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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
December 13 2012 22:09 GMT
#4121
On December 14 2012 07:08 onlywonderboy wrote:
Seeing as BW was a little bit before my time, why was SKT1 so awesome?

had bisu mostly.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 13 2012 22:11 GMT
#4122
On December 14 2012 07:08 onlywonderboy wrote:
Seeing as BW was a little bit before my time, why was SKT1 so awesome?


It's BoxeR's team.
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Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
December 13 2012 22:11 GMT
#4123
On December 14 2012 06:50 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 06:33 kainzero wrote:
any thoughts on nami up until now?

was pretty excited to play her before i realized that i was excited to play all the supports because of the changes.

my support starts have been massively situational since the s3 patch. i've gone games where i rush sightstone and go to lane with nothing but biscuit and ghost ward if i think lane will be okay at level 2. i've done faerie charm and wards, flask and wards... even had one with a sivir where i went mana manipulator and wards (i think we also had an effective diving bruiser, so i thought to get mana manipulator for sivir and then build to ice shard for the bruiser). sometimes i even go faerie charm / sight / chalice, so i can get mikael's early.

i'm wondering if nami works better with chalice, because i keep running out of mana in lane. spamming W (ebb and flow) seems like it'd be really annoying because it's sustain and poke at the same time.

for skill builds I've been starting Q and then R > W > Q > E. i like lina in dota so landing the stun is kind of like a point of pride. i played a game where i ignored skilling E and that seemed to work out okay but i suppose it's situational.

tidal wave has been one of the most solid follow up initiates and counter initiates. by itself as the primary initiate it seems underwhelming and slow, but combined with something like an ashe arrow, a malphite ult, twin shadows, then following up with your bubble... it can devastate a team.

aside from her ult, she does seem underwhelming in mid/late team fights. you can probably get away with one bubble, ebb and flow doesn't heal nearly enough or do enough damage, and her enchant doesn't really affect a teamfight that much. great for chasing and such, but not that effective in a straight up brawl.

most of my nami games were nami mirrors so i don't know particularly know how well she matches up against other supports in lane. i can imagine her doing well against blitz/leona if you can hit your stun. i'd give janna/soraka a slight edge. i'd favor nami over sona. taric seems pretty even, as does lulu.


I think Nami can be really strong, but most ADC do not know how to play with her. She requires a lot of collabourative effort to play well in lane.


Nami reminds me a lot of Janna in that sense. A lot of ADC don't know how to play with her, and you really need to focus on the timing of your skills. Can't just spam everything and aim for the stars *cough cough Taric*. There's also the fact that both boost ally movement speed, and both have greatt CC but it's hard to get them to land right. Janna and Nami ult can both be missed quite easily.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 13 2012 22:14 GMT
#4124
On December 14 2012 07:11 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 07:08 onlywonderboy wrote:
Seeing as BW was a little bit before my time, why was SKT1 so awesome?


It's BoxeR's team.

A quick search of Liquidpedia answered most of my follow-up questions. So pretty big deal haha.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
December 13 2012 22:18 GMT
#4125
On December 14 2012 07:14 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 07:11 NeoIllusions wrote:
On December 14 2012 07:08 onlywonderboy wrote:
Seeing as BW was a little bit before my time, why was SKT1 so awesome?


It's BoxeR's team.

A quick search of Liquidpedia answered most of my follow-up questions. So pretty big deal haha.

SKT1 departed from boxer's team when oov stopped playing at least in my heart
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
December 13 2012 22:28 GMT
#4126
What is the worst S3 mastery? I realized that Archmage is pretty bad... +1.25% AP/point.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35127 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 22:31:37
December 13 2012 22:31 GMT
#4127
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/preseason-balance-update-1-patch-notes

Yikes, those Diana nerfs.

EDIT: inb4 darkness.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 22:34:23
December 13 2012 22:32 GMT
#4128
Right now it's Butcher because it does nothing.

Legendary Armor is pretty bad because it only affects bonus Armor and MR.

Smite damage increased to 490-1000 from 445-870


Jungle Akali buff. :D
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13842 Posts
December 13 2012 22:34 GMT
#4129
On December 14 2012 07:18 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 07:14 onlywonderboy wrote:
On December 14 2012 07:11 NeoIllusions wrote:
On December 14 2012 07:08 onlywonderboy wrote:
Seeing as BW was a little bit before my time, why was SKT1 so awesome?


It's BoxeR's team.

A quick search of Liquidpedia answered most of my follow-up questions. So pretty big deal haha.

SKT1 departed from boxer's team when oov stopped playing at least in my heart


and rebecame boxers team when he rejoined it recently.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 13 2012 22:35 GMT
#4130
inb4 no one plays Rengar anymore even though he'll still be pretty good.
It's your boy Guzma!
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
December 13 2012 22:36 GMT
#4131
On December 14 2012 07:35 Requizen wrote:
inb4 no one plays Rengar anymore even though he'll still be pretty good.


One can only dream. And finally on the diana range nerfs. Good patch imo
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9110 Posts
December 13 2012 22:37 GMT
#4132
TSM vs Curse in ~20mins. The finals of TSM's tournament series run from today until Sunday.

http://www.solomid.net/tournament.php
Arekan
Profile Joined February 2011
United States248 Posts
December 13 2012 22:38 GMT
#4133
On December 14 2012 07:35 Requizen wrote:
inb4 no one plays Rengar anymore even though he'll still be pretty good.


Rengar is going to be in a similar situation to Vladimir. The only way these champs are going to be anything other than useful are nerfing the numbers of everything including base stats such that they make pre-remake Eve look like release Xin Zhao.
Vingle
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada86 Posts
December 13 2012 22:41 GMT
#4134
Damn, that Cho'Gath change.

It'll be a little harder to stand in the middle of the minion wave now.
Protoss is a very funny race.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
December 13 2012 22:42 GMT
#4135
Does this count as a new GD-worthy patch?

Also wtf secret Smite buff???
Did anybody see that coming?
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kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
December 13 2012 22:42 GMT
#4136
On December 14 2012 07:11 Doctorbeat wrote:
Nami reminds me a lot of Janna in that sense. A lot of ADC don't know how to play with her, and you really need to focus on the timing of your skills. Can't just spam everything and aim for the stars *cough cough Taric*. There's also the fact that both boost ally movement speed, and both have greatt CC but it's hard to get them to land right. Janna and Nami ult can both be missed quite easily.

i always played janna defensively. i only used janna ult to peel or to heal in teamfights, which was very situational since you didn't want to push people out of kills. only when i'm winning do i try for DA PLAYZ and flash ult to separate the team or stop someone from running.

that said, i find nami more of an initiator than a peeler, and in-lane she's more like sona than anyone else.

On December 14 2012 06:43 Seuss wrote:
The fact that Nami's harass and sustain are both the same spell makes her very strong. The only thing that stops it from being overpowered is the positioning requirement, which really isn't that big of a deal.

i always found myself running out of mana in lane, even with phil stone/flask. wondering if i'm doing something wrong. maybe too many bubbles. but yeah, i thought that mana issues were what kept her from being OP in lane.



the only comment i have on patch notes is
"-Consumable items now display a stack count in the scoreboard"
kinda don't like that. after playing so much dota i feel like it's so easy to see what other people have, now you can see their stacks on tab it's even easier.


Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 13 2012 22:43 GMT
#4137
Lunar Rush
Cast range reduced to 750 from 900

GG DIANA. I won't miss you.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Arekan
Profile Joined February 2011
United States248 Posts
December 13 2012 22:44 GMT
#4138
On December 14 2012 07:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Does this count as a new GD-worthy patch?

Also wtf secret Smite buff???
Did anybody see that coming?


The change has been on the PBE for a while, even though surrender at 20 or RoG never mentioned it to my knowledge. Other than that, no one really saw it. This is a direct nerf to Saint though. Making it easier for people to smite steal him is going to make for some funny games at some point.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
December 13 2012 22:44 GMT
#4139
On December 14 2012 07:28 nosliw wrote:
What is the worst S3 mastery? I realized that Archmage is pretty bad... +1.25% AP/point.

i'm going to also vote for Legendary armor, but archmage is also down there. Legendary armor is worse imo because not only is it bad but there are other better options to take if you want 21 in defense, while an AP who wants to go 21 in offense doesn't really have that much of a choice.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 13 2012 22:44 GMT
#4140
On December 14 2012 07:11 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 06:50 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 14 2012 06:33 kainzero wrote:
any thoughts on nami up until now?

was pretty excited to play her before i realized that i was excited to play all the supports because of the changes.

my support starts have been massively situational since the s3 patch. i've gone games where i rush sightstone and go to lane with nothing but biscuit and ghost ward if i think lane will be okay at level 2. i've done faerie charm and wards, flask and wards... even had one with a sivir where i went mana manipulator and wards (i think we also had an effective diving bruiser, so i thought to get mana manipulator for sivir and then build to ice shard for the bruiser). sometimes i even go faerie charm / sight / chalice, so i can get mikael's early.

i'm wondering if nami works better with chalice, because i keep running out of mana in lane. spamming W (ebb and flow) seems like it'd be really annoying because it's sustain and poke at the same time.

for skill builds I've been starting Q and then R > W > Q > E. i like lina in dota so landing the stun is kind of like a point of pride. i played a game where i ignored skilling E and that seemed to work out okay but i suppose it's situational.

tidal wave has been one of the most solid follow up initiates and counter initiates. by itself as the primary initiate it seems underwhelming and slow, but combined with something like an ashe arrow, a malphite ult, twin shadows, then following up with your bubble... it can devastate a team.

aside from her ult, she does seem underwhelming in mid/late team fights. you can probably get away with one bubble, ebb and flow doesn't heal nearly enough or do enough damage, and her enchant doesn't really affect a teamfight that much. great for chasing and such, but not that effective in a straight up brawl.

most of my nami games were nami mirrors so i don't know particularly know how well she matches up against other supports in lane. i can imagine her doing well against blitz/leona if you can hit your stun. i'd give janna/soraka a slight edge. i'd favor nami over sona. taric seems pretty even, as does lulu.


I think Nami can be really strong, but most ADC do not know how to play with her. She requires a lot of collabourative effort to play well in lane.


Nami reminds me a lot of Janna in that sense. A lot of ADC don't know how to play with her, and you really need to focus on the timing of your skills. Can't just spam everything and aim for the stars *cough cough Taric*. There's also the fact that both boost ally movement speed, and both have greatt CC but it's hard to get them to land right. Janna and Nami ult can both be missed quite easily.


Janna doesn't really require that much coordination. Your ADC can just farm, and you as Janna cast E when needed or go harass by yourself.

Also Nami's E needs some visual fix. It's way too hard to see.
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