EPT[Patch 1.0.0.152: Preseason 3] General Discussion - Page 152
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Dan HH
Romania9256 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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kongoline
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Inschato
Canada1349 Posts
This says Talon is. Obviously he's been swept up by the flavor of the week brigade, but it's still a pretty good indication. Oh you said 1v1.. probably Fiora or Xin Zhao then. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:27 kongoline wrote: just curious from all the ad assassins, whos currently strongest 1v1? Khazix without minions to fuck up his Q? Not sure | ||
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:27 kongoline wrote: just curious from all the ad assassins, whos currently strongest 1v1? Sarcastic answer: The one with more black cleavers. Serious answer: Probably depends upon what point of the game you're 1v1ing. Different champions have different power curves, and may get exponentially stronger upon finishing an item or reaching a certain level. If you trying to 1v1 Irelia at level 1 she loses to just about everybody, but if she goes even in farm with you until level 9, she becomes much stronger. It is also very match up specific. Some one like Pantheon will win a lot of 1v1's vs people who can't disrupt his channel. Try not to think about the games in terms of 1v1, it is a team game, and the jungler has a huge role in the top lane and mid lane (to a certain point) match ups. Edit: Lee Sin is probably one of the strongest from early to mid game. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
i mean, they have a whole stat just for ability scaling, ablility power, why did their designers feel the need to make not only abilities, but whole champions designed around attack damage scaling. Why have ability power in the first place. And now with more than one item (bloodthirster) being good on them, their broken concept shows. Im not whining, i am just really curious why Riot is undermining their own gamedesign with AD casters. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:20 phyvo wrote: This was posted in the random pics/vids thread awhile back, but it's still pretty funny. oh I didnt know we even had that thread, I only read general discussion ( which has like 150~ new post whewnever I wake up) and the livereports from big events. I don't know about the strongest AD Assassins but is there anychamp that would win a straight up 1v1 @ lvl 1 vs gangplank? I often see people do stupid stuff like all in a GP at lvl 1 or 2 and die, selfsnowballing their lane with stupidness. Only one that could probably is Darius. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:50 LaNague wrote: i never understood the need for AD casters. i mean, they have a whole stat just for ability scaling, ablility power, why did their designers feel the need to make not only abilities, but whole champions designed around attack damage scaling. Why have ability power in the first place. And now with more than one item (bloodthirster) being good on them, their broken concept shows. Im not whining, i am just really curious why Riot is undermining their own gamedesign with AD casters. It's really quite simple, it's to make defensive options more dynamic. If every caster is AP, you just get magic resist. However, if there are AD casters, you have to be smart about it. It also makes team composition more interesting since it's important to mix up AD and AP (because of defense), which could technically, if LoL didn't have such a ridiculously rigid metagame, lead to a lot of depth. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:53 Tobberoth wrote: It's really quite simple, it's to make defensive options more dynamic. If every caster is AP, you just get magic resist. However, if there are AD casters, you have to be smart about it. It also makes team composition more interesting since it's important to mix up AD and AP (because of defense), which could technically, if LoL didn't have such a ridiculously rigid metagame, lead to a lot of depth. You already have people that scale with AD, the carries. I think he's specifically talking about AD casters. They don't need "AD casters" in order to have another defensive stat since you would still have the guys that aren't AD casters that require you to build armour. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:53 Tobberoth wrote: It's really quite simple, it's to make defensive options more dynamic. If every caster is AP, you just get magic resist. However, if there are AD casters, you have to be smart about it. It also makes team composition more interesting since it's important to mix up AD and AP (because of defense), which could technically, if LoL didn't have such a ridiculously rigid metagame, lead to a lot of depth. You could also envision a champ that does physical damage with abilities, but scales off AP. There's no rule that says that AP scaling abilities == magic damage. | ||
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jadoth
694 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:50 LaNague wrote: i never understood the need for AD casters. i mean, they have a whole stat just for ability scaling, ablility power, why did their designers feel the need to make not only abilities, but whole champions designed around attack damage scaling. Why have ability power in the first place. And now with more than one item (bloodthirster) being good on them, their broken concept shows. Im not whining, i am just really curious why Riot is undermining their own gamedesign with AD casters. I think the real reason is flavor. They want to make a champ like panth but they don't want him building staffs and hats because that would be silly. | ||
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adriftt
335 Posts
On December 10 2012 21:47 AsnSensation wrote: I can guarantee you it hasnt normalised yet and this not meant to be offending Yeah its not normalized at all. I had a silver player in my game at 1900 yesterday where everyone else in the game was either plat or diamond. Sometimes I get games where everyone is diamond/plat and sometimes I get games when there are 4-5 gold players. From what I remember of S2, it took a good 3-4 months to really normalize all the way. | ||
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icemanzdoinwork
447 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:40 greggy wrote: wtf shaco has sixth highest win rate The new jungle really favors him. Stealing buffs/killing the other jungler early just puts them at such a disadvantage it's very hard to comeback. Shaco/Nunu are pretty much the only junglers I'm playing right now. Counter jungling just pays off way too well. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:27 kongoline wrote: just curious from all the ad assassins, whos currently strongest 1v1? Depends on levels and builds a ton If they have everything off CD and aggressive builds, most assassins will instakill another assassin if equal in lvl and gold. So its just who gets the jump. For non- instakill, Khazix with isolation or gunblade stacking akali are basically unbeatable in a 1v1. Khazix can also 1v1 all day, as he isnt relying on long cd's. Lategame Fiora will ruin anyone but she isn't as much an assassin. | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On December 11 2012 01:25 sob3k wrote: Depends on levels and builds a ton If they have everything off CD and aggressive builds, most assassins will instakill another assassin if equal in lvl and gold. So its just who gets the jump. For non- instakill, Khazix with isolation or gunblade stacking akali are basically unbeatable in a 1v1. Khazix can also 1v1 all day, as he isnt relying on long cd's. Lategame Fiora will ruin anyone but she isn't as much an assassin. Wait, has S3 made Fiora any more viable? That would make my day. I've mostly played jungle/support, so I have no idea. | ||
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:58 thenexusp wrote: You could also envision a champ that does physical damage with abilities, but scales off AP. There's no rule that says that AP scaling abilities == magic damage. Itemizing would be very awkward on a champion like that. You're going to want armour penetration, but you're only going to marginally benefit from the additional AD on those items. There are some ranged carries, Kog, Corki, Trist, Ezreal, Varus, that do some sort of magic damage but are primarly building AD items. Now while these Champions can marginally benefit from items like Malady, its typically better to build those AD items. Right clicking is going to hurt if you stack attack damage, attack speed, and armour penetration on any champion. If you're scaling off AP but dealing physical damage I have no clue what you would want to buy, you would probably need huge scaling to justify buying AP. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:53 AsnSensation wrote: I don't know about the strongest AD Assassins but is there anychamp that would win a straight up 1v1 @ lvl 1 vs gangplank? I often see people do stupid stuff like all in a GP at lvl 1 or 2 and die, selfsnowballing their lane with stupidness. Only one that could probably is Darius. At level 1? Probably not but there are very few times anyone gets a kill or fights at level 1. Fiora can beat GP in a trade at level 2 and GP is honestly one of her easiest lanes. EDIT: Fiora is more viable but she isn't as bursty as Talon or Panth although new BC plus Hydra makes her burst down AD carries and supports real fast. Plus her ult is way scarier in teamfights now. | ||
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fishinguy
Russian Federation798 Posts
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