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Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
December 09 2012 21:40 GMT
#2761
TSM really are the masters of boring picks lol.

Do they ever play anything exciting?
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
December 09 2012 21:40 GMT
#2762
On December 10 2012 06:38 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 06:35 Capped wrote:
On December 10 2012 06:18 TheYango wrote:
On December 10 2012 06:07 Shiragaku wrote:
Yeah...the days when Soraka and Sona were such powerful supports, they could actually carry harder than any other role. And there was when Rammus was unbelievably broken. Those were the good ole days.

By design their powerful laning kits were balanced by the fact that they have zero roaming/counter-roaming potential compared to the other supports of the time (e.g. Janna, Alistar, Taric). It's only because Riot more or less killed support roaming that created a power vacuum where the primary drawback of these two supports was no longer a drawback (being unable to roam isn't a drawback when nobody who could roam is good enough at it anymore to make it worthwhile)--thereby rocketing them into OP status.

Soraka at the time could win any 2v2 lane. The tradeoff was that she could not roam, and could not create enough pressure in the 1v2 lane to stop the 1v2 laner from comfortably sneaking XP and lasthits--so the counterplay against Soraka was to simply not let her have a 2v2 lane, either by having a roaming support or by lane swapping. Personally I think it was a fair tradeoff, but Riot killed the roaming option, and lane swaps hadn't been thoroughly explored enough to exploit her weak 2v1 power.


Who says supports cant roam?

Mobil boots leona OP shit. Many a midplayer has been owned by my unsuspected W-E-Q-R combo.


I assume this unsuspecting midplayer also never warded river.

Flash over wraiths, gg
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 09 2012 21:42 GMT
#2763
On December 10 2012 06:40 Doctorbeat wrote:
TSM really are the masters of boring picks lol.

Do they ever play anything exciting?


Let's see....

Regi can only play 3 champions, Dyrus can only play 5 and trying to "unlearn" more.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 09 2012 21:43 GMT
#2764
http://www.twitch.tv/xj9lol

XJ9 is such a beast. He's either farming or killing. No downtime in the jungle ever. Wish he was old enough for S3, he's probably the best jungler in NA.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 21:45:32
December 09 2012 21:44 GMT
#2765
On December 10 2012 06:42 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 06:40 Doctorbeat wrote:
TSM really are the masters of boring picks lol.

Do they ever play anything exciting?


Let's see....

Regi can only play 3 champions, Dyrus can only play 5 and trying to "unlearn" more.


OH man Dyrus and his "narrowing champion pool and focusing on mechanics". Best piece of garbage I've ever heard in my life.
romanov
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands892 Posts
December 09 2012 21:48 GMT
#2766
On December 10 2012 06:13 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 06:07 Shiragaku wrote:
Yeah...the days when Soraka and Sona were such powerful supports, they could actually carry harder than any other role. And there was when Rammus was unbelievably broken. Those were the good ole days.

And quick question, how do you feel when people do stupid actions and use the excuse of "It's just a game." For example, I just had people who fed like hell and refused to surrender. Another time, someone went for attack speed Nautilus, another was pure AP Singed (the worst possible AP build you can do) and stealing blue buff from the mid and they said the same excuse "well it is just a game" and some people getting screwed over said the same "its just a game"

When people say such a thing, the first thing I think of are teenage nihilists who misinterpret Nietzsche.

is this ranked? If you're level 30 and play normals you really shouldn't expect much

Also if 2 people don't want to surrender, your team didn't surrender, your opinion isn't somehow more important than the others' on your team

Agreed, in ranked you play serious mode. In normals you can have some fun as long as you are at least trying to win besides it. I always find it really annoying when people get mad in normals because i didn't fill up some stupid last role. If i want to play veigar i'm playing veigar. If that means i have to play jungle veigar fine but if you want a T1 jungler then pick one yourself, in normals ofcourse.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 09 2012 21:53 GMT
#2767
Dyrus used to have a huge champ pool. Then TSM decided they lost in S2 Champs because he played too many (I'd put Dyrus' champ pool as TSM's #4 problem, at the highest). I mean, Kayle, Jax, Singed, Jayce, Vlad, Rumble, and Olaf all have been strong for him. He just sucks at Irelia and keeps trying to play FOTM Rengar and Darius.

On the other hand Chaox can only play Corki, Regi is shut down by a Karthus ban and no one on the team knows how to farm after 2 towers are down.
Freeeeeeedom
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
December 09 2012 21:54 GMT
#2768
On December 10 2012 06:07 Shiragaku wrote:
[[Yeah...the days when Soraka and Sona were such powerful supports, they could actually carry harder than any other role. And there was when Rammus was unbelievably broken. Those were the good ole days.

And quick question, how do you feel when people do stupid actions and use the excuse of "It's just a game." For example, I just had people who fed like hell and refused to surrender. Another time, someone went for attack speed Nautilus, another was pure AP Singed (the worst possible AP build you can do) and stealing blue buff from the mid and they said the same excuse "well it is just a game" and some people getting screwed over said the same "its just a game"

When people say such a thing, the first thing I think of are teenage nihilists who misinterpret Nietzsche.



Just carried a game as soraka, oh man you feel like a hero when u do it with a non-CC support.
hi
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 09 2012 21:55 GMT
#2769
Holyshitwtf that Jayce EQ taking half of Nyjacky's health. o_o
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
December 09 2012 21:57 GMT
#2770
Jayce still more then solid, just everyone up and stopped playing him on NA.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Gaslo
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland951 Posts
December 09 2012 22:01 GMT
#2771
On December 10 2012 06:53 cLutZ wrote:
Dyrus used to have a huge champ pool. Then TSM decided they lost in S2 Champs because he played too many (I'd put Dyrus' champ pool as TSM's #4 problem, at the highest). I mean, Kayle, Jax, Singed, Jayce, Vlad, Rumble, and Olaf all have been strong for him. He just sucks at Irelia and keeps trying to play FOTM Rengar and Darius.

On the other hand Chaox can only play Corki, Regi is shut down by a Karthus ban and no one on the team knows how to farm after 2 towers are down.


Its funny, its not that long since the regionals, where people were saying that Regi can only play Morgana. And not long before that when they said that Regis Grag is the only decent champ he has.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 22:04:43
December 09 2012 22:01 GMT
#2772
On December 10 2012 06:43 HazMat wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/xj9lol

XJ9 is such a beast. He's either farming or killing. No downtime in the jungle ever. Wish he was old enough for S3, he's probably the best jungler in NA.


i find that lee isn't as bad in the new jungle as i thought he'd be, assuming you get good help on red. any thoughts?

my biggest problem is that the junglers i used to kill at their red are now getting super leashes and showing up with full hp (naut/mumu/mao etc.) meaning that i HAVE to gank lv 2 as opposed to having the option to counterjungle

q r q with cleaver though...<3

i must admit that mundo seems muuuuuch stronger than pretty much anyone else i've tried in terms of hitting relevance faster

edit: i also find that maokai is really strong but i just don't like playing him. same with amumu. when they're not banned i'm always torn between playing someone more fun and playing someone who can carry the game but is boring as shit (mumu isn't bad i guess, maybe if his q worked on friendly wards)
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
December 09 2012 22:04 GMT
#2773
I seriously don't see the curse potential people talk about.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 09 2012 22:04 GMT
#2774
On December 10 2012 07:01 Gaslo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 06:53 cLutZ wrote:
Dyrus used to have a huge champ pool. Then TSM decided they lost in S2 Champs because he played too many (I'd put Dyrus' champ pool as TSM's #4 problem, at the highest). I mean, Kayle, Jax, Singed, Jayce, Vlad, Rumble, and Olaf all have been strong for him. He just sucks at Irelia and keeps trying to play FOTM Rengar and Darius.

On the other hand Chaox can only play Corki, Regi is shut down by a Karthus ban and no one on the team knows how to farm after 2 towers are down.


Its funny, its not that long since the regionals, where people were saying that Regi can only play Morgana. And not long before that when they said that Regis Grag is the only decent champ he has.

He's still doing double DRing into RoA on Grgas though zzz
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
December 09 2012 22:05 GMT
#2775
On December 10 2012 06:54 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 06:07 Shiragaku wrote:
[[Yeah...the days when Soraka and Sona were such powerful supports, they could actually carry harder than any other role. And there was when Rammus was unbelievably broken. Those were the good ole days.

And quick question, how do you feel when people do stupid actions and use the excuse of "It's just a game." For example, I just had people who fed like hell and refused to surrender. Another time, someone went for attack speed Nautilus, another was pure AP Singed (the worst possible AP build you can do) and stealing blue buff from the mid and they said the same excuse "well it is just a game" and some people getting screwed over said the same "its just a game"

When people say such a thing, the first thing I think of are teenage nihilists who misinterpret Nietzsche.



Just carried a game as soraka, oh man you feel like a hero when u do it with a non-CC support.

You can carry some pretty braindead ADCs with soraka truthfully
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 09 2012 22:05 GMT
#2776
On December 10 2012 07:04 HeroHenry wrote:
I seriously don't see the curse potential people talk about.

They're above the other non-Troika NA trams, but they still can't beat the Troika.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 09 2012 22:12 GMT
#2777
On December 10 2012 07:05 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 07:04 HeroHenry wrote:
I seriously don't see the curse potential people talk about.

They're above the other non-Troika NA trams, but they still can't beat the Troika.


I actually think Curse isn't that much worse than Dignitas, they just haven't met and played with each other in a serious environment in a long time.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 22:19:34
December 09 2012 22:15 GMT
#2778
What a rape, 12k ahead after 30 min, all towers but one dead.

I consider TSM a good NA team (all their lane are okayish), but they are just too stuck with the same old game play that makes them unable to do anything outside of NA. CLG NA is bad (their top is the worst out of all pro teams, all regions), but they can still do better than TSM cauz they are masters in cheesy stuff.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 22:17:42
December 09 2012 22:15 GMT
#2779
Now that this game's over, how about you guys switch to our casting golems take on AHGL?
Uh, the url markup doesn't seem to work. Whatever, the URL's twitch.tv/tlcastinggolems Nvm I forgot the http://
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
December 09 2012 22:16 GMT
#2780
On December 10 2012 07:15 Alaric wrote:
Now that this game's over, how about you guys switch to our casting golems take on AHGL?

http://www.twitch.tv/tlcastinggolems
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