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[Patch 1.0.0.152: Preseason 3] General Discussion - Page 7

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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 04 2012 16:18 GMT
#121
On December 05 2012 01:12 little fancy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 00:22 Scip wrote:
AS being more expensive doesn't relate to Randuin's or FH in any way
it's just a %DPS decrease unrelated to how fast your attack speed is (unless you have more than 2.5, yaddy yadda).


Of course it doesn't, what I was trying to say is that I feel like ADs might be missing a 'go-to' AS item that definitely was PD last season. The general AS price increase and the better anti-AD mechanics make for a pretty harsh DPS decrease that the modern ranged AD has to find a way to compensate. At first glance I now fear it will be hard to have that, but we will see.


There are a lot of good AS items for ADs. SotD, Runaan's, PD (it's still good), and Zephyr are all strong AS items. The key is there won't be one AS item to rule them all, the "go to" item will depend on your champion and the circumstances of the game.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 04 2012 16:28 GMT
#122
Hm.

I'm just messing around a lot with the calculator in preparation for when I get home. Ryze... I have no idea what kind of page to make for him. I think with all the mana, regen, and CDR that the Utility tree gives, that's kind of a given. Maybe 9 in offense for the mpen and CDR. I'm looking at this:

http://www.finalesfunkeln.com/s3/#MaK7vwdmq3vtgm

Pickpocket seems pretty cool if you're laning against a melee champ, but you quickly stop ever using autos once your mana pool and levels get rolling.

I think my main mage page will be 21 offense, but there's a lot of stuff in Utility that's hard to ignore.
It's your boy Guzma!
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
December 04 2012 16:29 GMT
#123
Chaox pwning with sword of divine on Vayne, so much burst dps!
I got nothin'...
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
December 04 2012 16:30 GMT
#124
Sword of the Divine so op!
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
December 04 2012 16:32 GMT
#125
To be fair, that Cait didn't have a support all game and got bullied to hell and back because of it + skill disparity.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22422 Posts
December 04 2012 16:36 GMT
#126
Yeah i would be watchfull of trusting pro's streaming soloQ to show what items are good. Chaox could play that with nothing but dorans and win.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 16:39:37
December 04 2012 16:37 GMT
#127
On December 05 2012 01:18 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 01:12 little fancy wrote:
On December 05 2012 00:22 Scip wrote:
AS being more expensive doesn't relate to Randuin's or FH in any way
it's just a %DPS decrease unrelated to how fast your attack speed is (unless you have more than 2.5, yaddy yadda).


Of course it doesn't, what I was trying to say is that I feel like ADs might be missing a 'go-to' AS item that definitely was PD last season. The general AS price increase and the better anti-AD mechanics make for a pretty harsh DPS decrease that the modern ranged AD has to find a way to compensate. At first glance I now fear it will be hard to have that, but we will see.


There are a lot of good AS items for ADs. SotD, Runaan's, PD (it's still good), and Zephyr are all strong AS items. The key is there won't be one AS item to rule them all, the "go to" item will depend on your champion and the circumstances of the game.

To be fair, people said that after LW was changed from an AS item to an AD item. It didn't take that long for PD to emerge as the premier AS item after that.

EDIT: Also, this is going to be really awkward for G-League if China gets the patch in the middle of group stage.
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YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
December 04 2012 16:38 GMT
#128
Did you see how quickly that Riven dropped though when she came in for a gank? he could've easily 1v2ed Riven and Cait if Cait hadn't run. Sword of the Divine just seems to synergize really well with Vayne early.
I got nothin'...
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
December 04 2012 16:39 GMT
#129
On December 05 2012 01:29 YouGotNothin wrote:
Chaox pwning with sword of divine on Vayne, so much burst dps!

He has a hard on for manamune now on Ez too.
Ziken
Profile Joined August 2010
Ghana1743 Posts
December 04 2012 16:39 GMT
#130
So guys, I was just playing some jarvan after a while with some friends, and i remembered that there was an announcement for a lu bu jarvan skin and one for xin iirc, any updates on those skins or they just kind of died off?
Every misfortune is a blessing in disguise.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
December 04 2012 16:42 GMT
#131
On December 05 2012 01:39 Ziken wrote:
So guys, I was just playing some jarvan after a while with some friends, and i remembered that there was an announcement for a lu bu jarvan skin and one for xin iirc, any updates on those skins or they just kind of died off?


They'll be back at some point. Some skins take a while (think Ezreal's skin).

Considering Chinese New Year is only a few months away that's my bet on the Romance of 3 Kingdom skins.
adriftt
Profile Joined March 2012
335 Posts
December 04 2012 16:44 GMT
#132
I really don;t understand what they are thinking with the ward/oracle changes. Sighstone is a ridiculous item that can be bought on everything except AD carry. With the oracle nerf.. theres going to be 1000 wards everywhere in competitive games and its even harder to go oracle when behind because its temporary now.

They should have made Oracle transfer to whoever kills you but still be permanent. So if one team is ahead you can comeback by killing their oracle and getting a free one.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 16:45:48
December 04 2012 16:45 GMT
#133
On December 05 2012 01:29 YouGotNothin wrote:
Chaox pwning with sword of divine on Vayne, so much burst dps!


On December 05 2012 01:30 Ryalnos wrote:
Sword of the Divine so op!


On December 05 2012 01:38 YouGotNothin wrote:
Did you see how quickly that Riven dropped though when she came in for a gank? he could've easily 1v2ed Riven and Cait if Cait hadn't run. Sword of the Divine just seems to synergize really well with Vayne early.


If you had watched Mondays with Monte yesterday you would have already known this and could have been all hipster about it.

On December 05 2012 01:37 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 01:18 Seuss wrote:
On December 05 2012 01:12 little fancy wrote:
On December 05 2012 00:22 Scip wrote:
AS being more expensive doesn't relate to Randuin's or FH in any way
it's just a %DPS decrease unrelated to how fast your attack speed is (unless you have more than 2.5, yaddy yadda).


Of course it doesn't, what I was trying to say is that I feel like ADs might be missing a 'go-to' AS item that definitely was PD last season. The general AS price increase and the better anti-AD mechanics make for a pretty harsh DPS decrease that the modern ranged AD has to find a way to compensate. At first glance I now fear it will be hard to have that, but we will see.


There are a lot of good AS items for ADs. SotD, Runaan's, PD (it's still good), and Zephyr are all strong AS items. The key is there won't be one AS item to rule them all, the "go to" item will depend on your champion and the circumstances of the game.

To be fair, people said that after LW was changed from an AS item to an AD item. It didn't take that long for PD to emerge as the premier AS item after that.

EDIT: Also, this is going to be really awkward for G-League if China gets the patch in the middle of group stage.


To be fair, all the other AS items were pretty horrible. PD was competing against old SotD and Bloodrazor. Perhaps it wasn't obvious initially, but in retrospect it should have been fairly obvious that the item which multiplied the effectiveness of IE and boosted movespeed would win out.

This time around it's a little different, as each of the AS items has a key strength which is actually relevant. The old items had "strengths" that were either extremely limited in scope or weren't all that strong.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 16:47:23
December 04 2012 16:45 GMT
#134
I don't know if it's been mentioned, but I feel like Sejuani jungle will probably be a lot stronger with these changes considering her skillset.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
December 04 2012 16:46 GMT
#135
On December 05 2012 01:44 adriftt wrote:
I really don;t understand what they are thinking with the ward/oracle changes. Sighstone is a ridiculous item that can be bought on everything except AD carry. With the oracle nerf.. theres going to be 1000 wards everywhere in competitive games and its even harder to go oracle when behind because its temporary now.

They should have made Oracle transfer to whoever kills you but still be permanent. So if one team is ahead you can comeback by killing their oracle and getting a free one.


If anything they needed to nerf oracles and make wards more expensive.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
December 04 2012 16:47 GMT
#136
On December 05 2012 01:38 YouGotNothin wrote:
Did you see how quickly that Riven dropped though when she came in for a gank? he could've easily 1v2ed Riven and Cait if Cait hadn't run. Sword of the Divine just seems to synergize really well with Vayne early.

He was also like 4-6 levels up on both of them and massively ahead gold wise.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
December 04 2012 16:47 GMT
#137
On December 05 2012 01:47 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 01:38 YouGotNothin wrote:
Did you see how quickly that Riven dropped though when she came in for a gank? he could've easily 1v2ed Riven and Cait if Cait hadn't run. Sword of the Divine just seems to synergize really well with Vayne early.

He was also like 4-6 levels up on both of them and massively ahead gold wise.


This sounds like Phreak champion spotlight.
Kaneh
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada737 Posts
December 04 2012 16:52 GMT
#138
On December 05 2012 01:47 Sandster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 01:47 Gahlo wrote:
On December 05 2012 01:38 YouGotNothin wrote:
Did you see how quickly that Riven dropped though when she came in for a gank? he could've easily 1v2ed Riven and Cait if Cait hadn't run. Sword of the Divine just seems to synergize really well with Vayne early.

He was also like 4-6 levels up on both of them and massively ahead gold wise.


This sounds like Phreak champion spotlight.


i laughed harder than i should've =X
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 16:53:18
December 04 2012 16:52 GMT
#139
Sword of the Divine op was obvious from its stats released ages ago. Just nice to see the verification. That CD is really pretty damn short.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
December 04 2012 16:53 GMT
#140
On December 05 2012 01:46 Sandster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 01:44 adriftt wrote:
I really don;t understand what they are thinking with the ward/oracle changes. Sighstone is a ridiculous item that can be bought on everything except AD carry. With the oracle nerf.. theres going to be 1000 wards everywhere in competitive games and its even harder to go oracle when behind because its temporary now.

They should have made Oracle transfer to whoever kills you but still be permanent. So if one team is ahead you can comeback by killing their oracle and getting a free one.


If anything they needed to nerf oracles and make wards more expensive.

They did, I imagine the use of pink wards during lane phase will skyrocket. As well I think people are overreacting at the thought that everyone but the adc will have a sightstone.
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