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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
i can log into east, but not west | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2337 Posts
On December 12 2012 00:59 phyvo wrote: If you desperately needed MRES as a tank pre-patch you'd wouldn't rush FoN anyway. At most you'd get two negatrons and then build HP/armor items afterward until you were forced to complete FoN some point after Abyssal. If you want to stack mres now you can do exactly the the same thing except turn your negatrons/NMMs into SV and Bulwark too. Both of those give HP *and* mres (which are more effective than mres alone). But stacking mres questionable post-patch anyway with all these burst ADs running around blowing everything up and the penetration changes. The problem is 1/2 the time you don't have slots for more than a negatron. And you quite possibly already have HP from other items (maybe a warmog's/frozen mallet). The point is that there is no one single item that can bring your magic res up easily like you can with armour (thornmail, randuin's and frozen heart). Three high armour items vs zero high magic res items. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On December 12 2012 01:44 foxmeep wrote: The problem is 1/2 the time you don't have slots for more than a negatron. And you quite possibly already have HP from other items (maybe a warmog's/frozen mallet). The point is that there is no one single item that can bring your magic res up easily like you can with armour (thornmail, randuin's and frozen heart). Three high armour items vs zero high magic res items. FoN was a pretty shitty item anyways. BV would be better against a fed AP imo. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On December 12 2012 01:24 TheYango wrote: Honestly, once I get to the point where I know WHAT to buy, I'm just going to put everything I'd buy on each champ into custom recommended items and never have to actually navigate the shop again--since the shop now supports more than 6 recommended items. I said the same thing to myself in dota 2 but I have never actually done it yet | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On December 12 2012 01:23 overt wrote: I wanna play some AP mids today since I have today off. But I haven't played S3 Patch since like first two days of release. Is it really so bad that I should just not even bother with AP champs until BC fix? This is more blown out of proportion than WoW general forums. Seriously, never seen this kind of whining in any TL thread before. I main AP mid, and I've had much success with Zyra, Oriana, Kat, and Ahri. Bruisers are ouchy now with BC, but it doesn't mean they can't be CC'd or blown the fuck up. Jungle Diana still good too. One of the best things about playing AP now is that almost all bruisers are building very damage heavy (everyone's building like Kha'zix), so CC heavy AOE AP comps can just instawin teamfights. Played a game with AP Kennan top, Zyra mid, and Jungle Fiddle and we just melted them every teamfight. That was Leona/Talon bot lane (also AoE and CC). | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On December 12 2012 01:51 Crownlol wrote: This is more blown out of proportion than WoW general forums. Seriously, never seen this kind of whining in any TL thread before. I main AP mid, and I've had much success with Zyra, Oriana, Kat, and Ahri. Bruisers are ouchy now with BC, but it doesn't mean they can't be CC'd or blown the fuck up. Jungle Diana still good too. One of the best things about playing AP now is that almost all bruisers are building very damage heavy (everyone's building like Kha'zix), so CC heavy AOE AP comps can just instawin teamfights. Played a game with AP Kennan top, Zyra mid, and Jungle Fiddle and we just melted them every teamfight. That was Leona/Talon bot lane (also AoE and CC). Jungle Diana is freaking amazing. I got to play her last night and her clear time+gank potential is hilarious. I don't know what to build on her half the time but man if you can get the gold you can do some serious work, I almost won a 5v4 with her. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On December 12 2012 01:54 Parnage wrote: Jungle Diana is freaking amazing. I got to play her last night and her clear time+gank potential is hilarious. I don't know what to build on her half the time but man if you can get the gold you can do some serious work, I almost won a 5v4 with her. I too have problems with 5v4s. Man how do you beat people who are overleveled? Jungle Darius is also one of those junglers that just dominates because he's op, but is somewhat underplayed. Bad sustain too. | ||
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kongoline
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
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Inschato
Canada1349 Posts
 Additionally, I'm not one of those math nuts but if you're increasing your damage by X%, instead of reducing their mitigation by X%, I think you're getting less out of it. If DFG just shredded enemy Mres then it would be very comparable. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
Aphromoo playing support w/ CLG in scrims... trying out for the open position, or just happened to be available to sub? COMMENCE THE BASELESS SPECULATION.  | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
same with 3 wards in the same bush | ||
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Inschato
Canada1349 Posts
On December 12 2012 02:08 kainzero wrote: aphro leona would be top tier same with 3 wards in the same bush Imagine my disappointment to find the summoner name "2wards1bush" is only level 12 | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On December 11 2012 16:29 HeavOnEarth wrote: yoooo! whats ur ID ON LOLOL ?  Moh Cheech :D | ||
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
So instead of hating on the Black Cleaver, I want to embrace it. After reading this article (http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/a-different-view/emeraldw/22623-muramana-syndra-my-potential-is-limitless) I have been theory crafting a build to make it work. I think I've found a build crazy enough to work, so here is my first idea of a way to try it. Hybrid Reds. HP regen Yellows. Flat CDR Blues. Hybrid Quints. Your masteries are 21-0-9, get 1 point in Ghost, 4 points in cdr, 8% armour and magic penetration. +3 AD, +6 Armour pen, and Executioner. For the utility, get 1 point in flash, 3 in mana regen, 3 in more mana, 1 in summoner cdr, and longer buff durations. This set up gives us 8% + 20 armour penetration (this is enough for pretty much true damage from your right clicks vs. a squishy burst caster early game up until lvl 4 or so unless they run armour runes), 8% + 8.52 Magic Penetration (this is going to help your spells). ~10% cdr, Good HP sustain for early trading. Now the Core Items are Manamune, Black Cleaver with Nashor's Tooth. Black Cleaver and Nashor's Tooth + runes and masteries = ~40% CDR. The 40% CDR will help you turn your Manamune into a Muramana asap. The bonus attackspeed will help you get your black cleaver stacks up. Now you become a self peeling / aoe stunning, sustained dps with an incredible bursty assassination move. 5th Item can be Void Staff for raw magic pen, or a malady for more attackspeed and magic pen. You're probably going to want to get zerker's because of how painfully low your auto attackspeed per level is. | ||
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Shiv.
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Any opinions? Been going this super weird build of Longsword+2 into Bruta into boots, into Ruby into Vamp into BT into BC into Mercs with Furor. I figured he likes the Bruta but doesn't get THAT much from the BC passive as most his combo goes off without him really autoattacking, hence delaying it for the BT. It's a weird buildup and I'm not sure how well it works in ranked instead of normals, but so far, I'm really loving the champ. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On December 12 2012 02:53 Shiv. wrote: Been trying out Zed all day, not sure if legitimately good or Black Cleaver. Any opinions? Been going this super weird build of Longsword+2 into Bruta into boots, into Ruby into Vamp into BT into BC into Mercs with Furor. I figured he likes the Bruta but doesn't get THAT much from the BC passive as most his combo goes off without him really autoattacking, hence delaying it for the BT. It's a weird buildup and I'm not sure how well it works in ranked instead of normals, but so far, I'm really loving the champ. Any physical damage stacks the BC passive, not just autoattacks. That type of buildup seems like it'll become more common after the announced BC nerf. | ||
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rhs408
United States904 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
Item Changes The Black Cleaver Now gives +10 armor pen (down from 15) now reduces an enemy champion's armor by 6.25% per stack The Brutalizer Now gives +10 armor pen (down from 15) I honestly don't think it's going to be enough/nerfing the right part of cleaver. Worth noting though, that brutalizer is the only pen item that didn't get its pen dropped with the S3 changes. Thing is, even with nostacking cleaver + nerf, cleaver+LW is st ill going to reduce 200 armor to 67 (this assumes 8% arpen from masteries, but not 5 flat Arpen sunder.) Don't really think cleaver should have percent reduction - flat would be better because it enables AD casters to nuke squishies (much like AP casters) but still require last whisper to hurt armor-stackers significantly, rather than having two huge sources of (new and improved) %-based armor pen/reduction. | ||
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