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Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
December 10 2012 03:47 GMT
#2901
What was the double AD comp I heard mentioned?
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 10 2012 03:48 GMT
#2902
On December 10 2012 12:45 DonKey_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 12:41 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On December 10 2012 12:39 Sufficiency wrote:
After that Taric "escape"... why haven't Elementz gotten benched yet?


He has, then he got unbenched because the one guy they tried out wasn't even a support player. Elementz forever bad.

There is no bot lane I have seen lose more that CRS NA's. Cop is a mediocre at best AD(plenty of solo queue AD's with more skill) and Elementz doesn't even look like a pro player.

Their A-game is going even with other teams.

Meh, I think you underestimate Cop. He's probably got one of the best teamfighting ADC's in NA, his laning phase is definitely a step behind the other pro AD's for sure.

And, Crs has historically been beating TSM like 4 times in a row before the s3 patch. I think right now it's just s3 nerves/jitters. People still getting use to patch.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 10 2012 03:48 GMT
#2903
On December 10 2012 12:45 DonKey_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 12:41 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On December 10 2012 12:39 Sufficiency wrote:
After that Taric "escape"... why haven't Elementz gotten benched yet?


He has, then he got unbenched because the one guy they tried out wasn't even a support player. Elementz forever bad.

There is no bot lane I have seen lose more that CRS NA's. Cop is a mediocre at best AD(plenty of solo queue AD's with more skill) and Elementz doesn't even look like a pro player.

Their A-game is going even with other teams bot lanes.


In certain situations it's CLEAR that Elementz does not know how to play. It was shown today with that Taric "escape", but there are plenty of other examples.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
December 10 2012 03:49 GMT
#2904
On December 10 2012 12:47 Crownlol wrote:
What was the double AD comp I heard mentioned?


Both teams played AD Ezreal mid along with the AD/support bot at least once in their games.
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 10 2012 03:50 GMT
#2905
Imagine of all the things teams can do with homeguard. If you're fighting at your inhib or nexus towers and 5 of you get homeguard.... my god. I'm actually excited to see what pro teams can do (not NA though, NA is retarded and will not innovate anything in their life).
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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
December 10 2012 03:51 GMT
#2906
On December 10 2012 12:50 HazMat wrote:
Imagine of all the things teams can do with homeguard. If you're fighting at your inhib or nexus towers and 5 of you get homeguard.... my god. I'm actually excited to see what pro teams can do (not NA though, NA is retarded and will not innovate anything in their life).

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DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 03:52:34
December 10 2012 03:51 GMT
#2907
On December 10 2012 12:48 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 12:45 DonKey_ wrote:
On December 10 2012 12:41 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On December 10 2012 12:39 Sufficiency wrote:
After that Taric "escape"... why haven't Elementz gotten benched yet?


He has, then he got unbenched because the one guy they tried out wasn't even a support player. Elementz forever bad.

There is no bot lane I have seen lose more that CRS NA's. Cop is a mediocre at best AD(plenty of solo queue AD's with more skill) and Elementz doesn't even look like a pro player.

Their A-game is going even with other teams.

Meh, I think you underestimate Cop. He's probably got one of the best teamfighting ADC's in NA, his laning phase is definitely a step behind the other pro AD's for sure.

And, Crs has historically been beating TSM like 4 times in a row before the s3 patch. I think right now it's just s3 nerves/jitters. People still getting use to patch.

Thing is, there is few and far between games where curse's bot lane actually doesn't come out of laning behind any team they face.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 10 2012 03:59 GMT
#2908
On December 10 2012 12:50 HazMat wrote:
Imagine of all the things teams can do with homeguard. If you're fighting at your inhib or nexus towers and 5 of you get homeguard.... my god. I'm actually excited to see what pro teams can do (not NA though, NA is retarded and will not innovate anything in their life).

Somebody had homeguards boots in one game, on a Kha'Zix (think it was yesterday, can't remember). Homeguard speed boost + evolved E meant the other team thought they could take an inhib and suddenly a clinky purple ball rushed them faster than a Rammus and EW'd into them to put down the hurt and force them off the inhib tower.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
December 10 2012 04:03 GMT
#2909
Homeguard is sleeper op. Teleport ganks are 100x scarier with homeguard boots.

I love when something that seems innocuous at first (wtf? it doesn't do anything once I leave base) turns out to have really good applications.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
December 10 2012 04:07 GMT
#2910
Man, I really was going to buy ziggs but now I don't think I am because they nerfed Grail so hard....That buffed grail was basically what made him strong, there is no alternative.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
December 10 2012 04:37 GMT
#2911
lich bane feels so bad now
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
December 10 2012 04:53 GMT
#2912
I got Ziggs today. He doesn't really need Grail it seems. Loves him some Seraphs Embrace.

I've been going Deathcap > Seraphs > Void Staff > DFG, just getting DFG for the CDR. Wondering if something else might be better than DFG, though.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 10 2012 05:06 GMT
#2913
On December 10 2012 13:07 sob3k wrote:
Man, I really was going to buy ziggs but now I don't think I am because they nerfed Grail so hard....That buffed grail was basically what made him strong, there is no alternative.


Morello's not good enough for you?
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 05:21:36
December 10 2012 05:13 GMT
#2914
hat horuglass void lich bane defensive item (or new dfg if u really dont need GA or QSS or veil)

is the build for ziggs

every other build is bad and you should feel bad
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35166 Posts
December 10 2012 05:13 GMT
#2915
On December 10 2012 14:06 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 13:07 sob3k wrote:
Man, I really was going to buy ziggs but now I don't think I am because they nerfed Grail so hard....That buffed grail was basically what made him strong, there is no alternative.


Morello's not good enough for you?

Grail was stupid strong on release.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
December 10 2012 05:22 GMT
#2916
Need help coming up for a replacement on grail for the top yeti

Tried chalice/SV, but it gives no damage, chalice/haunting guise, but no cdr. I was considering axing chalice as a whole but then mana would actually become a problem outside of laning. I'm willing to test chalice/morello's since it gives around the same stats as grail for about 200 more gold. Anybody have other ideas?
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 05:23:57
December 10 2012 05:23 GMT
#2917
Uh, what's good with Grail isn't the AP, it's the combo MR+CDR+mana regen (for laning). Who cares about AP scaling when you've got so good base damage on spells you spam all day from your 40% cdr anyway?

I mean for Nunu top obv.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
December 10 2012 05:23 GMT
#2918
On December 10 2012 14:22 101toss wrote:
Need help coming up for a replacement on grail for the top yeti

Tried chalice/SV, but it gives no damage, chalice/haunting guise, but no cdr. I was considering axing chalice as a whole but then mana would actually become a problem outside of laning. I'm willing to test chalice/morello's since it gives around the same stats as grail for about 200 more gold. Anybody have other ideas?


stop playing nunu top is the best suggestion i can give you
TranslatorBaa!
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 05:29:07
December 10 2012 05:27 GMT
#2919
On December 10 2012 14:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 14:22 101toss wrote:
Need help coming up for a replacement on grail for the top yeti

Tried chalice/SV, but it gives no damage, chalice/haunting guise, but no cdr. I was considering axing chalice as a whole but then mana would actually become a problem outside of laning. I'm willing to test chalice/morello's since it gives around the same stats as grail for about 200 more gold. Anybody have other ideas?


stop playing nunu top is the best suggestion i can give you

I don't think cleaver stacking on garen will last for more than a week

Also I could just buy grail anyways (as I do now), but the 30 ap nerf does feel bad, despite the combination of stats being great for nunu. It's still cost effective anyways since you end up paying 920 for 30 ap, infinite mana, and 5% cdr
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 05:33:03
December 10 2012 05:31 GMT
#2920
People should be turning their Chalices into Mikael's and not Grail.

Doesn't give damage but makes your AD more or less unkillable, which fits with Nunu's function of making the AD spit out stupid amounts of damage anyway.
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