'balanced' until everyone has all 30 masteries and full rune pages anyway.
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hmm, I got to lvl 30 in about a month and a half or 2 months? during summer break. I played a lot, and pretty much exclusively duo q'd w/ my best friend til lvl 30. Games from lvl1-30 are all goofing around, the biggest thing you should be working on is mechanical play; don't worry too much about winning or losing. Fuck around, do funny builds. Troll a bit, flame a little, and just don't give 2 fucks.
If you want to get be able to carry wins, just learn to STOMP lanes. First step is learning to farm during laning phase. 2nd step learning how to farm outside laning phase. 3rd step learning to farm in laning phase while completely preventing enemy from farming. 4th step learning to farm in laning phase while STOMPING your opponent to the ground. 5th step, learn to abuse your advantage in other lanes.
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I just played loads of twisted treeline -didn't even try summoners rift till I was level 25 or something. It was pretty fun. But i'd never played a MOBA before, so I found everything incredibly exciting.
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stack xp boosts. get a 10 day and a per win and you will soar to 30 like i did within a week or so
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ALso play on TT for faster games
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I'm just going to post this here in case someone hasn't:
I think it's a terrible idea to buy XP boosts. I'm not going to judge anybody for how they spend their money, but the first ~200 games are crucial to learning champions, what they do, game mechanics, general game sense, learning diff roles, learning diff champs for diff roles, etc. Pretty sure MMR is based on level as well as skill, so you will end up losing a lot more which = less fun. Unless you're exclusively playing with friends.
Also, you'll have less IP for a good variety runes/champions (unless you're going to spend more $, take it from me, quints are fucking expensive! )
Answering the actual question: Already said, play with friends as much as possible, I play probably about ~50% of my games with at least one other person. If you don't find it fun, don't play (that's how I approach SC2). Find champions you find fun in as many roles as possible as quickly as possible so you can satisfy teammates needs for playing a particular role while still having fun.
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To be honest the stupid meta restrictions make the game unfun.
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Seriously if ur not posting stupid scores then you need more practice.
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Honestly, if you're level twelve don't worry about playing with the meta. Even when you get forced support, play something fun. Make it a kill lane, nobody else will mind, especially if you do well.
And the sad truth is, as many others have said, it doesn't really get better. Even at 1500 ELO people are still double locking mid just because "they called it first". I would highly recommend talking to your teammates every game and if there is ever one that isn't toxic, just add him and work on making a small friend circle.
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Just like doublelift once said, play to get yourself better, not to get your team better.
Also, team composition doesn't mean anything at lower level, so just pick the champion you feel the most comfortable with, and play at which ever lane you get.
I don't know if getting to lv 30 asap is a good idea, because you won't be ready for ranked anyway by the time you get to 30. However, if you are looking for powerleveling, buy EXP boost(cost money ofc) and spam bots game which on average takes 15-20mins and you get 300-400 exp each win, takes no time to get to 30.
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I was stuck on level 24-29 for about a year. Most boring game I've ever played in my life. Ranked, on the other hand, is so addictive that I can't stop playing. It's just like grinding up on SC2 ladder.
In other words, levelling to 30 is boring as fuck and nothing you do can fix it. XP boost is a waste because it only boosts so little.
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I know its likely you wont read this but on this off-chance you do I think it might help. I found myself in a similar situation recently after relocating 9000 km due to work commitments so I had to grind out to 1-30 once more. I think the most important thing you must do is ask yourself what is the reason why you're playing the game in the first place.
If you're like me and enjoy ladder and/or winning then I recommend you stick to it as the quality of games does increase the further up you go, but at 1300 and below as far as I can remember (could be higher) it is just as much of a mess as the games you played while levelling, I recall at that rating people try to stick to the meta, but that's not always the case, occasionally people do what they want whatever the rating. If you're after fun and are not having any, I'd really recommend you change games, don't torture yourself for no reason.
So if you've decided to stick with it I have a few things to say, first: don't assume everyone you're meeting is a new player, there are quite a lot of "smurfs" at those levels, I'm 1700 on the server but I've lost lanes more times than I can remember while levelling. The other thing that helped me a lot was that no matter what my team did, if I lost the game it was my fault, I simply wasn't good enough. Another thing I did a lot was watch T.V. movies, streams etc. while playing in custom vs bots, you get xp while giving the game the minimum required attention, and if 30 is what you're after it really does help speed things along. Keep the game going for a long time as the xp is calculated on a per minute basis as far as I'm aware. I did buy the xp boost too, it halved the time I had to grind, I certainly felt it was worth the money.
Edit: Grammar
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I actually have 2 lvl 30akas and im working a third up, right now at lvl 12, since im doing my social service and im in charge of a healt facility i dont really have much time and some times my games are interrupted by emergencies, but aside from that im a pretty realiable player.
On an advice, i just dont care for what my team does, i mean its low lvl play, many of the players just starting to play and many are like my self smurf akas who dont care if you respect the meta or dont, most of the time i jungle or adc carry, i dont expect to get a suport or to get help in the jungle, i tell my team that if they dont help at the start dont expect ganks, and if i play adc carry always build phylo first since i will be getting cs steal from me by duo lane, and he will probably fed the enemy so i give my self a shot al late game, always try go grab 150 cs by 20min and once you get the farm rolling is easy, also play champs that you can carry with, im pretty OP with Jax, Ashe, Nasus, once you get the farm is rape time, and you can 1vs3 or even if the other team is pretty bad 1vs4.
Just play the game your own way while leveling, games dont really matter, just learn your shit, and carry bad people^^, its so fun when your team is calling you names cause their a getting owned, then you score a multikill and lead them to an inhibitor or baron then they all shut up and follow.
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Pick pub stomp heroes. Mundo, Jax, Malphite, Eve, Irelia...etc etc. You want to use champs that aren't heavily dependent on other team mates or cs.
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On December 15 2012 02:45 samthesaluki wrote:
Seriously if ur not posting stupid scores then you need more practice.
This isn't true. Riot's smurf detector is really good and you'll quickly get to the point where you won't be able to post those kinds of numbers. Like, probably within 10 games.
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I'm just slowly leveling a smurf from bot games. The amount of rage is minimal to none, so can just run around do whatever and level. You won't learn as much but the experience of playing will be much better until you get more comfortable with the game.
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I find the best way is just to play heroes in unconventional roles
for example, lux, zyra, and nidalee can play mid or support (nidalee can play top too) and can build into many different paths.
The early levels are kind of hard cause you don't have runes, masteries, or a lot of champions but it gets better.
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Get to level 30 by playing arams.
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Most Arams are 30++. And almost all will kick level 5 players as soon as they are nearly full.
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make a drink game
for every kill you get: one shot
for every death: 2 shots
per 100 cs: 2 shots
should be nice, but i wouldnt play too many games a day..
na srsly, you should try to get some lol-friends and only play with them. dont think there is a better chance of not getting too frustrated
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Leveling to 30 is no longer fun, it used to be when Riot was cool company and it took 3x less exp to get to lvl 30, but later they must have decided that it's not profitable so they increased the amount of xp needed. Now last few levels are painful to get
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On December 30 2012 00:59 Acer1791 wrote:
make a drink game
for every kill you get: one shot
for every death: 2 shots
per 100 cs: 2 shots
should be nice, but i wouldnt play too many games a day..
na srsly, you should try to get some lol-friends and only play with them. dont think there is a better chance of not getting too frustrated
is your goal to drink yourself to death? wtf lol
1 game and i would die
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On December 30 2012 14:30 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 00:59 Acer1791 wrote:
make a drink game
for every kill you get: one shot
for every death: 2 shots
per 100 cs: 2 shots
should be nice, but i wouldnt play too many games a day..
na srsly, you should try to get some lol-friends and only play with them. dont think there is a better chance of not getting too frustrated is your goal to drink yourself to death? wtf lol 1 game and i would die
Why would you punish yourself for getting cs and killing people O_O
Edit: wait what, after like the 2nd death or like 5th kill you would probably die in the next 20 min since your too drunk to play well anyway and would go like 5/20/0.
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Friends
Lv1-29 is also for learning the game
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On December 29 2012 12:41 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 02:45 samthesaluki wrote:
Seriously if ur not posting stupid scores then you need more practice. This isn't true. Riot's smurf detector is really good and you'll quickly get to the point where you won't be able to post those kinds of numbers. Like, probably within 10 games.
It took me about like 4 games before i ran into people like lvl 24 or something, from going like 30-0 in my normals on my smurfs lol -_-
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This is an amazing website, I have to do this .
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Do this amazing strat:
Get 4 people top with two of them (top and mid) take teleport, send the adc bottom.
suprise buttseks their top w/ a 4man bush gangbang, then proceed to push top, then when people come top push mid.
It works like MAGIC
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On January 01 2013 07:32 MagicARide wrote:
Do this amazing strat:
Get 4 people top with two of them (top and mid) take teleport, send the adc bottom.
suprise buttseks their top w/ a 4man bush gangbang, then proceed to push top, then when people come top push mid.
It works like MAGIC
No idea what you're saying here.
So basically 5man teleport ganks?
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It's just taking top tower really early, people do it with teleport because you can teleport to the minion that the tower is attacking to make it invulnerable for the cast duration.
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On January 01 2013 07:34 Abenson wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 07:32 MagicARide wrote:
Do this amazing strat:
Get 4 people top with two of them (top and mid) take teleport, send the adc bottom.
suprise buttseks their top w/ a 4man bush gangbang, then proceed to push top, then when people come top push mid.
It works like MAGIC No idea what you're saying here. So basically 5man teleport ganks?
No, just two teleports (for top and mid since they actually can get it) and have your adc stay bot since the enemy will most likely send their support top to help
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