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On December 11 2012 04:04 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 03:11 AsmodeusXI wrote:On December 11 2012 03:07 Noro wrote:
League changes..
SC2 Beta changes..
Final Exams..
I'm so torn :0 You realize, of course, there are only two real choices listed there. You know which they are. Finals and finals, you can thank me later Playing League and SC2 now means your future will take a hit. Note how most of the pro-LoL players don't seem very educated and come off as angry 10 year olds. SC is a bit more respectable, but there's not a big future unless you are the best of the best edit: I'd like to add that I did really poorly at school for a term due to LoL. You gotta resist those urges, mang
He's right, of course. Do what he says. School > Games.
But also...
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On December 11 2012 03:07 Noro wrote:
League changes..
SC2 Beta changes..
Final Exams..
I'm so torn :0
Same, this patch is such terrible timing for me... as if I wasn't suffering enough from senioritis already! and I have to prepare for interviews this week too. D:
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On December 11 2012 03:34 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 03:17 ItsFunToLose wrote:
Just throwing this out there as a thought experiment:
What would adding a 3rd summoner spell slot to the game do? Doublelift would try to run 2 cleanse + flash. All joking aside, it'd probably be flash + ignite + exhaust. Your dueling capabilities would beyond good. Also, isn't Smash supposed to be on QC team of Riot? How did he let Black Cleaver go into the patch in its current op'd form?
BC op on bruisers and assassins. Smash mains bruisers. Coincidence??? #conspiracyhat
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On December 11 2012 04:09 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 04:04 101toss wrote:On December 11 2012 03:11 AsmodeusXI wrote:On December 11 2012 03:07 Noro wrote:
League changes..
SC2 Beta changes..
Final Exams..
I'm so torn :0 You realize, of course, there are only two real choices listed there. You know which they are. Finals and finals, you can thank me later Playing League and SC2 now means your future will take a hit. Note how most of the pro-LoL players don't seem very educated and come off as angry 10 year olds. SC is a bit more respectable, but there's not a big future unless you are the best of the best edit: I'd like to add that I did really poorly at school for a term due to LoL. You gotta resist those urges, mang He's right, of course. Do what he says. School > Games. But also... + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_5dP_83O7o
because league is srs bsns
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On December 11 2012 04:13 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 03:34 wei2coolman wrote:On December 11 2012 03:17 ItsFunToLose wrote:
Just throwing this out there as a thought experiment:
What would adding a 3rd summoner spell slot to the game do? Doublelift would try to run 2 cleanse + flash. All joking aside, it'd probably be flash + ignite + exhaust. Your dueling capabilities would beyond good. Also, isn't Smash supposed to be on QC team of Riot? How did he let Black Cleaver go into the patch in its current op'd form? BC op on bruisers and assassins. Smash mains bruisers. Coincidence??? #conspiracyhat
How convenient he misses the "non"unique on BC passive. Ulterior motives... We're on to you smash!
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Smash 3 shots stuff with Xin so BC not interesting to him anyway. 
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So apparently my stream stutters during teamfights, but I don't notice anything on my end. Anyone know why that'd be happening?
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On December 11 2012 04:09 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 04:04 101toss wrote:On December 11 2012 03:11 AsmodeusXI wrote:On December 11 2012 03:07 Noro wrote:
League changes..
SC2 Beta changes..
Final Exams..
I'm so torn :0 You realize, of course, there are only two real choices listed there. You know which they are. Finals and finals, you can thank me later Playing League and SC2 now means your future will take a hit. Note how most of the pro-LoL players don't seem very educated and come off as angry 10 year olds. SC is a bit more respectable, but there's not a big future unless you are the best of the best edit: I'd like to add that I did really poorly at school for a term due to LoL. You gotta resist those urges, mang He's right, of course. Do what he says. School > Games. But also... + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_5dP_83O7o
yep. League is so much better when you are making da monies (due to staying in school!) and you can just go buy RP all the time without giving a shit*
*note: this isn't going to happen, rent is fucking expensive
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On December 11 2012 04:21 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 04:09 AsmodeusXI wrote:On December 11 2012 04:04 101toss wrote:On December 11 2012 03:11 AsmodeusXI wrote:On December 11 2012 03:07 Noro wrote:
League changes..
SC2 Beta changes..
Final Exams..
I'm so torn :0 You realize, of course, there are only two real choices listed there. You know which they are. Finals and finals, you can thank me later Playing League and SC2 now means your future will take a hit. Note how most of the pro-LoL players don't seem very educated and come off as angry 10 year olds. SC is a bit more respectable, but there's not a big future unless you are the best of the best edit: I'd like to add that I did really poorly at school for a term due to LoL. You gotta resist those urges, mang He's right, of course. Do what he says. School > Games. But also... + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_5dP_83O7o yep. League is so much better when you are making da monies (due to staying in school!) and you can just go buy RP all the time without giving a shit* *note: this isn't going to happen, rent is fucking expensive
Right... ummm... you def can't... just buy RP... all the time...
+ Show Spoiler +IT'S ALL I DO. BUY RP AND NEW GAMES. AND I CAN'T PLAY ALL THE HEROES AND GAMES HEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPP
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On December 11 2012 02:12 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 16:48 BlasiuS wrote:On December 10 2012 16:28 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 10 2012 16:19 wei2coolman wrote:This patch is the dumbest iteration of League that I have ever played. Holy shit when are they going to fix roit pls -Doublelift. I haven't seen him build a single new item yet, but BC stack would be pretty frustrating imo. i mean does anyone actually think otherwise? when even doublelift is right, you know something is wrong. been playing since beta and this is no doubt the worst league has ever been. There was never a doubt that there would be some imbalance issues with an update this big. But can you honestly say this isn't a good direction for league? You can't. Tons of new items for almost every role, there's now good variety where there used to be static builds, the masteries are a big improvement, boots changes have allowed for much more diverse openings, and the T3 enchantments allow for even more customization late game. To top it off, they, for the most part, did this while allowing established standard builds to remain strong. There's some imba stuff that needs changes, but overall the design of season 3 is pretty fucking solid. Tons of Useless new items for every role is the problem, its like there is 20 madreds bloodrazors now. You think with how long they took to send this patch out most items would be at least okay, but the same builds are still the best minus black cleaver/liandry's. Also its sad that different openings is seen as a new thing just shows that the boots meta lasted for way too long, there used to be pretty decent variety in starts before they fiddled with the dorans items and made the jungle/ganking really easy so that you NEED boots. Finally, most of the new items are legendary tier so even if they are decent/good you don't really get to employ them. Most games end by the time around you finish 1 maybe 2 legendary items. They didnt add enough early game/mid game items. Finally, the lag problems and broken stuff right now makes it unplayable. So I dont think im wrong in saying that IN ITS CURRENT STATE, it is the worst league has ever been. does not mean they cannot fix it.
Referencing past meta is irrelevant. How many items you finish in a shorter game is also irrelevant. There's no systemic lag problems.
If you're worried about imba stuff that's only going to last maybe another couple of weeks at most, you're just getting worked up over nothing.
You didn't really give any compelling reasons to suggest that league has taken a turn for the worse in season 3.
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On December 11 2012 03:56 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 03:47 AsnSensation wrote:
As a LoL only boy ( followed old Dota) but no Dota 2 scene, how good is the new Liquid team in their respective pro scene? Like to which LoL Team Could I compared them to in terms of powerlevels just to get an idea how strong the new liquid team is. TL > iG + DK combined, ez.*** *** + Show Spoiler +
Complexity was one of the better Western teams but they had some obvious faults due to some of their players I feel. Now it's the core 3 players from Complexity with 2 of the best players in North America added to the mix(Korok/Bulba). Hard to tell how well they will do but the hope is quite high. I would imagine you can compare them to a CLG.NA where Hotshot is really good, jiji is not underperforming and their support is solid.
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So I wanted to really analyze why I think cleaver is OP - the item is overbudget and is completely breaking Riot's new design philosophy that tier 3 items shouldn't have so many free stats.
The problem with Black Cleaver - the item is over-budget.
Riot stated and executed a significant design change with S3 items - the "free stats" you get from combining items into a high-tier item went down significantly. This is reflected in most items in the game.
Furthermore, they made penetration cost more, in general (reflected in runes, as well as sorc boots, haunting guise, and last whisper)
Now let's look at Black Cleaver.
3000 gold, broken into:
1337 brutalizer (15 arpen, 10 CDR, 25 damage)
425 Ruby Crystal (180 health)
1138 combine cost (+25 damage, stacking armor debuff which goes up to 30% armor reduction)
1) Brutalizer is the ONLY penetration item which didn't get its penetration reduced with the S3 changes. (This is getting changed next patch, for good reason - there's no reason for it to be left out)
2 - the real problem) Black cleaver is getting a SHIT TON of free stats when you combine it.
It's getting +25 AD from nowhere (value of pickaxe) AND it's getting the armor debuff which is nearly as strong as last whisper (it has advantages over last whisper in that it affects your allies, but disadvantages in that you have to stack it... until you buy 4 black cleavers.)
This level of free stats when you combine an item is STRICTLY against Riot's S3 alleged item design philosophy. You're getting like 1800 gold worth of stats for only 1100. Other items, like IE, give you very little free stats now from combine - focusing most of the combine gold on the "special part" and not on raw stats. Cleaver is getting 25 AD (value: ~900 gold) AND a "special part" similar to [but stacking with] last whisper (which has a combine cost of ~900 gold.)
Of course the item is OP when it is BOTH A) Stackable (not unique) and B) giving you an extremely efficient package of ALL THE THINGS that your character wants. (An AD caster pretty much wants: Armor Pen, CD, and maybe a little survivability)
Stacking isn't even the ROOT of the problem - it's a side effect of an already OP item being stackable.
TL;DR - why 25 free AD on cleaver? It completely breaks what Riot said they wanted Season 3 top tier items to be.
Make the recipe include a pickaxe if you want to put that much AD on it, or drop the AD so that AD casters need to combine it with +AD items to get the most out of it.
(I think the proposed nerf isn't going to make black cleaver a balanced item - it's just going to not be stacked and look like BC + LW instead of 2+ BCs because even the proposed nerfed cleaver is still overbudget for the above reasons. Additionally, Smash said he thought cleaver was in a good spot before they added the ruby crystal and extra AD to it - I agree with that statement. I tried it out on PBE in that state and it seemed solid.)
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On December 11 2012 04:34 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 03:56 AsmodeusXI wrote:On December 11 2012 03:47 AsnSensation wrote:
As a LoL only boy ( followed old Dota) but no Dota 2 scene, how good is the new Liquid team in their respective pro scene? Like to which LoL Team Could I compared them to in terms of powerlevels just to get an idea how strong the new liquid team is. TL > iG + DK combined, ez.*** *** + Show Spoiler + Complexity was one of the better Western teams but they had some obvious faults due to some of their players I feel. Now it's the core 3 players from Complexity with 2 of the best players in North America added to the mix(Korok/Bulba). Hard to tell how well they will do but the hope is quite high. I would imagine you can compare them to a CLG.NA where Hotshot is really good, jiji is not underperforming and their support is solid.
What a crazy fantasy world that would be!
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On December 11 2012 04:23 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 04:21 thenexusp wrote:On December 11 2012 04:09 AsmodeusXI wrote:On December 11 2012 04:04 101toss wrote:On December 11 2012 03:11 AsmodeusXI wrote:On December 11 2012 03:07 Noro wrote:
League changes..
SC2 Beta changes..
Final Exams..
I'm so torn :0 You realize, of course, there are only two real choices listed there. You know which they are. Finals and finals, you can thank me later Playing League and SC2 now means your future will take a hit. Note how most of the pro-LoL players don't seem very educated and come off as angry 10 year olds. SC is a bit more respectable, but there's not a big future unless you are the best of the best edit: I'd like to add that I did really poorly at school for a term due to LoL. You gotta resist those urges, mang He's right, of course. Do what he says. School > Games. But also... + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_5dP_83O7o yep. League is so much better when you are making da monies (due to staying in school!) and you can just go buy RP all the time without giving a shit* *note: this isn't going to happen, rent is fucking expensive Right... ummm... you def can't... just buy RP... all the time... + Show Spoiler +IT'S ALL I DO. BUY RP AND NEW GAMES. AND I CAN'T PLAY ALL THE HEROES AND GAMES HEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPP
It's ok, just ONLY buy heroes that are on sale. They're on sale! The perfect excuse to spend money on them!
+ Show Spoiler +Maybe this isn't a great idea too. I don't even have enough free time to play 50% of the champions I buy on sale.
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On December 11 2012 04:47 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 04:23 AsmodeusXI wrote:On December 11 2012 04:21 thenexusp wrote:On December 11 2012 04:09 AsmodeusXI wrote:On December 11 2012 04:04 101toss wrote:On December 11 2012 03:11 AsmodeusXI wrote:On December 11 2012 03:07 Noro wrote:
League changes..
SC2 Beta changes..
Final Exams..
I'm so torn :0 You realize, of course, there are only two real choices listed there. You know which they are. Finals and finals, you can thank me later Playing League and SC2 now means your future will take a hit. Note how most of the pro-LoL players don't seem very educated and come off as angry 10 year olds. SC is a bit more respectable, but there's not a big future unless you are the best of the best edit: I'd like to add that I did really poorly at school for a term due to LoL. You gotta resist those urges, mang He's right, of course. Do what he says. School > Games. But also... + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_5dP_83O7o yep. League is so much better when you are making da monies (due to staying in school!) and you can just go buy RP all the time without giving a shit* *note: this isn't going to happen, rent is fucking expensive Right... ummm... you def can't... just buy RP... all the time... + Show Spoiler +IT'S ALL I DO. BUY RP AND NEW GAMES. AND I CAN'T PLAY ALL THE HEROES AND GAMES HEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPP It's ok, just ONLY buy heroes that are on sale. They're on sale! The perfect excuse to spend money on them!
SKIN BUNDLES THO. SKIN BUNDLES ARE SALEZ, RITE?!
*froths at mouth*
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On December 11 2012 04:29 BlasiuS wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 02:12 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 10 2012 16:48 BlasiuS wrote:On December 10 2012 16:28 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 10 2012 16:19 wei2coolman wrote:This patch is the dumbest iteration of League that I have ever played. Holy shit when are they going to fix roit pls -Doublelift. I haven't seen him build a single new item yet, but BC stack would be pretty frustrating imo. i mean does anyone actually think otherwise? when even doublelift is right, you know something is wrong. been playing since beta and this is no doubt the worst league has ever been. There was never a doubt that there would be some imbalance issues with an update this big. But can you honestly say this isn't a good direction for league? You can't. Tons of new items for almost every role, there's now good variety where there used to be static builds, the masteries are a big improvement, boots changes have allowed for much more diverse openings, and the T3 enchantments allow for even more customization late game. To top it off, they, for the most part, did this while allowing established standard builds to remain strong. There's some imba stuff that needs changes, but overall the design of season 3 is pretty fucking solid. Tons of Useless new items for every role is the problem, its like there is 20 madreds bloodrazors now. You think with how long they took to send this patch out most items would be at least okay, but the same builds are still the best minus black cleaver/liandry's. Also its sad that different openings is seen as a new thing just shows that the boots meta lasted for way too long, there used to be pretty decent variety in starts before they fiddled with the dorans items and made the jungle/ganking really easy so that you NEED boots. Finally, most of the new items are legendary tier so even if they are decent/good you don't really get to employ them. Most games end by the time around you finish 1 maybe 2 legendary items. They didnt add enough early game/mid game items. Finally, the lag problems and broken stuff right now makes it unplayable. So I dont think im wrong in saying that IN ITS CURRENT STATE, it is the worst league has ever been. does not mean they cannot fix it. Referencing past meta is irrelevant. How many items you finish in a shorter game is also irrelevant. There's no systemic lag problems. If you're worried about imba stuff that's only going to last maybe another couple of weeks at most, you're just getting worked up over nothing. You didn't really give any compelling reasons to suggest that league has taken a turn for the worse in season 3.
you didnt give any reasons as to why its going in the right direction, so you're not really adding much to the discussion. I just told you how there really arent more openings then before, you only think there is more customization because its new and shiny, whereas its really just the same shit different day, and how most of the items are completely useless or broken, nowhere in between. How is this game going in the right direction again?
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I dunno, I think most of the other items besides Cleaver are in good places. Liandry's seems "OP" to many people, but I think it's overrated in most cases that are not teemo. Muramana is only really OP in its interaction with Ryze, and mostly seems just 'interesting' to me on everyone else.
I like the new design philosophy that top tier items should not be way more gold-efficient than base/mid tier items (but they failed to follow that philosophy in several cases)
So in those cases, I think they ARE going in the right direction.
On December 11 2012 04:51 AsmodeusXI wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2012 04:47 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 04:23 AsmodeusXI wrote:On December 11 2012 04:21 thenexusp wrote:On December 11 2012 04:09 AsmodeusXI wrote:On December 11 2012 04:04 101toss wrote:On December 11 2012 03:11 AsmodeusXI wrote:On December 11 2012 03:07 Noro wrote:
League changes..
SC2 Beta changes..
Final Exams..
I'm so torn :0 You realize, of course, there are only two real choices listed there. You know which they are. Finals and finals, you can thank me later Playing League and SC2 now means your future will take a hit. Note how most of the pro-LoL players don't seem very educated and come off as angry 10 year olds. SC is a bit more respectable, but there's not a big future unless you are the best of the best edit: I'd like to add that I did really poorly at school for a term due to LoL. You gotta resist those urges, mang He's right, of course. Do what he says. School > Games. But also... + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_5dP_83O7o yep. League is so much better when you are making da monies (due to staying in school!) and you can just go buy RP all the time without giving a shit* *note: this isn't going to happen, rent is fucking expensive Right... ummm... you def can't... just buy RP... all the time... + Show Spoiler +IT'S ALL I DO. BUY RP AND NEW GAMES. AND I CAN'T PLAY ALL THE HEROES AND GAMES HEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPP It's ok, just ONLY buy heroes that are on sale. They're on sale! The perfect excuse to spend money on them! SKIN BUNDLES THO. SKIN BUNDLES ARE SALEZ, RITE?! *froths at mouth*
Yes they are :D *pulls out wallet*
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On December 11 2012 04:54 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 04:29 BlasiuS wrote:On December 11 2012 02:12 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 10 2012 16:48 BlasiuS wrote:On December 10 2012 16:28 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 10 2012 16:19 wei2coolman wrote:This patch is the dumbest iteration of League that I have ever played. Holy shit when are they going to fix roit pls -Doublelift. I haven't seen him build a single new item yet, but BC stack would be pretty frustrating imo. i mean does anyone actually think otherwise? when even doublelift is right, you know something is wrong. been playing since beta and this is no doubt the worst league has ever been. There was never a doubt that there would be some imbalance issues with an update this big. But can you honestly say this isn't a good direction for league? You can't. Tons of new items for almost every role, there's now good variety where there used to be static builds, the masteries are a big improvement, boots changes have allowed for much more diverse openings, and the T3 enchantments allow for even more customization late game. To top it off, they, for the most part, did this while allowing established standard builds to remain strong. There's some imba stuff that needs changes, but overall the design of season 3 is pretty fucking solid. Tons of Useless new items for every role is the problem, its like there is 20 madreds bloodrazors now. You think with how long they took to send this patch out most items would be at least okay, but the same builds are still the best minus black cleaver/liandry's. Also its sad that different openings is seen as a new thing just shows that the boots meta lasted for way too long, there used to be pretty decent variety in starts before they fiddled with the dorans items and made the jungle/ganking really easy so that you NEED boots. Finally, most of the new items are legendary tier so even if they are decent/good you don't really get to employ them. Most games end by the time around you finish 1 maybe 2 legendary items. They didnt add enough early game/mid game items. Finally, the lag problems and broken stuff right now makes it unplayable. So I dont think im wrong in saying that IN ITS CURRENT STATE, it is the worst league has ever been. does not mean they cannot fix it. Referencing past meta is irrelevant. How many items you finish in a shorter game is also irrelevant. There's no systemic lag problems. If you're worried about imba stuff that's only going to last maybe another couple of weeks at most, you're just getting worked up over nothing. You didn't really give any compelling reasons to suggest that league has taken a turn for the worse in season 3. you didnt give any reasons as to why its going in the right direction, so you're not really adding much to the discussion. I just told you how there really arent more openings then before, you only think there is more customization because its new and shiny, whereas its really just the same shit different day, and how most of the items are completely useless or broken, nowhere in between. How is this game going in the right direction again?
Why do you only respond to the weakly-argued counterpost with "you didn't give any reasons" when there are already stronger responses in this thread
On December 11 2012 02:25 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 02:12 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 10 2012 16:48 BlasiuS wrote:On December 10 2012 16:28 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 10 2012 16:19 wei2coolman wrote:This patch is the dumbest iteration of League that I have ever played. Holy shit when are they going to fix roit pls -Doublelift. I haven't seen him build a single new item yet, but BC stack would be pretty frustrating imo. i mean does anyone actually think otherwise? when even doublelift is right, you know something is wrong. been playing since beta and this is no doubt the worst league has ever been. There was never a doubt that there would be some imbalance issues with an update this big. But can you honestly say this isn't a good direction for league? You can't. Tons of new items for almost every role, there's now good variety where there used to be static builds, the masteries are a big improvement, boots changes have allowed for much more diverse openings, and the T3 enchantments allow for even more customization late game. To top it off, they, for the most part, did this while allowing established standard builds to remain strong. There's some imba stuff that needs changes, but overall the design of season 3 is pretty fucking solid. Tons of Useless new items for every role is the problem, its like there is 20 madreds bloodrazors now. You think with how long they took to send this patch out most items would be at least okay, but the same builds are still the best minus black cleaver/liandry's. Also its sad that different openings is seen as a new thing just shows that the boots meta lasted for way too long, there used to be pretty decent variety in starts before they fiddled with the dorans items and made the jungle/ganking really easy so that you NEED boots. Finally, most of the new items are legendary tier so even if they are decent/good you don't really get to employ them. Most games end by the time around you finish 1 maybe 2 legendary items. They didnt add enough early game/mid game items. Finally, the lag problems and broken stuff right now makes it unplayable. So I dont think im wrong in saying that IN ITS CURRENT STATE, it is the worst league has ever been. does not mean they cannot fix it. Outside of the Cleaver issue, I actually think the item changes are much better than you say. Very few of the items suffer from Bloodrazor's issues. Some might be a little too weak or a little too strong, but in general almost all the items that were added have some role which they can play, given the right champion or meta. The problem continues to be that the community has a very low tolerance for experimentation. In 1v1 games, such as Starcraft, you can experiment very heavily without affecting anyone other than yourself. In League, however, experimenting with different item builds affects a team of people. This has a lot to do with the slow rate of change in the meta, despite there being fairly obvious avenues of exploration to consider. Even in the current chaos attempting a new build can earn you a lot of ire if it isn't a resounding success (even if a standard build would have been a disaster).
On December 11 2012 02:32 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 02:25 Seuss wrote:On December 11 2012 02:12 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 10 2012 16:48 BlasiuS wrote:On December 10 2012 16:28 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 10 2012 16:19 wei2coolman wrote:This patch is the dumbest iteration of League that I have ever played. Holy shit when are they going to fix roit pls -Doublelift. I haven't seen him build a single new item yet, but BC stack would be pretty frustrating imo. i mean does anyone actually think otherwise? when even doublelift is right, you know something is wrong. been playing since beta and this is no doubt the worst league has ever been. There was never a doubt that there would be some imbalance issues with an update this big. But can you honestly say this isn't a good direction for league? You can't. Tons of new items for almost every role, there's now good variety where there used to be static builds, the masteries are a big improvement, boots changes have allowed for much more diverse openings, and the T3 enchantments allow for even more customization late game. To top it off, they, for the most part, did this while allowing established standard builds to remain strong. There's some imba stuff that needs changes, but overall the design of season 3 is pretty fucking solid. Tons of Useless new items for every role is the problem, its like there is 20 madreds bloodrazors now. You think with how long they took to send this patch out most items would be at least okay, but the same builds are still the best minus black cleaver/liandry's. Also its sad that different openings is seen as a new thing just shows that the boots meta lasted for way too long, there used to be pretty decent variety in starts before they fiddled with the dorans items and made the jungle/ganking really easy so that you NEED boots. Finally, most of the new items are legendary tier so even if they are decent/good you don't really get to employ them. Most games end by the time around you finish 1 maybe 2 legendary items. They didnt add enough early game/mid game items. Finally, the lag problems and broken stuff right now makes it unplayable. So I dont think im wrong in saying that IN ITS CURRENT STATE, it is the worst league has ever been. does not mean they cannot fix it. Outside of the Cleaver issue, I actually think the item changes are much better than you say. Very few of the items suffer from Bloodrazor's issues. Some might be a little too weak or a little too strong, but in general almost all the items that were added have some role which they can play, given the right champion or meta. The problem continues to be that the community has a very low tolerance for experimentation. In 1v1 games, such as Starcraft, you can experiment very heavily without affecting anyone other than yourself. In League, however, experimenting with different item builds affects a team of people. This has a lot to do with the slow rate of change in the meta, despite there being fairly obvious avenues of exploration to consider. Even in the current chaos attempting a new build can earn you a lot of ire if it isn't a resounding success (even if a standard build would have been a disaster). People also have a very cookie-cutter mindset about their item builds, opting for more or less the same items game after game, rather than making situational item choices based on how the game plays out. This extends even up to the professional level. Past the point where you actually understand what every item in the game actually does, your approach to itemization on a champ should not be "what build do I go on this champ?" (which is how 99% of people approach learning a champ, even on TL) but "how are each of these items beneficial to this champ and in what scenarios is it a good choice?"
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I still maintain liandry's is an ap mbr and doesn't do as much damage as you would want for the cost
Initially I thought MR mitigated it too much, but as it turns out Seuss pointed out a weird mechanic that lowers it's damage as well.
Also gonna try mikaels on top yeti, twin shadows seems too out of the way but I might give it a go as well
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On December 11 2012 02:14 YouGotNothin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 01:36 overt wrote:
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Fiora is more viable but she isn't as bursty as Talon or Panth although new BC plus Hydra makes her burst down AD carries and supports real fast. Plus her ult is way scarier in teamfights now. Oh man I hope Fiora becomes more viable. I have always liked her design but felt she kind of was just a weaker version of Jax. However I just bought her on a whim yesterday and now want to start testing out builds on her. Any ideas? I definitely want to try out the Hydra, and Zephyr also seems to synergize with her well.
long sword + 2 -> vamp scepter
vs aggressive lanes get another vamp, vs passive lanes go toward tiamat, in aggressive lanes grab a bilgewater before tiamat
hydra/sotrk/GA last three items variable, BC/LW/Atmogs+ghostblade/furor boots.
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