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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On December 13 2012 03:38 fcgog wrote: creaton is better then haydal but Angush for me was always the worst player on curse.EU and i rated enemyz as the 2nd best top laner in europe behind whom? Darien?WickD?SoaZ? | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
But that's just me. Are the CDR and Armpen on Brutalizer and BC going to stack next patch? Will AD Casters be able to go Black Cleaver - Brutalizer - Last Whisper? Because that's almost the same as BC BC LW | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On December 13 2012 03:40 thenexusp wrote: If it's really that broken, there's no reason you can't just pick bruiser/AD assassin mid yourself and win games. People are really overblowing the need for a balance hotfix. hurricane is worst when a bruiser dives you and you're forced to kite him, and a PD would help a lot due to the higher single-target dps and MS but the hurricane just sucks there. Wait. When there is someone so broken that you basically HAVE TO play bruiser/ad caster how does it NOT need a hotfix? | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On December 13 2012 03:40 thenexusp wrote: If it's really that broken, there's no reason you can't just pick bruiser/AD assassin mid yourself and win games. People are really overblowing the need for a balance hotfix. hurricane is worst when a bruiser dives you and you're forced to kite him, and a PD would help a lot due to the higher single-target dps and MS but the hurricane just sucks there. Considering I rarely even see ap carries at all in games I'm pretty sure it's broken lol ~1800 elo. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Also, Neo, your icon changed to a marine for a few hours I think. What happen? | ||
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rhs408
United States904 Posts
On December 13 2012 03:34 thenexusp wrote: Yeah, but I keep getting the feeling that they would just die faster with a PD. Well when I got hurricane yesterday I actually got it after I already had a PD (other items were berserkers, IE, BT, BC, hurricane was my 6th item). Hurricane along with those items was pretty fucking ownage. I certainly wouldn't get hurricane any sooner than to be my last item though, but it's extra damage can really add up when you already have other strong items in your inventory. I think PD should definitely always be first though as far as improving dps, hurricane is just the icing on the cake. It is at least more cost efficient than a second PD would be imo. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
They're nerfing brutalizer and BC next patch. The game will be better that way, but it's nowhere near bad enough to warrant a hotfix right now. Geez. Maybe it's because I grew up on BW but the first reaction to something being imbalanced should not be "hotfix pls". In my day you were lucky if they even thought about a balance patch! | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On December 13 2012 04:00 thenexusp wrote: You have to play an AD carry in each game. You have to play with a jungler every game. And these are even more strict "have to" clauses than "You have to play a brusier/ad caster". The game is no where near designed to be viable with every possible combination of champions on a team. They're nerfing brutalizer and BC next patch. The game will be better that way, but it's nowhere near bad enough to warrant a hotfix right now. Geez. Maybe it's because I grew up on BW but the first reaction to something being imbalanced should not be "hotfix pls". In my day you were lucky if they even thought about a balance patch! BW is still horribly inbalanced when looking at stuff individually. However, combine all the broken elements and they happen to balance out Riot typically has kneejerk reactions so we want them to balance it (and they will, in a week) | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 13 2012 03:58 rhs408 wrote: Well when I got hurricane yesterday I actually got it after I already had a PD (other items were berserkers, IE, BT, BC, hurricane was my 6th item). Hurricane along with those items was pretty fucking ownage. I certainly wouldn't get hurricane any sooner than to be my last item though, but it's extra damage can really add up when you already have other strong items in your inventory. I think PD should definitely always be first though as far as improving dps, hurricane is just the icing on the cake. It is at least more cost efficient than a second PD would be imo. That's the thing, at the point where you already have IE and PD, you have too much invested in crit stats for Hurricane to be better since it can't crit. PD would be better from that point unless you somehow otherwise have 100% crit. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
Still, big stuff like psi storm no longer killing lurkers/muta in one cast, missile turret cost decrease, dragoon build time increase, etc etc. If BW introduced as many changes as Season 2 to Season 3, the balance patches would have to come a lot quicker. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 13 2012 04:04 101toss wrote: BW is still horribly inbalanced when looking at stuff individual. However, combine all the broken elements and they happen to balance out The thing with LoL is that Riot responds too quickly to things being "broken", so while there may actually be a multitude of broken things that are reasonably balanced amongst themselves, players only discover them one at a time, so it only seems that there's 1-2 broken really broken things, and by the time players discover new ones, Riot's already nerfed the old ones. A great example of this was the period of several months where Nocturne, GP, Lee Sin, Udyr, and Rammus were all the "most OP jungler" one after another. If you actually put all of them in their pre-nerf states together, they would probably be balanced with respect to one another, but because the player base only discovered them one at a time, and Riot nerfed them one at a time, it created the impression that there was always one "most OP" jungler. Admittedly, Riot has gotten much better about this, particularly with longer patch cycles. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On December 13 2012 03:55 Scip wrote: Also, Neo, your icon changed to a marine for a few hours I think. What happen? He used his ulti so you couldn't see clear anymore. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
they are very stubborn with this approach, i dont think they will change it. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On December 13 2012 04:10 mr_tolkien wrote: He used his ulti so you couldn't see clear anymore. Well played and Happy Birthday. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On December 13 2012 04:11 LaNague wrote: yes, Riot balances by nerfing the top 3 things every patch. they are very stubborn with this approach, i dont think they will change it. To be honest, I thought they would with Season 3. I guess it's just easier to nerf, and the LoL community is so used to whining=nerfs that if something doesn't get nerfed people start making threads titled "omg this red dagger so bad, I uninstall, HF no $ Ryut!" | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
On December 13 2012 04:13 thenexusp wrote: Well, as long as the BC whiners take the heat off my muramana ryze, i'll keep abusing him till he makes the top 3 list in some future week. Muramana Ryze is op, but it doesn't kick in until you stack your tear, and Ryze has some bad matchups mid. And in lower levels, Ryzes suck at stacking tear, so it's way less powerful. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On December 13 2012 03:40 thenexusp wrote: If it's really that broken, there's no reason you can't just pick bruiser/AD assassin mid yourself and win games. People are really overblowing the need for a balance hotfix. hurricane is worst when a bruiser dives you and you're forced to kite him, and a PD would help a lot due to the higher single-target dps and MS but the hurricane just sucks there. There's a reason people are saying (complaining) the game comes down to who has more black cleavers. Panth, Talon, and friends suddenly are seeing a ridiculous surge in usage, winrate, and more importantly, the standard counterplay (buy some armor so you dont get 100->0'd in a combo) DOESN'T WORK. A cleaver and a brutalizer will full-pen your armor, counting 5 Arpen mastery but no runes, from 55 armor. 100 Armor gets reduced to 30. And they're also getting free survivability and CDR. With a last whisper, 200 Armor gets reduced to 48 armor. That's bringing the malphites and other armor-happy people down to the armor level of AD carries late game. Just to make matters worse, if a team is stacking arpen, they synergize with each other by playing off each other's stacks. The AD carry doesn't even need a last whisper vs. 150 armor opponents, they can just mooch off cleavers or get their own cleaver (which has more stat efficiency and murders squishies straight up better / helps their AD caster murder everyone) This is what happens when you combine a great flat pen item in the game with something with a great % pen item in the game, and have them stack favorably, and then give the item 1000 gold more stats than its price. My solution so far has been "fuck armor (even GA), it doesn't work anyway, I'm buying a warmogs." "Just play an AD caster" might as well be telling people to run an AD caster jungle, mid, and top lane. Oh wait, this is already starting to happen. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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