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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
December 13 2012 04:45 GMT
#3881
On December 13 2012 13:40 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 13:33 Slusher wrote:
You are more manly than I, I haven't taken an AP mid in like a week.


*shrug* Stick to your guns. There's a reason I never jumped on the eve/kat +dfg bandwagon (aside from the fact that I'm bad at those champs). I try to avoid sheeping OP shit.

I have hundreds of games with Viktor and Zyra mid. These people are taking bruisers mid because they think it's free win fotm shit. My experience with those champions simply gives me an edge, despite any inherent tilts in game balance.

also viktor has the added advantage of invalidating an entire character
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
December 13 2012 04:50 GMT
#3882
I've been playing almost exclusively teemo and loving every minute of it

does that make me a bad person
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 13 2012 04:52 GMT
#3883
not to sound like a dork, but with how coveted mid is these days, I feel a responsibility to play what is best, and right now with BC in the game, and super aegis vs me if I go AP I feel like I give my team the best chance by playing Talon/Riven/Olaf (all champs I played pre patch, just not every game) not trying to say I'm not bandwagon, but it's not like I'm just reading lol pro on my 2nd screen or anything.
Carrilord has arrived.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 13 2012 04:52 GMT
#3884
Holy shit, everyone who's complaining about BC needs to fucking stop.

I expect this level of brainless from Reddit or the official LoL forums. Not from TL.

It may be a bit on the powerful side, but Soniv is right. By and large, in solo queue it's not going to be preventing you from winning games with things that you're comfortable with if you're actually playing well. You will still raise Elo if you're supposed to be doing so.
Moderator
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 13 2012 04:54 GMT
#3885
On December 13 2012 13:52 TheYango wrote:
Holy shit, everyone who's complaining about BC needs to fucking stop.

I expect this level of brainless from Reddit or the official LoL forums. Not from TL.

It may be a bit on the powerful side, but Soniv is right. By and large, in solo queue it's not going to be preventing you from winning games with things that you're comfortable with if you're actually playing well. You will still raise Elo if you're supposed to be doing so.

Obviously it's silly to quit the game because of BC but it is op and I'm really surprised it wasn't just hotfixed. It's obvious Riot wants to nerf the item quite hard by looking at PBE notes; why wait to at least get rid of the stacking?
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
December 13 2012 04:54 GMT
#3886
On December 13 2012 13:50 thenexusp wrote:
I've been playing almost exclusively teemo and loving every minute of it

does that make me a bad person

Yes, it's hard not to love playing Teemo, but you're making it miserable for everyone else.
3.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
December 13 2012 04:57 GMT
#3887
On December 13 2012 13:54 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 13:52 TheYango wrote:
Holy shit, everyone who's complaining about BC needs to fucking stop.

I expect this level of brainless from Reddit or the official LoL forums. Not from TL.

It may be a bit on the powerful side, but Soniv is right. By and large, in solo queue it's not going to be preventing you from winning games with things that you're comfortable with if you're actually playing well. You will still raise Elo if you're supposed to be doing so.

Obviously it's silly to quit the game because of BC but it is op and I'm really surprised it wasn't just hotfixed. It's obvious Riot wants to nerf the item quite hard by looking at PBE notes; why wait to at least get rid of the stacking?

Because that's not how release cycles work!
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
December 13 2012 04:57 GMT
#3888
On December 13 2012 13:54 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 13:52 TheYango wrote:
Holy shit, everyone who's complaining about BC needs to fucking stop.

I expect this level of brainless from Reddit or the official LoL forums. Not from TL.

It may be a bit on the powerful side, but Soniv is right. By and large, in solo queue it's not going to be preventing you from winning games with things that you're comfortable with if you're actually playing well. You will still raise Elo if you're supposed to be doing so.

Obviously it's silly to quit the game because of BC but it is op and I'm really surprised it wasn't just hotfixed. It's obvious Riot wants to nerf the item quite hard by looking at PBE notes; why wait to at least get rid of the stacking?

hotfixes alter the game mid game. suddenly making BCs not stack invalidates a large amount of games currently happening in ranked.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
December 13 2012 05:02 GMT
#3889
On December 13 2012 09:33 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Is jasari on NA server Nony/Tyler? I remember he used that acc on iccup and I just ran into 'jasari' ingame.

not me
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 13 2012 05:02 GMT
#3890
On December 13 2012 13:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 13:54 HazMat wrote:
On December 13 2012 13:52 TheYango wrote:
Holy shit, everyone who's complaining about BC needs to fucking stop.

I expect this level of brainless from Reddit or the official LoL forums. Not from TL.

It may be a bit on the powerful side, but Soniv is right. By and large, in solo queue it's not going to be preventing you from winning games with things that you're comfortable with if you're actually playing well. You will still raise Elo if you're supposed to be doing so.

Obviously it's silly to quit the game because of BC but it is op and I'm really surprised it wasn't just hotfixed. It's obvious Riot wants to nerf the item quite hard by looking at PBE notes; why wait to at least get rid of the stacking?

hotfixes alter the game mid game. suddenly making BCs not stack invalidates a large amount of games currently happening in ranked.


They never disable ranked games from midnight to 2am. NEVER.
Freeeeeeedom
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 05:04:50
December 13 2012 05:03 GMT
#3891
On December 13 2012 14:02 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 13:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
On December 13 2012 13:54 HazMat wrote:
On December 13 2012 13:52 TheYango wrote:
Holy shit, everyone who's complaining about BC needs to fucking stop.

I expect this level of brainless from Reddit or the official LoL forums. Not from TL.

It may be a bit on the powerful side, but Soniv is right. By and large, in solo queue it's not going to be preventing you from winning games with things that you're comfortable with if you're actually playing well. You will still raise Elo if you're supposed to be doing so.

Obviously it's silly to quit the game because of BC but it is op and I'm really surprised it wasn't just hotfixed. It's obvious Riot wants to nerf the item quite hard by looking at PBE notes; why wait to at least get rid of the stacking?

hotfixes alter the game mid game. suddenly making BCs not stack invalidates a large amount of games currently happening in ranked.


They never disable ranked games from midnight to 2am. NEVER.

yeah? and it's been like 4 days. BC stacking didn't become a THING until two days in, and then counterplay always takes longer. Then you are looking at 5-6 days, to see if counterplay develops and then the 7th day (when you patch anyway) to change something. might as well just wait for patch.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 13 2012 05:06 GMT
#3892
On December 13 2012 13:54 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 13:52 TheYango wrote:
Holy shit, everyone who's complaining about BC needs to fucking stop.

I expect this level of brainless from Reddit or the official LoL forums. Not from TL.

It may be a bit on the powerful side, but Soniv is right. By and large, in solo queue it's not going to be preventing you from winning games with things that you're comfortable with if you're actually playing well. You will still raise Elo if you're supposed to be doing so.

Obviously it's silly to quit the game because of BC but it is op and I'm really surprised it wasn't just hotfixed. It's obvious Riot wants to nerf the item quite hard by looking at PBE notes; why wait to at least get rid of the stacking?

I was about to say that it wasn't hotfix-worthy, then I went back and looked at the stupid shit they've hotfixed before.
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thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 05:16:27
December 13 2012 05:15 GMT
#3893
On December 13 2012 14:06 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 13:54 HazMat wrote:
On December 13 2012 13:52 TheYango wrote:
Holy shit, everyone who's complaining about BC needs to fucking stop.

I expect this level of brainless from Reddit or the official LoL forums. Not from TL.

It may be a bit on the powerful side, but Soniv is right. By and large, in solo queue it's not going to be preventing you from winning games with things that you're comfortable with if you're actually playing well. You will still raise Elo if you're supposed to be doing so.

Obviously it's silly to quit the game because of BC but it is op and I'm really surprised it wasn't just hotfixed. It's obvious Riot wants to nerf the item quite hard by looking at PBE notes; why wait to at least get rid of the stacking?

I was about to say that it wasn't hotfix-worthy, then I went back and looked at the stupid shit they've hotfixed before.

Now's as good a time as ever for Riot to adopt a sane hotfix policy. I mean, if they nerf bc and then accidentally destroy the servers over the weekend (hotfixes are easy to bungle), is that really an improvement of your lol experience?

Although for real, if they manage to fix viktor/annie bug before next tuesday we'll probably get the bc nerfs bundled with that bugfix.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
December 13 2012 05:41 GMT
#3894
New BC is still gonna be insane. 50 AD, 250 health, 10 arpen/cdr and 25% armor shred possibility is still too much for a 3000 gold item.

Compare it to a Trinity, trinity gives some stats that work really well, but over time. You're not going to proc sheen, zeal, and phage 4 times in one or two seconds AND do ridiculous amounts of damage. Too cost efficient.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
December 13 2012 05:51 GMT
#3895
only thing I care about in this whole black cleaver thing is brutalizer getting nerfed. the one item that allows you to be aggressive and have high risk high reward, nerfed. We want dat aggressive play but we only let you build passive items hu3hu3.

Also does anyone know on the test server how youmu's is affected since it builds from brutalizer? is it just gonna get a ton of free stats out of nowhere? l0l
I come in for the scraps
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 13 2012 05:58 GMT
#3896
Well thats why it shouldn't have gotten a non-yomumu's upgrade in the first place. It costs less than a BF sword, but is better. The BF sword used to build into the endgame items. BC means no risk in Brut.
Freeeeeeedom
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
December 13 2012 06:03 GMT
#3897
On December 13 2012 14:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
only thing I care about in this whole black cleaver thing is brutalizer getting nerfed. the one item that allows you to be aggressive and have high risk high reward, nerfed. We want dat aggressive play but we only let you build passive items hu3hu3.

Also does anyone know on the test server how youmu's is affected since it builds from brutalizer? is it just gonna get a ton of free stats out of nowhere? l0l


There's nothing high risk about being able to completely ignore anyones armor and bursting them in half a second. That's called a shitty design.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 13 2012 06:04 GMT
#3898
mabye this has been mentioned already but does anyone else suspect Vi might be "Six" the scar under he eye sure looks like the roman numeral.
Carrilord has arrived.
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
December 13 2012 06:08 GMT
#3899
On December 13 2012 15:04 Slusher wrote:
mabye this has been mentioned already but does anyone else suspect Vi might be "Six" the scar under he eye sure looks like the roman numeral.

Vi, hah, stands for violence!
Vi stands for vicious.
Vi stands for vice.

(ingame quotes ;p)
3.
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
December 13 2012 06:10 GMT
#3900
On December 13 2012 14:03 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 14:02 cLutZ wrote:
On December 13 2012 13:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
On December 13 2012 13:54 HazMat wrote:
On December 13 2012 13:52 TheYango wrote:
Holy shit, everyone who's complaining about BC needs to fucking stop.

I expect this level of brainless from Reddit or the official LoL forums. Not from TL.

It may be a bit on the powerful side, but Soniv is right. By and large, in solo queue it's not going to be preventing you from winning games with things that you're comfortable with if you're actually playing well. You will still raise Elo if you're supposed to be doing so.

Obviously it's silly to quit the game because of BC but it is op and I'm really surprised it wasn't just hotfixed. It's obvious Riot wants to nerf the item quite hard by looking at PBE notes; why wait to at least get rid of the stacking?

hotfixes alter the game mid game. suddenly making BCs not stack invalidates a large amount of games currently happening in ranked.


They never disable ranked games from midnight to 2am. NEVER.

yeah? and it's been like 4 days. BC stacking didn't become a THING until two days in, and then counterplay always takes longer. Then you are looking at 5-6 days, to see if counterplay develops and then the 7th day (when you patch anyway) to change something. might as well just wait for patch.

I'm with prince scissors, praying for divine intervention on the 7th day has always been a silly thing to expect.
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