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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
December 13 2012 06:10 GMT
#3901
On December 13 2012 15:08 Inschato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 15:04 Slusher wrote:
mabye this has been mentioned already but does anyone else suspect Vi might be "Six" the scar under he eye sure looks like the roman numeral.

Vi, hah, stands for violence!
Vi stands for vicious.
Vi stands for vice.

(ingame quotes ;p)


wtf? I don't want a character in this game that promotes violence...
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9808 Posts
December 13 2012 06:14 GMT
#3902
On December 13 2012 15:10 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 15:08 Inschato wrote:
On December 13 2012 15:04 Slusher wrote:
mabye this has been mentioned already but does anyone else suspect Vi might be "Six" the scar under he eye sure looks like the roman numeral.

Vi, hah, stands for violence!
Vi stands for vicious.
Vi stands for vice.

(ingame quotes ;p)


wtf? I don't want a character in this game that promotes violence...

Vi is for vigilance, for victim and villian. For vicarious virtues and vivified viruses and for viewing vicissitudes and violations.
boomer hands
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 13 2012 06:14 GMT
#3903
For Vi, Brandon DiMarco is a saint.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
December 13 2012 06:44 GMT
#3904
Wow I'm still buying Oracles in games vs Teemo thinking it's like normal Oracles. After like 6 minutes and where we win a teamfight where I'm left with barely any health and I step on an AP Teemo shroom to go ward Baron.

Ugh. IMO they should at least nlower the cost of Oracles or make it as long as Teemo shrooms
Forever Young
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
December 13 2012 06:51 GMT
#3905
Vi stands for mai waifu

wait, that doesn't fit
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 07:01:41
December 13 2012 07:00 GMT
#3906
It's enjoyable listening to WoD while he is losing a game. Don't typically watch, but I can understand why the viewer #'s. He has this passive anger towards everyone on his team, while handing out a bit of information.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 07:01:25
December 13 2012 07:01 GMT
#3907
has anyone built spirit of the elder lizard yet? is it good? I've been having so much fun playing support I haven't even touched non-wriggles junglers and im wondering what the spirit stone path options are like.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11898 Posts
December 13 2012 07:06 GMT
#3908
On December 13 2012 09:00 obesechicken13 wrote:
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On December 13 2012 08:32 Ketara wrote:
On December 13 2012 08:12 101toss wrote:
On December 13 2012 07:53 Ketara wrote:
Just because it's often not doing full damage, doesn't mean it's not doing damage. The thing has 70 AP on it, and magic pen, and HP. What item are you comparing it to?

Haunting guise.
200hp? Check
15mpen? Check
25ap? Not enough here, but toss on a blasting wand (only 860g) and you've got around the same ap. That means you get 600g to spend on another item that does more damage (plus that bwand actually builds into core items for all casters).

People confuse teemo shrooms retarded base damage with liandry's damage and it's making me sad


You are completely ignoring me.

Here's some math for you.

I'm playing Teemo.

I got a Deathcap and a Void Staff. I've also got boots and a sightstone and a haunting guise. I'm having a pretty good day. Lets say I'm a fairly standard AP build and I'm level 18.

I've got 333.502 AP with all this stuff. Neat.

My mushrooms are doing 866.8016 damage. Also neat.

I've got room in my inventory for one more major item. I want something that is going to give me the most damage possible on my mushrooms for the least gold possible. What do I get?

I could get a Deathfire Grasp for 3000 gold. That gives 130 AP with deathcap/masteries, which would be another 104 damage on my mushrooms.

I could get a Zhonyas Hourglass for 3100 gold. That gives 130 AP with deathcap/masteries, which would be another 104 damage on my mushrooms.

Or I could get a Liandry's Lament for 1415 gold. That only gives 58.5 AP with deathcap/masteries, which would be another 46.8 damage on my mushrooms. But it has that passive and slows, so would do 5% current HP damage to the target over 1.5 seconds.

How much current HP would the target have to have for 5% of it to be the 45.5 necessary to make that proc do as much damage as a Deathfire Grasp?

Only 910 HP.

At level 18 how many champions will have more than 910 HP after being hit by the mushroom? Damn near everybody.

And it only cost 1415 gold instead of 3000! And I still have an item slot left! In fact, instead of paying 3000 gold for a Deathfire Grasp I could get Liandry's Lament and a Needlessly Large Rod. Then I'm certainly doing more damage than I would be if I'd gotten that Deathfire Grasp!


Edit:
Oh but wait, Liandry's and Teemo mushrooms don't work well together! Each second you take damage and that reapplies the effect and causes Liandry's to miss a tick of damage! So the last tick of shroom damage will make Liandry's do 5% current health damage, and the first few ticks will make Liandry's do... More than nothing.

So instead of taking 5% HP damage from Liandry's, you're taking some amount MORE than 5%. Totally crappy with mushrooms.

I'm actually curious if Liandry gets ticks off when Teemo's poison is active, and if so, how many ticks on average. I can neither discount nor prove the 13% stated above.

I think the argument it doesn't work well with Teemo is half from when someone hits a mushroom and then you autoattack them, because then for a long time Liandry's might not be hurting them at all because it keeps getting refreshed by Teemo's poison.

Here's some data on Liandry's

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- AoE and DoT based spells halve the number of ticks rather than the duration. It may seem like a technicality, but a simple halved duration (re wording of the tooltip) would imply the full 5% over 1.5 seconds; instead, it's halved to 2.5% over 1.5 seconds.

http://www.reignofgaming.net/forums/strategy/champions-and-gameplay/29479-item-mechanics-liandrys-torment
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Liandry's_Torment

So Teemo will theoretically only get 5% from one Liandry's proc.

Also:
Show nested quote +
- The damage is dealt over 6 ticks at 0.5 second intervals, with the initial tick being on contact and hidden by the spell itself.

So Liandry's will proc at least one time. But depending on the dot frequency of Teemo's poison, it may not proc again until after Teemo's poison wears off, which would mean it gets half efficiency.

I'm tired. Baylife.


I realize i am a bit late to this, but we now have two contradicting versions of how liandrys works here on this forum. Either it applies on the first hit, but is hidden by the spell that procs it on display, or the first tick gets munched. I'd really like to know which is true. It would be pretty easy to test this by building liandrys on someone with a dot, and only hp on someone else, and then calculate how much damage it should do, i assume, but sadly i don't have anyone around who would do that with me at the moment.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 13 2012 07:06 GMT
#3909
On December 13 2012 16:01 UniversalSnip wrote:
has anyone built spirit of the elder lizard yet? is it good? I've been having so much fun playing support I haven't even touched non-wriggles junglers and im wondering what the spirit stone path options are like.


That item doesn't actually slow, does it?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
December 13 2012 07:11 GMT
#3910
Golem is awesome. Why would you ever build the other two?
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 07:16:40
December 13 2012 07:14 GMT
#3911
I've only built the spectral wraith one on Fiddle. Works well for him. I feel like most junglers that would be interested in in the Elder Lizard just go for the Wriggles. The tank one is really good though.
On December 13 2012 16:06 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 16:01 UniversalSnip wrote:
has anyone built spirit of the elder lizard yet? is it good? I've been having so much fun playing support I haven't even touched non-wriggles junglers and im wondering what the spirit stone path options are like.


That item doesn't actually slow, does it?

No but the AD one does a mini red true damage effect.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
December 13 2012 07:15 GMT
#3912
Elder Lizard isn't that great it has a nice DoT damage but not worth the price IMO
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
December 13 2012 07:17 GMT
#3913
On December 13 2012 16:01 UniversalSnip wrote:
has anyone built spirit of the elder lizard yet? is it good? I've been having so much fun playing support I haven't even touched non-wriggles junglers and im wondering what the spirit stone path options are like.


Only time I ever saw it bought was as a first item rush by a top-lane Irelia against my friend's Wukong. Irelia didn't look like she needed any nerfs that game, to put it lightly.

On December 13 2012 15:44 sung_moon wrote:
Wow I'm still buying Oracles in games vs Teemo thinking it's like normal Oracles. After like 6 minutes and where we win a teamfight where I'm left with barely any health and I step on an AP Teemo shroom to go ward Baron.

Ugh. IMO they should at least nlower the cost of Oracles or make it as long as Teemo shrooms


I thought I read they dropped the price to 250 when the changes were first put on the PBE. I know that's not the case on live, but did they ever say why?
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
December 13 2012 07:24 GMT
#3914
On December 13 2012 16:01 UniversalSnip wrote:
has anyone built spirit of the elder lizard yet? is it good? I've been having so much fun playing support I haven't even touched non-wriggles junglers and im wondering what the spirit stone path options are like.


I think I've seen Shake build it on Hecarim, and I've seen the occasional jungle Pantheon lighting people on fire with spears.
PaniaoftheReef in Path of Exile TotA SSF SC // Lovelin fanclub // GreenTea #1
Kaneh
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada737 Posts
December 13 2012 07:31 GMT
#3915
On December 13 2012 16:01 UniversalSnip wrote:
has anyone built spirit of the elder lizard yet? is it good? I've been having so much fun playing support I haven't even touched non-wriggles junglers and im wondering what the spirit stone path options are like.


it works on GPs ult. On every cannonball. Dunno how good that actually is, but it's interesting.
whatwhatanut
Profile Joined December 2010
United States195 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 07:45:54
December 13 2012 07:44 GMT
#3916
On December 13 2012 16:01 UniversalSnip wrote:
has anyone built spirit of the elder lizard yet? is it good? I've been having so much fun playing support I haven't even touched non-wriggles junglers and im wondering what the spirit stone path options are like.


i build spirit stone on mumu every game. Been building rylais and abysal with warmogs and maybe fh or thornmail later.

I wouldn't upgrade the stone until really late game from the base spirit stone but the 20% dmg seems like more than enuf with a little ap.

Armor just is real weak atm so i like killing and just tnaking all types of dmg.

Edit: i think you're talking about a different item than me i build the golem one .
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
December 13 2012 07:45 GMT
#3917
Hotshot goes to solomid.net for all of his champion guide needs lol.
eagle
Profile Joined April 2009
United States693 Posts
December 13 2012 07:50 GMT
#3918
better guides then clg
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
December 13 2012 08:05 GMT
#3919
better guides than lolking
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 08:07:44
December 13 2012 08:06 GMT
#3920
SKT1 picked up ESG?

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=74508704&l=0a18460cb5&id=100001388980069

Edit: http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=2744&l=975
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