EPTOn December 11 2012 00:40 greggy wrote:
wtf shaco has sixth highest win rate
wtf shaco has sixth highest win rate
shaco's winrate has historically always been high in solo queue. Counterintuitively he does better at high elos than low elos.
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
shaco's winrate has historically always been high in solo queue. Counterintuitively he does better at high elos than low elos. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 11 2012 02:00 ticklishmusic wrote: Blah, I'm really sad they didn't make a melee ADC item. What would make a good melee adc item? | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On December 10 2012 16:48 BlasiuS wrote: There was never a doubt that there would be some imbalance issues with an update this big. But can you honestly say this isn't a good direction for league? You can't. Tons of new items for almost every role, there's now good variety where there used to be static builds, the masteries are a big improvement, boots changes have allowed for much more diverse openings, and the T3 enchantments allow for even more customization late game. To top it off, they, for the most part, did this while allowing established standard builds to remain strong. There's some imba stuff that needs changes, but overall the design of season 3 is pretty fucking solid. Tons of Useless new items for every role is the problem, its like there is 20 madreds bloodrazors now. You think with how long they took to send this patch out most items would be at least okay, but the same builds are still the best minus black cleaver/liandry's. Also its sad that different openings is seen as a new thing  just shows that the boots meta lasted for way too long, there used to be pretty decent variety in starts before they fiddled with the dorans items and made the jungle/ganking really easy so that you NEED boots. Finally, most of the new items are legendary tier so even if they are decent/good you don't really get to employ them. Most games end by the time around you finish 1 maybe 2 legendary items. They didnt add enough early game/mid game items. Finally, the lag problems and broken stuff right now makes it unplayable. So I dont think im wrong in saying that IN ITS CURRENT STATE, it is the worst league has ever been. does not mean they cannot fix it. | ||
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
On December 11 2012 01:36 overt wrote: EDIT: Fiora is more viable but she isn't as bursty as Talon or Panth although new BC plus Hydra makes her burst down AD carries and supports real fast. Plus her ult is way scarier in teamfights now. Oh man I hope Fiora becomes more viable. I have always liked her design but felt she kind of was just a weaker version of Jax. However I just bought her on a whim yesterday and now want to start testing out builds on her. Any ideas? I definitely want to try out the Hydra, and Zephyr also seems to synergize with her well. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On December 11 2012 02:00 ticklishmusic wrote: Blah, I'm really sad they didn't make a melee ADC item. Mercurial Scimitar really looks like one to me. Moreover, Crucible has a lot of potential for making melee carries far more viable than before. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On December 11 2012 02:14 YouGotNothin wrote: Oh man I hope Fiora becomes more viable. I have always liked her design but felt she kind of was just a weaker version of Jax. However I just bought her on a whim yesterday and now want to start testing out builds on her. Any ideas? I definitely want to try out the Hydra, and Zephyr also seems to synergize with her well. black cleavers dude, buy many of them | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On December 11 2012 01:53 fishinguy wrote: I always thought that it was Jax / AD sion who is king of 1v1 and possibly Trynd / Nasus / Warwick. that wasn't the question | ||
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
yeah... I have the feeling that is gonna get nerfed pretty soon though, at least the stacking. | ||
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fishinguy
Russian Federation798 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 11 2012 02:14 YouGotNothin wrote: Oh man I hope Fiora becomes more viable. I have always liked her design but felt she kind of was just a weaker version of Jax. However I just bought her on a whim yesterday and now want to start testing out builds on her. Any ideas? I definitely want to try out the Hydra, and Zephyr also seems to synergize with her well. I think end game build before next patch is something like hydra, bc, bloodthirstier, mercs/tabi, GA and/or mercurial scimitar. Blade of the ruined king is probably good on her and Fiora loves life steal. Zephyr probably good but so is PD although you only built PD in season2 if enemy team had almost no CC. And of course IE and Youmuu's are both still good on her. She's got really flexible build/skill pathing that requires you to build on a game to game basis. Not a cookie cutter build you can do every game. Hydra/BC the only combo that you'd probably build every game. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On December 11 2012 02:12 VayneAuthority wrote: Tons of Useless new items for every role is the problem, its like there is 20 madreds bloodrazors now. You think with how long they took to send this patch out most items would be at least okay, but the same builds are still the best minus black cleaver/liandry's. Also its sad that different openings is seen as a new thing just shows that the boots meta lasted for way too long, there used to be pretty decent variety in starts before they fiddled with the dorans items and made the jungle/ganking really easy so that you NEED boots. Finally, most of the new items are legendary tier so even if they are decent/good you don't really get to employ them. Most games end by the time around you finish 1 maybe 2 legendary items. They didnt add enough early game/mid game items. Finally, the lag problems and broken stuff right now makes it unplayable. So I dont think im wrong in saying that IN ITS CURRENT STATE, it is the worst league has ever been. does not mean they cannot fix it.Outside of the Cleaver issue, I actually think the item changes are much better than you say. Very few of the items suffer from Bloodrazor's issues. Some might be a little too weak or a little too strong, but in general almost all the items that were added have some role which they can play, given the right champion or meta. The problem continues to be that the community has a very low tolerance for experimentation. In 1v1 games, such as Starcraft, you can experiment very heavily without affecting anyone other than yourself. In League, however, experimenting with different item builds affects a team of people. This has a lot to do with the slow rate of change in the meta, despite there being fairly obvious avenues of exploration to consider. Even in the current chaos attempting a new build can earn you a lot of ire if it isn't a resounding success (even if a standard build would have been a disaster). | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On December 11 2012 02:16 Seuss wrote: Mercurial Scimitar really looks like one to me. Moreover, Crucible has a lot of potential for making melee carries far more viable than before. Just out of curiosity, why Crucible? | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
Because CC is the enemy #1 of the melee carry and crucible removes it, as a bonus it doesn't eat a slot on the carry. Melee carries do obscene disgusting damage, but even a well timed slow can reduce that to zero and remove all their survivability at the same time. Melee carries don't have the option of staying away from all disables, they have to go in. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 11 2012 02:25 Seuss wrote: Outside of the Cleaver issue, I actually think the item changes are much better than you say. Very few of the items suffer from Bloodrazor's issues. Some might be a little too weak or a little too strong, but in general almost all the items that were added have some role which they can play, given the right champion or meta. The problem continues to be that the community has a very low tolerance for experimentation. In 1v1 games, such as Starcraft, you can experiment very heavily without affecting anyone other than yourself. In League, however, experimenting with different item builds affects a team of people. This has a lot to do with the slow rate of change in the meta, despite there being fairly obvious avenues of exploration to consider. Even in the current chaos attempting a new build can earn you a lot of ire if it isn't a resounding success (even if a standard build would have been a disaster). People also have a very cookie-cutter mindset about their item builds, opting for more or less the same items game after game, rather than making situational item choices based on how the game plays out. This extends even up to the professional level. Past the point where you actually understand what every item in the game actually does, your approach to itemization on a champ should not be "what build do I go on this champ?" (which is how 99% of people approach learning a champ, even on TL) but "how are each of these items beneficial to this champ and in what scenarios is it a good choice?" | ||
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
Am I crazy in that I feel they ,added a ton of melee adc items? BC, Merc Scimitar, Ice Shard, Gauntlets, Zephyr,Crucible, etc. | ||
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Cuddle
Sweden1345 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On December 11 2012 01:36 overt wrote: At level 1? Probably not but there are very few times anyone gets a kill or fights at level 1. Fiora can beat GP in a trade at level 2 and GP is honestly one of her easiest lanes. EDIT: Fiora is more viable but she isn't as bursty as Talon or Panth although new BC plus Hydra makes her burst down AD carries and supports real fast. Plus her ult is way scarier in teamfights now. In what world does Fiora have less burst than Pantheon? I know pantheon's E scales super well but unless you're actually dropping your ult on them and getting damage from it, his burst is not comparable to her qqr, especially as you add that crazy new hydra to it later. The part where she compares disfavorably with Pantheon is no pseudo global ganking presence or super consistent laning. | ||
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