[Patch 1.0.0.152: Preseason 3] General Discussion - Page 147

On December 10 2012 14:31 TheYango wrote:
People should be turning their Chalices into Mikael's and not Grail.

On December 10 2012 13:03 thenexusp wrote:
Homeguard is sleeper op. Teleport ganks are 100x scarier with homeguard boots.

I love when something that seems innocuous at first (wtf? it doesn't do anything once I leave base) turns out to have really good applications.

On December 10 2012 14:49 TheYango wrote:
The thing is, Mikael's has the potential to be totally under-bought for a long time, because the active isn't all that easy to use optimally (maximizing both the effectiveness of the heal component and the CC-removal component), and coordinating its use in multiples or alongside QSS or Cleanse in solo queue is going to be virtually impossible.

But by the numbers, the item is stupidly effective. The item gives 1860 gold worth of mana/mp5/MR, so if you're someone who can actually make use of all those stats (basically every AP that would be buying Chalice in the first place), you're paying 340 gold for an active that's comparable in power to an additional summoner spell--an absolutely ridiculous price point. By comparison, QSS doesn't give ANY additional stats over a Negatron Cloak, and is paying 850 gold for its active.

On December 10 2012 14:56 TheYango wrote:
That's the thing. Supports will get it late, and will give up a ton to get it because they won't 100% need all the mana stats.

APs SHOULD be getting it, because any AP that's getting Chalice uses the mana stats extremely well already, making the upgrade to Mikael's disgustingly cost-efficient.

On December 10 2012 14:58 101toss wrote:

Isn't the goal of a lot of ap's to burst down the ad carry? The lack of damage puts a huge dent in that.

On December 10 2012 13:37 arb wrote:
lich bane feels so bad now

On December 10 2012 14:34 PrinceXizor wrote:
I tried running around with 80% spell vamp on a jungle akali, that was fun.

On December 10 2012 15:01 Seuss wrote:


Mathematically speaking it shouldn't so long as you have some penetration itemization, unless you're using it on one of the rare champions who could convert its damage into magic damage. Otherwise, perfectly normal levels of Armor on carries would have reduced the damage by 50% or more. Even with equivalent MR (fairly difficult considering there's easily a 30+MR difference in base stats at 18 for carries), a simple Void Staff would have resulted in more damage even with a 75% proc.

Considering that it's now harder for carries to stack MR and penetration is stronger, Lich Bane shouldn't really feel bad unless your name is Poppy or Twisted Fate.



The best part is Smite turns into a self-heal during fights. All of a sudden you have 700 health out of nowhere.

On December 10 2012 15:14 Alaric wrote:
I'm wondering about crucible: does it cleanses then heal, or the opposite?
Well if it's a simple cleanse then it doesn't matter as it won't remove the healing debuff, but if it removes it it can be important to know.

On Swain, maybe you'd want crucible + zhonya against burst threats, and grail when you're more concerned about sustained damage and you'll benefit more from the +12% max mana on kill/assist for your survivability and damage output.

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On December 10 2012 15:00 TheYango wrote:

Most of the APs that are burst-oriented don't need the Chalice-based mana stats that badly and were only getting Grail because it was stupidly cost-efficient overall (which it isn't anymore). The champs that really wanted Grail badly (Anivia, Orianna, etc.) are both much more sustained-damage and utility-oriented. In which case, the lion's share of stats they're getting out of Mikael's are still the mana stats which they would be buying in some form regardless, and then paying the hilariously low price of ~300 gold to get the active, which is a steal, period.

On December 10 2012 15:34 Diamond wrote:
Asked before but that was during IWillDominate drama so never got an answer.

Is there any reason not to run 21 utility on Diana jungle? You don't need the deep offensive/defensive trees to clear, the extra gold means you keep up and can start Flask+Machete, and the extra exp means you will hit 6 faster and stay on par with lanes exp wise. Also the extra move speed means you are almost as fast with no boots as most champs are with lvl 1 boots. I have been having quite a bit of luck with the 0/9/21 and wondering if I am missing something.

Also why does no one build Lich Bane on her? Makes your q>ult>aa attack much more powerful, and with the way her cool downs are you can burn down towers at an absurd rate. Add in the extra mana/AP from the Sheen part and it seems like a perfect item for her.