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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
December 10 2012 21:28 GMT
#3121
Uh. So...what could Riot do to balance Black Cleavers?
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 21:30:41
December 10 2012 21:30 GMT
#3122
On December 11 2012 06:28 Praetorial wrote:
Uh. So...what could Riot do to balance Black Cleavers?

1. Axe the health (hue), and make it a liability to buy (maybe replace the ruby crystal with another longsword)
2. Make everything unique
3. Make it not gives 25 ad out of nowhere
4. Make sunfire capes stack
5. Completely neuter the item like they are doing it on the PBE
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 21:32:33
December 10 2012 21:31 GMT
#3123
For now though, if you're not playing malphite, it's pretty unrealistic to get levels of armor that actually do anything vs BC LW. Better to just stack health items in all honesty.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
December 10 2012 21:33 GMT
#3124
On December 11 2012 06:31 Amui wrote:
For now though, if you're not playing malphite, it's pretty unrealistic to get levels of armor that actually do anything vs BC LW. Better to just stack health items in all honesty.

garen can get the levels of armor. so can jarvan. Garen has an added bonus of being able to make BC effectively.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
December 10 2012 21:35 GMT
#3125
Jarvans armour boost isnt actually that big because his base armour is really low to compensate for his E passive. Also stacking armour on him is dumb when you can get BC like everyone else.

Garens one of the few ppl who might get away with it with randuins/GA/Sunfire as a god trio against AD assassins.
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
December 10 2012 21:35 GMT
#3126
So I noticed there's no Elise thread - what's the protocol for starting a champ thread? Should an accomplished Elise player create it or can I go ahead and make one if I keep it updated with experienced player's feedback?

I think once all of this black cleaver nonsense is over Elise will see some popularity. The spell pen changes and the addition of Iceborn Gauntlet have helped her out a lot.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
December 10 2012 21:36 GMT
#3127
BC Pantheon is so broken rofl. but they should just make it unique and it cant be that strong still
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 10 2012 21:38 GMT
#3128
Why was LoCicero owning it up on Nhats stream but not streaming!@
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
December 10 2012 21:42 GMT
#3129
On December 11 2012 06:35 c.Deadly wrote:
So I noticed there's no Elise thread - what's the protocol for starting a champ thread? Should an accomplished Elise player create it or can I go ahead and make one if I keep it updated with experienced player's feedback?

I think once all of this black cleaver nonsense is over Elise will see some popularity. The spell pen changes and the addition of Iceborn Gauntlet have helped her out a lot.

i was gonna make one but if you want to go ahead

i'm not that good so who knows if people would listen to anything i say.

i think she's still good even in league of black cleaver, she can dominate lane phase hard but it's very difficult to team fight with her. she's really squishy so you have to choose the right moment to dive in or you can cost your team the fight.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 10 2012 21:49 GMT
#3130
The protocol for a champ thread is ask Neo (make sure no one else is doing it) -> draft thread -> get Neo's approval.

Though I can tell you right now that FakeSteve is already working on an Elise thread.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
December 10 2012 21:52 GMT
#3131
I didn't ask Neo when I made a new Lux guide, am I a bad person?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 21:59:43
December 10 2012 21:58 GMT
#3132
Yea I just posted my Volibear thread like a BEAST

p.s. I can give some insight on mid matchups to whoever is doing elise thread, but I've taken a break from playing APs till the next patch so my experience is limited with new items
Carrilord has arrived.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
December 10 2012 21:59 GMT
#3133
On the subject of what NOT to do with a champion guide OP:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=387290
I am a bit amused how my 'last word' post makes it look like I locked the thread rather than Neo or another mod doing it. Now I'm just annoyed how he was taking feedback on the guide, but completely ignoring the "please write your guide on our forum instead of just giving a link."

As long as you're willing to update your OP with advice from other players (especially good players) and not fill your guide with advice that won't work at upper levels of play, it doesn't really matter if you're low Elo writing a guide.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 22:04:34
December 10 2012 22:02 GMT
#3134
That guide was so bad for so many reasons anyway. it's hard for me to comment on what is good for FIzz atm because he sucks in the BC frenzy enviroment but that guide was not what I imagine it will be when thing settle down.

tbh my main problem with it is if you want to write a Fizz guide w/o matchup info don't even bother, like 90% of playing Fizz is the matchup, not weather or not you rush Lich or not.
Carrilord has arrived.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 10 2012 22:03 GMT
#3135
On December 11 2012 06:52 Ketara wrote:
I didn't ask Neo when I made a new Lux guide, am I a bad person?

So long as your thread isn't bad that shouldn't be a problem.

(Bribing people with cookies also helps *wink wink*)
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 10 2012 22:11 GMT
#3136
On December 11 2012 06:30 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 06:28 Praetorial wrote:
Uh. So...what could Riot do to balance Black Cleavers?

1. Axe the health (hue), and make it a liability to buy (maybe replace the ruby crystal with another longsword)
2. Make everything unique
3. Make it not gives 25 ad out of nowhere
4. Make sunfire capes stack
5. Completely neuter the item like they are doing it on the PBE


1. That makes sense...but the health isn't the issue.
2. Passive and CDR for sure.
3. Indeed, but still not the problem.
4. ?
5. The PBE item is not terrible. Armor shred is just incredibly strong now.
Freeeeeeedom
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9805 Posts
December 10 2012 22:14 GMT
#3137
On December 11 2012 07:03 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 06:52 Ketara wrote:
I didn't ask Neo when I made a new Lux guide, am I a bad person?

So long as your thread isn't bad that shouldn't be a problem.

(Bribing people with cookies total biscuits also helps *wink wink*)

Champ threads are mostly for the sub-plat population anyways. Don't worry about trying to teach high level players new things.
boomer hands
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 22:24:49
December 10 2012 22:18 GMT
#3138
Who needs a guide these days anyways? Here's my guide to playing effectively post patch all summarized in 8 lines for people who need build orders.

1) Find a champion that has physical damage spells.
2) Build a Black Cleaver
3) Do you do enough damage yet? If no, build another Black Cleaver. If yes, build another Black Cleaver.
4) Does opponent now have 200 armor? If no, proceed to 5. If yes, proceed to 6.
5) Build Black Cleaver. Go back to step 4 upon completion.
6) Build Last Whisper.
7) Build Black Cleavers until you've maxed out at 6 items.
8) If Black Cleaver count on your team > Black Cleaver count on enemy team, then victory. Else, defeat.

Here's my tier list as well:

Tier 1) Champion utilizes black cleaver well? If yes, you go here.
Tier 2) Champion utilize black cleaver somewhat well? If yes, you go here.
Tier 3) Champion has little synergy with black cleaver? If yes, you go here.
Tier Shit) Champion has no synergy with black cleaver? If yes, unfortunately you're worthless.
God Bless
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
December 10 2012 22:19 GMT
#3139
Should I get Talon while he's on sale? Is he awesome now?

I want Talon to be awesome, but I'm scared and need a hug.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 10 2012 22:20 GMT
#3140
Talon is awesome, he always was. You just have to embrace the fact that you're playing a champ because you like it and not because it's some skewed bullshit or FotM like Darius, Anivia or release Jayce.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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