EPT[Patch 1.0.0.152: Preseason 3] General Discussion - Page 205
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On December 14 2012 05:50 Visage814 wrote: Uh, all reports go to the tribunal. Not in a strict sense. You can be reported but not hit the threshold to enter the tribunal and thus your report is never seen and eventually disappears in the system. Edit: In Ente's case, the system is working as intended in terms of the formula, but not with respect to his population. At 1200 elo, if you get reported in every game, you've probably pissed off a ton of people. At queue time hell levels, when there are only ~20 people to play with, its very likely to get reported every game for no reason. Mean convergence only happens with large sample sizes, which high elo does not provide. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 14 2012 05:55 mordek wrote: This whole conversation came up because players at high ELO on EUW report Ente every game they play with him for no real reason. The problem is the abuse of a group of people who get into games with the same people and all report the same person. As multiple people have vouched for Ente's character, I don't see a problem with some people raising a stink in the case of his ban. Almost all bans are justified, yes. The system does work well, it's just being abused in this case. You can argue whether or not it's happening I suppose. the fact that the tribunal goers are voting to ban him despite all this is proof the system does NOT work. he's getting reported for no reason. but he's still being voted to be banned. Having no concrete standard means this kind of stuff happened twice to the same guy. That's blatantly proof of a failed system. any system that relies on a group of people with no qualifications except their own idea of what they think is right or their own sense of "i'm doing good for my community by banning" is a flawed system. That system was behind using public executions as a form of entertainment even in the cases of political prisoners. that system was behind the voluntary juror system of the western US when it was being colonized for the first times. that system is behind the MPAA and arbitrary censorship of the art of film today. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 14 2012 05:56 Sufficiency wrote: lol @ the tribunal discussion. The Tribunal has enough leeway that it is impossible to get banned from just one game. You have to try really hard to be toxic through many games in order to get a Tribunal ban. and that's why i'm surprised when people actually get banned. | ||
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:00 PrinceXizor wrote: the fact that the tribunal goers are voting to ban him despite all this is proof the system does NOT work. he's getting reported for no reason. but he's still being voted to be banned. Having no concrete standard means this kind of stuff happened twice to the same guy. That's blatantly proof of a failed system. any system that relies on a group of people with no qualifications except their own idea of what they think is right or their own sense of "i'm doing good for my community by banning" is a flawed system. That system was behind using public executions as a form of entertainment even in the cases of political prisoners. that system was behind the voluntary juror system of the western US when it was being colonized for the first times. that system is behind the MPAA and arbitrary censorship of the art of film today. I'll agree with you in general but the discussion was veering towards whether the formula was working for appearing in Tribunal and as someone already stated it is working as intended. As you can see by the various posts afterwards people are still not getting why this specific instance was brought up. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:07 wei2coolman wrote: and that's why i'm surprised when people actually get banned. I'm far more surprised at the 63% of people banned once aren't banned again thing. i guess they make new account while banned. On December 14 2012 06:09 mordek wrote: I'll agree with you in general but the discussion was veering towards whether the formula was working for appearing in Tribunal and as someone already stated it is working as intended. As you can see by the various posts afterwards people are still not getting why this specific instance was brought up. I think the formula is fine, i think trusting the community to pick who to ban and who to pardon is where the failure lies. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:07 wei2coolman wrote: and that's why i'm surprised when people actually get banned. In my opinion, people who get banned are not people who insult their own team, but people who start arguing on all. You need at least 3 report per game, I rarely see a case with 1 or 2 report in the tribunal. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:09 WhiteDog wrote: In my opinion, people who get banned are not people who insult their own team, but people who start arguing on all. You need at least 3 report per game, I rarely see a case with 1 or 2 report in the tribunal. I've seen cases with 1 report in 1 game up for tribunal, not really sure HOW that happened (must be a repeat offender i guess?) but i've seen it. it's weird. | ||
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
@Prince I think you're stating that to agree with me. Just to be clear, my post after yours was to agree with you  | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 14 2012 05:41 PrinceXizor wrote: teemo is the most played character in the game because he's cute. 80% of the player base is pretty damn casual. i know i'd love to play trundle but his animations make him too annoying and buggy, which is reasonable, but i constantly heard people saying WOW trundle? but he's so ugly. In a competitive game I find that silly. It's like saying I'm not going to use the M16 in CoD just because I don't like the way it sounds. Meh, to each you own I suppose (well, the players who think this way anyway.) | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:12 onlywonderboy wrote: In a competitive game I find that silly. It's like saying I'm not going to use the M16 in CoD just because I don't like the way it sounds. Meh, to each you own I suppose (well, the players who think this way anyway.) this isn't a competitive game. it's a casual game played competitively, there is a difference. 1-2% of the LoL playing population watches major tournaments. the vast majority of players never even touch solo queue. It's the difference between Quake live and halo. one is a competitive game the other a casual game played competitively. you'll bet that some people run around in halo trying to melee and stab people only. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:18 Scip wrote: Guys, what happens when you have several shields on you at once, which one breaks first? Let's say I have Locket, Skarner W and Seraph's Embrace (used in that order) on me, which shield will break first? Or will they all survive until all the shields on me are broken? i'm pretty sure it just applies a "shield hp" total. so skarners speed would wear off when you lose all shield or the buff wears off. not 100% on the mechanic though. could easily be an order applied thing or buff shields wearing off whenever you eat through that shield's HP. but i'd bet money it's the total shield hp scenerio. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On December 14 2012 05:14 PrinceXizor wrote: well right now, it's pretty easy to be certain of a jungler's movements so it's probably possible on a team that is trying to do just that. sightstone + 1 ward on support fully protects that lane, a couple wards on top protects them fully and mid can be someone who is incredibly difficult to gank for one reason or another. It's not simply about ward coverage, but about visible obligations. You only know the jungler's up to something if they walk into ward/vision range. However, if any lane attempts something you have a fairly obvious tell, their lack of presence in lane. There simply isn't any comparable telegraph for a jungler, which is why they've been the dominant force behind the early game for quite some time. The issue stands, of all the roles on the map the jungler is uniquely suited to dictating the flow of the early game because their obligations keep them hidden from the enemy. That uncertainty is a very powerful force when wielded properly, and giving it up needs equivalent compensation to be worthwhile. Arguably, no carry is strong enough to warrant the tradeoff at the moment. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:13 PrinceXizor wrote: this isn't a competitive game. it's a casual game played competitively, there is a difference. 1-2% of the LoL playing population watches major tournaments. the vast majority of players never even touch solo queue. It's the difference between Quake live and halo. one is a competitive game the other a casual game played competitively. you'll bet that some people run around in halo trying to melee and stab people only. All I meant by competitive is the goal of the game is to beat the enemy team, not the level of competition that occurs.Even if you are playing casually the goal of the game is to still win. If someone wants to avoid ugly characters that's their prerogative, I just don't agree that's a reason worthy of not playing a champ. I would argue there are plenty of other reasons not to play Trundle haha. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:18 Scip wrote: Guys, what happens when you have several shields on you at once, which one breaks first? Let's say I have Locket, Skarner W and Seraph's Embrace (used in that order) on me, which shield will break first? Or will they all survive until all the shields on me are broken? IIRC they used to stack up as they were applied for a long time, but were ninja-patched in ~early 2012 to get depleted by time remaining - so a shield that ends in 2 sec is gonna be hit and broken before the shield that ends in 10 sec. But I might be totally wrong, I never tested it, it's just what I heard some time. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:21 onlywonderboy wrote: All I meant by competitive is the goal of the game is to beat the enemy team, not the level of competition that occurs.Even if you are playing casually the goal of the game is to still win. If someone wants to avoid ugly characters that's their prerogative, I just don't agree that's a reason worthy of not playing a champ. I would argue there are plenty of other reasons not to play Trundle haha. i mean trundle isn't a god mode character and people refuse to play because he's ugly. he's in the top 10 junglers for sure though, but low enough that preference matters. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9111 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:13 PrinceXizor wrote: You just pulled that number out of your ass. I remember IPL4 had 3 million unique viewers and that's probably higher for IPL5 (but the numbers weren't released yet) so it's much larger percentage.1-2% of the LoL playing population watches major tournaments. | ||
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