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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
December 09 2012 20:53 GMT
#2741
On December 10 2012 05:51 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 05:38 TheYango wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:36 101toss wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:34 TheYango wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:28 101toss wrote:
the game used to be broken in the sense that BW is broken

everything was broken so it ended up balancing out

No, that's more like how it is now.

When it was broken before, it was really damn lopsided, lol. Unless you consider beta TF, release Xin, or hotfix Udyr "balancing out".

I started around when caitlyn came out, so I probably missed those things

Which means you started a few months before the time that I consider was when League's gameplay was at it's best, so I can see where you're coming from.

I wasn't around at that time. Mind describing it for me?

The only thing to complain about was orianna's Q. pretty good description to me
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
December 09 2012 20:54 GMT
#2742
I started playing League around the time Fiora came out, and instantly picked up Rammus cuz I thought he was still OPfrom my friend who introduced League to me.

I also thought Fiora was a bess champ cuz of Omnislash. How I've learned.
Forever Young
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 20:58:07
December 09 2012 20:56 GMT
#2743
On December 10 2012 05:51 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 05:38 TheYango wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:36 101toss wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:34 TheYango wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:28 101toss wrote:
the game used to be broken in the sense that BW is broken

everything was broken so it ended up balancing out

No, that's more like how it is now.

When it was broken before, it was really damn lopsided, lol. Unless you consider beta TF, release Xin, or hotfix Udyr "balancing out".

I started around when caitlyn came out, so I probably missed those things

Which means you started a few months before the time that I consider was when League's gameplay was at it's best, so I can see where you're coming from.

I wasn't around at that time. Mind describing it for me?

Philo/hog stacking everywhere, jarvan and his atmogs/gp5 (thanks smash), ad mids, fiddle drained for so much, flat mr blues were retarded, kassadin was OP, brand and nocturne and vayne did so much damage on release, soraka had retarded sustain, sona did retarded damage, rammus did so much damage, no one even suspected malphite of being OP (I remember every game malphite would get fed and everyone would be like "wtf he does so much damage but all he has is armor")

I felt it was a broken potpourri similar to BW's spider mines, siege tanks, gateway units, carriers, storm, lurkers, defilers, and other broken things
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
jadoth
Profile Joined December 2011
694 Posts
December 09 2012 21:01 GMT
#2744
On December 10 2012 05:56 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 05:51 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:38 TheYango wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:36 101toss wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:34 TheYango wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:28 101toss wrote:
the game used to be broken in the sense that BW is broken

everything was broken so it ended up balancing out

No, that's more like how it is now.

When it was broken before, it was really damn lopsided, lol. Unless you consider beta TF, release Xin, or hotfix Udyr "balancing out".

I started around when caitlyn came out, so I probably missed those things

Which means you started a few months before the time that I consider was when League's gameplay was at it's best, so I can see where you're coming from.

I wasn't around at that time. Mind describing it for me?

Philo/hog stacking everywhere, jarvan and his atmogs/gp5 (thanks smash), ad mids, fiddle drained for so much, flat mr blues were retarded, kassadin was OP, brand and nocturne and vayne did so much damage on release, soraka had retarded sustain, sona did retarded damage, rammus did so much damage, no one even suspected malphite of being OP (I remember every game malphite would get fed and everyone would be like "wtf he does so much damage but all he has is armor")

I felt it was a broken potpourri similar to BW's spider mines, siege tanks, gateway units, carriers, storm, lurkers, defilers, and other broken things


I really really miss op rammus.
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 21:02:59
December 09 2012 21:02 GMT
#2745
Huh, Voy goes Tear on Kha'Zix. Kinda neat, at least makes you able to spam W/E more.

Also, report Saint for feeding pls.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
December 09 2012 21:07 GMT
#2746
Yeah...the days when Soraka and Sona were such powerful supports, they could actually carry harder than any other role. And there was when Rammus was unbelievably broken. Those were the good ole days.

And quick question, how do you feel when people do stupid actions and use the excuse of "It's just a game." For example, I just had people who fed like hell and refused to surrender. Another time, someone went for attack speed Nautilus, another was pure AP Singed (the worst possible AP build you can do) and stealing blue buff from the mid and they said the same excuse "well it is just a game" and some people getting screwed over said the same "its just a game"

When people say such a thing, the first thing I think of are teenage nihilists who misinterpret Nietzsche.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 09 2012 21:10 GMT
#2747
On December 10 2012 05:56 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 05:51 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:38 TheYango wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:36 101toss wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:34 TheYango wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:28 101toss wrote:
the game used to be broken in the sense that BW is broken

everything was broken so it ended up balancing out

No, that's more like how it is now.

When it was broken before, it was really damn lopsided, lol. Unless you consider beta TF, release Xin, or hotfix Udyr "balancing out".

I started around when caitlyn came out, so I probably missed those things

Which means you started a few months before the time that I consider was when League's gameplay was at it's best, so I can see where you're coming from.

I wasn't around at that time. Mind describing it for me?

Philo/hog stacking everywhere, jarvan and his atmogs/gp5 (thanks smash), ad mids, fiddle drained for so much, flat mr blues were retarded, kassadin was OP, brand and nocturne and vayne did so much damage on release, soraka had retarded sustain, sona did retarded damage, rammus did so much damage, no one even suspected malphite of being OP (I remember every game malphite would get fed and everyone would be like "wtf he does so much damage but all he has is armor")

I felt it was a broken potpourri similar to BW's spider mines, siege tanks, gateway units, carriers, storm, lurkers, defilers, and other broken things

Wait is that what we're talking about? I thought something special happened before Cait patch. A lot of that was still around after Cait patch or only introduced after Cait patch.

My Sorara... no longer a minifountain. T.T
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 21:11:18
December 09 2012 21:10 GMT
#2748
On December 10 2012 06:07 Shiragaku wrote:
Yeah...the days when Soraka and Sona were such powerful supports, they could actually carry harder than any other role. And there was when Rammus was unbelievably broken. Those were the good ole days.

And quick question, how do you feel when people do stupid actions and use the excuse of "It's just a game." For example, I just had people who fed like hell and refused to surrender. Another time, someone went for attack speed Nautilus, another was pure AP Singed (the worst possible AP build you can do) and stealing blue buff from the mid and they said the same excuse "well it is just a game" and some people getting screwed over said the same "its just a game"

When people say such a thing, the first thing I think of are teenage nihilists who misinterpret Nietzsche.


Well then it's just a game for them too, so it probably won't matter much to them if they get banned. I report people who are toxic to the community, but I try not to hold a grudge and not to give in to their flamebaiting. The tribunal will judge.

Oh and huehue Soraka that can give herself mana.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 09 2012 21:11 GMT
#2749
On December 10 2012 05:51 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 05:38 TheYango wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:36 101toss wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:34 TheYango wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:28 101toss wrote:
the game used to be broken in the sense that BW is broken

everything was broken so it ended up balancing out

No, that's more like how it is now.

When it was broken before, it was really damn lopsided, lol. Unless you consider beta TF, release Xin, or hotfix Udyr "balancing out".

I started around when caitlyn came out, so I probably missed those things

Which means you started a few months before the time that I consider was when League's gameplay was at it's best, so I can see where you're coming from.

I wasn't around at that time. Mind describing it for me?

Aww, Chiharu actually a youngster. :3
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
December 09 2012 21:13 GMT
#2750
On December 10 2012 06:07 Shiragaku wrote:
Yeah...the days when Soraka and Sona were such powerful supports, they could actually carry harder than any other role. And there was when Rammus was unbelievably broken. Those were the good ole days.

And quick question, how do you feel when people do stupid actions and use the excuse of "It's just a game." For example, I just had people who fed like hell and refused to surrender. Another time, someone went for attack speed Nautilus, another was pure AP Singed (the worst possible AP build you can do) and stealing blue buff from the mid and they said the same excuse "well it is just a game" and some people getting screwed over said the same "its just a game"

When people say such a thing, the first thing I think of are teenage nihilists who misinterpret Nietzsche.

is this ranked? If you're level 30 and play normals you really shouldn't expect much

Also if 2 people don't want to surrender, your team didn't surrender, your opinion isn't somehow more important than the others' on your team
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 09 2012 21:15 GMT
#2751
Man Curse looks worse with Saint then without.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 09 2012 21:16 GMT
#2752
On December 10 2012 06:15 Numy wrote:
Man Curse looks worse with Saint then without.

That FB he fed to Dyrus top while Voy was getting blue was so silly. I was excited for them doing some sick jungle and solo lane swap but instead he just dies for free.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 09 2012 21:17 GMT
#2753
Chaox 0-4 buys oracle. Wut.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 09 2012 21:18 GMT
#2754
On December 10 2012 06:16 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 06:15 Numy wrote:
Man Curse looks worse with Saint then without.

That FB he fed to Dyrus top while Voy was getting blue was so silly. I was excited for them doing some sick jungle and solo lane swap but instead he just dies for free.


I missed that unfortunately. It feels like everyone on Curse has improved gameplay wise but Saint as seemingly gotten worse.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 21:23:06
December 09 2012 21:18 GMT
#2755
On December 10 2012 06:07 Shiragaku wrote:
Yeah...the days when Soraka and Sona were such powerful supports, they could actually carry harder than any other role. And there was when Rammus was unbelievably broken. Those were the good ole days.

By design their powerful laning kits were balanced by the fact that they have zero roaming/counter-roaming potential compared to the other supports of the time (e.g. Janna, Alistar, Taric). It's only because Riot more or less killed support roaming that created a power vacuum where the primary drawback of these two supports was no longer a drawback (being unable to roam isn't a drawback when nobody who could roam is good enough at it anymore to make it worthwhile)--thereby rocketing them into OP status.

Soraka at the time could win any 2v2 lane. The tradeoff was that she could not roam, and could not create enough pressure in the 1v2 lane to stop the 1v2 laner from comfortably sneaking XP and lasthits--so the counterplay against Soraka was to simply not let her have a 2v2 lane, either by having a roaming support or by lane swapping. Personally I think it was a fair tradeoff, but Riot killed the roaming option, and lane swaps hadn't been thoroughly explored enough to exploit her weak 2v1 power.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 21:30:04
December 09 2012 21:29 GMT
#2756
Cop with some really bad positioning. Why is he alone in front of his enemy without the reaction time to dodge an arrow. Poor voyboy/Jacky. Team just too heavy.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
December 09 2012 21:35 GMT
#2757
On December 10 2012 06:18 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 06:07 Shiragaku wrote:
Yeah...the days when Soraka and Sona were such powerful supports, they could actually carry harder than any other role. And there was when Rammus was unbelievably broken. Those were the good ole days.

By design their powerful laning kits were balanced by the fact that they have zero roaming/counter-roaming potential compared to the other supports of the time (e.g. Janna, Alistar, Taric). It's only because Riot more or less killed support roaming that created a power vacuum where the primary drawback of these two supports was no longer a drawback (being unable to roam isn't a drawback when nobody who could roam is good enough at it anymore to make it worthwhile)--thereby rocketing them into OP status.

Soraka at the time could win any 2v2 lane. The tradeoff was that she could not roam, and could not create enough pressure in the 1v2 lane to stop the 1v2 laner from comfortably sneaking XP and lasthits--so the counterplay against Soraka was to simply not let her have a 2v2 lane, either by having a roaming support or by lane swapping. Personally I think it was a fair tradeoff, but Riot killed the roaming option, and lane swaps hadn't been thoroughly explored enough to exploit her weak 2v1 power.


Who says supports cant roam?

Mobil boots leona OP shit. Many a midplayer has been owned by my unsuspected W-E-Q-R combo.
Useless wet fish.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
December 09 2012 21:37 GMT
#2758
On December 10 2012 06:35 Capped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 06:18 TheYango wrote:
On December 10 2012 06:07 Shiragaku wrote:
Yeah...the days when Soraka and Sona were such powerful supports, they could actually carry harder than any other role. And there was when Rammus was unbelievably broken. Those were the good ole days.

By design their powerful laning kits were balanced by the fact that they have zero roaming/counter-roaming potential compared to the other supports of the time (e.g. Janna, Alistar, Taric). It's only because Riot more or less killed support roaming that created a power vacuum where the primary drawback of these two supports was no longer a drawback (being unable to roam isn't a drawback when nobody who could roam is good enough at it anymore to make it worthwhile)--thereby rocketing them into OP status.

Soraka at the time could win any 2v2 lane. The tradeoff was that she could not roam, and could not create enough pressure in the 1v2 lane to stop the 1v2 laner from comfortably sneaking XP and lasthits--so the counterplay against Soraka was to simply not let her have a 2v2 lane, either by having a roaming support or by lane swapping. Personally I think it was a fair tradeoff, but Riot killed the roaming option, and lane swaps hadn't been thoroughly explored enough to exploit her weak 2v1 power.


Who says supports cant roam?

Mobil boots leona OP shit. Many a midplayer has been owned by my unsuspected W-E-Q-R combo.

Leona didn't exist at the time we are talking about.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 09 2012 21:38 GMT
#2759
On December 10 2012 06:35 Capped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 06:18 TheYango wrote:
On December 10 2012 06:07 Shiragaku wrote:
Yeah...the days when Soraka and Sona were such powerful supports, they could actually carry harder than any other role. And there was when Rammus was unbelievably broken. Those were the good ole days.

By design their powerful laning kits were balanced by the fact that they have zero roaming/counter-roaming potential compared to the other supports of the time (e.g. Janna, Alistar, Taric). It's only because Riot more or less killed support roaming that created a power vacuum where the primary drawback of these two supports was no longer a drawback (being unable to roam isn't a drawback when nobody who could roam is good enough at it anymore to make it worthwhile)--thereby rocketing them into OP status.

Soraka at the time could win any 2v2 lane. The tradeoff was that she could not roam, and could not create enough pressure in the 1v2 lane to stop the 1v2 laner from comfortably sneaking XP and lasthits--so the counterplay against Soraka was to simply not let her have a 2v2 lane, either by having a roaming support or by lane swapping. Personally I think it was a fair tradeoff, but Riot killed the roaming option, and lane swaps hadn't been thoroughly explored enough to exploit her weak 2v1 power.


Who says supports cant roam?

Mobil boots leona OP shit. Many a midplayer has been owned by my unsuspected W-E-Q-R combo.


I assume this unsuspecting midplayer also never warded river.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 09 2012 21:38 GMT
#2760
Oh wow Elementz has a yellow ribbon. Pro.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
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