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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 12:19:56
December 09 2012 12:17 GMT
#2661
I don't usually watch Dyrus.....but I tuned in a little while ago and this Nasus game is utterly hilarious.

Gets camped by Garen + TF and still wins in CS vs Teemo......teleports into a teamfight @28 mins only to find that he can't catch anyone because he still doesn't have boots.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 12:54:17
December 09 2012 12:37 GMT
#2662
The dota replay system is one of the best and convenient things I have seen in a client.
It utterly disgust me at this point how low priority the implementation of official replay system is to riot.
Cackle™
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
December 09 2012 13:18 GMT
#2663
Riot please fix this PvP.Net issue whatever it is.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
December 09 2012 13:34 GMT
#2664
Diana op
needs burst nerf
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 09 2012 13:41 GMT
#2665
On December 09 2012 22:34 Bill Murray wrote:
Diana op
needs burst nerf


Thing is she has great burst and great utility with shield/vacuum. Think they need to decide which one she is meant to have then nerf other one.
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
December 09 2012 13:54 GMT
#2666
Watching the finals of that Thor Open thing. Interesting build on support Zyra 26 minutes in...no Sightstone. Sorcs, Haunting Guise, Pick, Chain Vest, Phil, Wards.
Zero fighting.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
December 09 2012 13:57 GMT
#2667
Those commentators are an absolute nightmare to listen to. They spent the first few minutes of the game, sorta laughing at the opening build from both teams.
hi
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9234 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 14:16:22
December 09 2012 14:13 GMT
#2668
CHW are the only ones even coming close to troubling Fnatic in this tourney. Not sure why Alternate fell off so hard in the past couple of months, they were able to compete with anyone at first but now they get crushed by 2nd tier EU teams on a regular basis.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
December 09 2012 15:07 GMT
#2669
On December 09 2012 22:54 Jaksiel wrote:
Watching the finals of that Thor Open thing. Interesting build on support Zyra 26 minutes in...no Sightstone. Sorcs, Haunting Guise, Pick, Chain Vest, Phil, Wards.

Are they on the tournament realm? Last I heard it didn't get the patch yet.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 09 2012 15:19 GMT
#2670
They aren't on tournament realm. I saw a flask
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 09 2012 15:42 GMT
#2671
On December 09 2012 15:08 Seuss wrote:
A little late to the Liandry's discussion, but I come bearing important information.

Specifically, Liandry's does not function the same as Teemo E or Nautilus W. New sources of magic damage interrupt and overwrite the previous proc instead of extending it, meaning that if it was just about to tick it will reset before dealing damage. The practical upshot of this is that DoT abilities, Null Zone or Malefic Visions for example, have a tendency to "munch" procs and eat a lot of the potential damage. Liandry's ticks every half second, so you would normally expect 10-11 ticks when using the aforementioned abilities. In fact, you'll only see 6-7, or potentially fewer if both are used in conjunction.

Ultimately the amount of damage Liadry's will deal with DoTs is no better than a single target spell in the ideal case, and worse if two or more DoTs are out of sync.

Ah, thanks, I've been wondering for a few days about the way it functions, esp. since a DoT reapplying the Liandry's proc would weaken every tick past each of his own, as the previous Liandry ticks and the DoT's would have lowered the target's HP.
Couldn't be arsed doing the math since it'd have required either boring stuff or using arbitrary numbers for the %max health done by each DoT tick and its duration, but with the way you describe its mechanics it's very likely not that strong compared to a single nuke.

Assuming Liandry procs right after the spell damage, a DoT ticking once a second would have 2 ticks (the first one, then 0.5s later) and override the following, so...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
December 09 2012 16:44 GMT
#2672
I've always questioned sightstone.

My reasoning is that you have to pay 700 upfront for 100 health and a couple of wards. In theory, it pays itself off after ~5 wards. However, rushing it means you trade a philo or locket/aegis parts for 100 hp (not to mention you have to scrounge up 700gp at once). My question is: is it worth the delayed gold advantage, or is it better to pay less now, pay more later?
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
StrigHT
Profile Joined August 2011
United States49 Posts
December 09 2012 16:47 GMT
#2673
So, I had a game last night where the UI bugged on loading into a game - all health bars were just big blue boxes.

I seem to remember hearing there is a console command to force the UI to reload, is that correct? And if so, how do I do it for future reference? (I ended up needing to leave the game and rejoin which set me back a little.)
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
December 09 2012 16:52 GMT
#2674
On December 10 2012 01:44 101toss wrote:
I've always questioned sightstone.

My reasoning is that you have to pay 700 upfront for 100 health and a couple of wards. In theory, it pays itself off after ~5 wards. However, rushing it means you trade a philo or locket/aegis parts for 100 hp (not to mention you have to scrounge up 700gp at once). My question is: is it worth the delayed gold advantage, or is it better to pay less now, pay more later?


You can place 2 wards for 3 mins at a time, which is 150g/3min (8.33g/10s). Assuming you have 2 wards up at all time, this is higher gp/10 than philo. But it doesn't really build into anything (Ruby Sightstone gives max of 12.5g/10s), so that's the price you have to pay for it. Philo and Kage's build into great support items with good stats. Ruby Sightstone gives you little stats, but if you use it well the g/10s equivalence would be more than what you would get out of philo/kage's.

Imo it's better to get sightstone early on, since the main reason you will want hp is for when your lane gets ganked, which is what sightstone will negate. 2 Wards are able to close off river and lane ganks. Of course there are lanes where you constantly fear for your life, where I would prefer earlier stats and flask over the sightstone. But imo sightstone should be core on supports, along with either philo or kage's (could even be both if you're really rich).
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 09 2012 16:56 GMT
#2675
On December 09 2012 20:19 Irave wrote:
Holy shit, Vman is a broken man streaming right now. He finally realized turning off his cam would be an alright idea. Poor guy crying for whatever reason.


i would love some more info from this
dude takes so much shit from everyone
wonder what finally broke him
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 16:58:24
December 09 2012 16:57 GMT
#2676
On December 10 2012 01:44 101toss wrote:
I've always questioned sightstone.

My reasoning is that you have to pay 700 upfront for 100 health and a couple of wards. In theory, it pays itself off after ~5 wards. However, rushing it means you trade a philo or locket/aegis parts for 100 hp (not to mention you have to scrounge up 700gp at once). My question is: is it worth the delayed gold advantage, or is it better to pay less now, pay more later?

I guess it all comes down to if you value the gold to accelerate other purchaseables over not spending some/all of that gold on wards. The free wards are a subverted gold advantage.

Who is Vman?
GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
December 09 2012 16:58 GMT
#2677
On December 10 2012 01:52 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 01:44 101toss wrote:
I've always questioned sightstone.

My reasoning is that you have to pay 700 upfront for 100 health and a couple of wards. In theory, it pays itself off after ~5 wards. However, rushing it means you trade a philo or locket/aegis parts for 100 hp (not to mention you have to scrounge up 700gp at once). My question is: is it worth the delayed gold advantage, or is it better to pay less now, pay more later?


You can place 2 wards for 3 mins at a time, which is 150g/3min (8.33g/10s). Assuming you have 2 wards up at all time, this is higher gp/10 than philo. But it doesn't really build into anything (Ruby Sightstone gives max of 12.5g/10s), so that's the price you have to pay for it. Philo and Kage's build into great support items with good stats. Ruby Sightstone gives you little stats, but if you use it well the g/10s equivalence would be more than what you would get out of philo/kage's.

Imo it's better to get sightstone early on, since the main reason you will want hp is for when your lane gets ganked, which is what sightstone will negate. 2 Wards are able to close off river and lane ganks. Of course there are lanes where you constantly fear for your life, where I would prefer earlier stats and flask over the sightstone. But imo sightstone should be core on supports, along with either philo or kage's (could even be both if you're really rich).

It also has inventory efficiency similar to HoG. The bonus health plus the wards only take up one spot, which can become important later on when inventory spots are at something of a premium. I think its undoubtably worth it on supports. There are some jungles where it makes a decent replacement for HoG, too, but it should by no means be an insta-buy for them.

I just worry that non-supports/junglers will by fewer wards now because they're "free" to the folks who buy the sightstone.
like a school bus through a bunch of kids
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
December 09 2012 17:03 GMT
#2678
Everybody's going Talon, Pantheon and Riven in my games right now T.T indeed the League of cleavers. When's the new patch coming? Maybe they should have hotfixed the BC only

Bonus, didn't know Dyrus was black.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
December 09 2012 17:04 GMT
#2679
Sometimes you just don't have the opportunity to get sightstone.

either not enough money, or so much you can buy a way better item +wards.

You don't need to go sightstone every game. It's a great item, but not a necessity. Once I bought ~3 rounds of wards already, I often decide it's just not worth it anymore, and just keep buying normal wards.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
December 09 2012 17:06 GMT
#2680
On December 10 2012 02:03 AsnSensation wrote:
Everybody's going Talon, Pantheon and Riven in my games right now T.T indeed the League of cleavers. When's the new patch coming? Maybe they should have hotfixed the BC only

Bonus, didn't know Dyrus was black.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYhTU2tAtTI&feature=plcp

riot is overreacting, they should just make it unique think they are actually overnerfing it
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