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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 09 2012 06:46 GMT
#2621
TakashiX a dick?

I had drinks with him at one of the MLGs....Raleigh I think....and he seemed like a pretty nice guy.

In fact, I wish he would start streaming again.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
December 09 2012 06:46 GMT
#2622
What do people think of Zephyr as like a fifth or sixth item on AD carries? It gives pretty much everything you want on most ADs minus the CDR (but some ADs like CDR). Same AS as PD and double the move speed but you don't get crit chance you get 20 AD and tenacity.

If you go something like Warmogs (like Rekkles did some in S2) or GA instead of QSS/Mercurial Scimitar I think that Zephyr might be one of the best sixth items to get as it gives you a nice combination of stats while also giving you some survivability by allowing you to actually build tenacity. Maybe even with a QSS/MercSci it'd still be better to get a Zephyr instead of another PD or whatever.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
December 09 2012 06:51 GMT
#2623
On December 09 2012 15:46 overt wrote:
What do people think of Zephyr as like a fifth or sixth item on AD carries? It gives pretty much everything you want on most ADs minus the CDR (but some ADs like CDR). Same AS as PD and double the move speed but you don't get crit chance you get 20 AD and tenacity.

If you go something like Warmogs (like Rekkles did some in S2) or GA instead of QSS/Mercurial Scimitar I think that Zephyr might be one of the best sixth items to get as it gives you a nice combination of stats while also giving you some survivability by allowing you to actually build tenacity. Maybe even with a QSS/MercSci it'd still be better to get a Zephyr instead of another PD or whatever.

It gives ms and tenacity so it's better for kiting but worse for damage output (trade utility/safety for crit dps and better pathing).

I still think you should keep qss as-is if you get it until you're outta space, then you upgrade to MS (completing the item doesn't offer much).
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
December 09 2012 06:52 GMT
#2624
On December 09 2012 15:34 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 15:14 UniversalSnip wrote:
On December 09 2012 15:08 Seuss wrote:
A little late to the Liandry's discussion, but I come bearing important information.

Specifically, Liandry's does not function the same as Teemo E or Nautilus W. New sources of magic damage interrupt and overwrite the previous proc instead of extending it, meaning that if it was just about to tick it will reset before dealing damage. The practical upshot of this is that DoT abilities, Null Zone or Malefic Visions for example, have a tendency to "munch" procs and eat a lot of the potential damage. Liandry's ticks every half second, so you would normally expect 10-11 ticks when using the aforementioned abilities. In fact, you'll only see 6-7, or potentially fewer if both are used in conjunction.

Ultimately the amount of damage Liadry's will deal with DoTs is no better than a single target spell in the ideal case, and worse if two or more DoTs are out of sync.


You're a straight up mechanics guru lately. What gives?


Lately?

Now I know people have been ignoring me for years.


No dude. I love your children's books.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
December 09 2012 06:57 GMT
#2625
On December 09 2012 15:51 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 15:46 overt wrote:
What do people think of Zephyr as like a fifth or sixth item on AD carries? It gives pretty much everything you want on most ADs minus the CDR (but some ADs like CDR). Same AS as PD and double the move speed but you don't get crit chance you get 20 AD and tenacity.

If you go something like Warmogs (like Rekkles did some in S2) or GA instead of QSS/Mercurial Scimitar I think that Zephyr might be one of the best sixth items to get as it gives you a nice combination of stats while also giving you some survivability by allowing you to actually build tenacity. Maybe even with a QSS/MercSci it'd still be better to get a Zephyr instead of another PD or whatever.

It gives ms and tenacity so it's better for kiting but worse for damage output (trade utility/safety for crit dps and better pathing).

I still think you should keep qss as-is if you get it until you're outta space, then you upgrade to MS (completing the item doesn't offer much).


Should point out that I'm not necessarily suggesting you don't get PD. A lot of AD carries in S2 were running zerker+IE+PD+BT+defense item+second PD instead of picking up a Last Whisper.

I think it's possible for Zephyr to be picked up in place of PD on some champions but likely not because the crit chance not being on Zephyr is pretty damn huge.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 09 2012 06:58 GMT
#2626
On December 09 2012 15:52 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 15:34 Seuss wrote:
On December 09 2012 15:14 UniversalSnip wrote:
On December 09 2012 15:08 Seuss wrote:
A little late to the Liandry's discussion, but I come bearing important information.

Specifically, Liandry's does not function the same as Teemo E or Nautilus W. New sources of magic damage interrupt and overwrite the previous proc instead of extending it, meaning that if it was just about to tick it will reset before dealing damage. The practical upshot of this is that DoT abilities, Null Zone or Malefic Visions for example, have a tendency to "munch" procs and eat a lot of the potential damage. Liandry's ticks every half second, so you would normally expect 10-11 ticks when using the aforementioned abilities. In fact, you'll only see 6-7, or potentially fewer if both are used in conjunction.

Ultimately the amount of damage Liadry's will deal with DoTs is no better than a single target spell in the ideal case, and worse if two or more DoTs are out of sync.


You're a straight up mechanics guru lately. What gives?


Lately?

Now I know people have been ignoring me for years.


No dude. I love your children's books.

One gank, two ganks, red gank, blue gank.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 09 2012 07:00 GMT
#2627
On December 09 2012 15:57 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 15:51 101toss wrote:
On December 09 2012 15:46 overt wrote:
What do people think of Zephyr as like a fifth or sixth item on AD carries? It gives pretty much everything you want on most ADs minus the CDR (but some ADs like CDR). Same AS as PD and double the move speed but you don't get crit chance you get 20 AD and tenacity.

If you go something like Warmogs (like Rekkles did some in S2) or GA instead of QSS/Mercurial Scimitar I think that Zephyr might be one of the best sixth items to get as it gives you a nice combination of stats while also giving you some survivability by allowing you to actually build tenacity. Maybe even with a QSS/MercSci it'd still be better to get a Zephyr instead of another PD or whatever.

It gives ms and tenacity so it's better for kiting but worse for damage output (trade utility/safety for crit dps and better pathing).

I still think you should keep qss as-is if you get it until you're outta space, then you upgrade to MS (completing the item doesn't offer much).


Should point out that I'm not necessarily suggesting you don't get PD. A lot of AD carries in S2 were running zerker+IE+PD+BT+defense item+second PD instead of picking up a Last Whisper.

I think it's possible for Zephyr to be picked up in place of PD on some champions but likely not because the crit chance not being on Zephyr is pretty damn huge.


I tried Zephyr. The lack of crit % hurts a lot....
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
December 09 2012 07:06 GMT
#2628
On December 09 2012 15:34 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 15:14 UniversalSnip wrote:
On December 09 2012 15:08 Seuss wrote:
A little late to the Liandry's discussion, but I come bearing important information.

Specifically, Liandry's does not function the same as Teemo E or Nautilus W. New sources of magic damage interrupt and overwrite the previous proc instead of extending it, meaning that if it was just about to tick it will reset before dealing damage. The practical upshot of this is that DoT abilities, Null Zone or Malefic Visions for example, have a tendency to "munch" procs and eat a lot of the potential damage. Liandry's ticks every half second, so you would normally expect 10-11 ticks when using the aforementioned abilities. In fact, you'll only see 6-7, or potentially fewer if both are used in conjunction.

Ultimately the amount of damage Liadry's will deal with DoTs is no better than a single target spell in the ideal case, and worse if two or more DoTs are out of sync.


You're a straight up mechanics guru lately. What gives?


Lately?

Now I know people have been ignoring me for years.

S'okay buddy.
I'm sure our AHGL cast tomorrow will have all 3 of our viewers paying close attention.
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Pinith
Profile Joined September 2010
651 Posts
December 09 2012 07:08 GMT
#2629
On December 09 2012 15:46 overt wrote:
What do people think of Zephyr as like a fifth or sixth item on AD carries? It gives pretty much everything you want on most ADs minus the CDR (but some ADs like CDR). Same AS as PD and double the move speed but you don't get crit chance you get 20 AD and tenacity.

If you go something like Warmogs (like Rekkles did some in S2) or GA instead of QSS/Mercurial Scimitar I think that Zephyr might be one of the best sixth items to get as it gives you a nice combination of stats while also giving you some survivability by allowing you to actually build tenacity. Maybe even with a QSS/MercSci it'd still be better to get a Zephyr instead of another PD or whatever.


I think the combine cost is too high. It's a 1200 combine where other AD items like IE, PD, or BT all have like 600-700 combine costs. You don't even get a lot for the 1200g. Zephyr combine gives 10% Aspeed, 10% MS, 10 AD and tenacity. The MS is nice but that's a terrible deal overall. Merc treads are a much better deal if you need tenacity..
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
December 09 2012 07:13 GMT
#2630
SmashGizmo is in the Nami spotlight ^^
icemanzdoinwork
Profile Joined August 2010
447 Posts
December 09 2012 07:20 GMT
#2631
I'm not sure if some of you read GD or not, but the QQ about cleaver is down right hilarious at the moment. Reading the GD hasn't been this funny since Darius was released.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
December 09 2012 07:23 GMT
#2632
On December 09 2012 16:20 icemanzdoinwork wrote:
I'm not sure if some of you read GD or not, but the QQ about cleaver is down right hilarious at the moment. Reading the GD hasn't been this funny since Darius was released.

I make QQ posts and since I have plat badge people will suck my dick
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
December 09 2012 07:53 GMT
#2633
On December 09 2012 16:00 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 15:57 overt wrote:
On December 09 2012 15:51 101toss wrote:
On December 09 2012 15:46 overt wrote:
What do people think of Zephyr as like a fifth or sixth item on AD carries? It gives pretty much everything you want on most ADs minus the CDR (but some ADs like CDR). Same AS as PD and double the move speed but you don't get crit chance you get 20 AD and tenacity.

If you go something like Warmogs (like Rekkles did some in S2) or GA instead of QSS/Mercurial Scimitar I think that Zephyr might be one of the best sixth items to get as it gives you a nice combination of stats while also giving you some survivability by allowing you to actually build tenacity. Maybe even with a QSS/MercSci it'd still be better to get a Zephyr instead of another PD or whatever.

It gives ms and tenacity so it's better for kiting but worse for damage output (trade utility/safety for crit dps and better pathing).

I still think you should keep qss as-is if you get it until you're outta space, then you upgrade to MS (completing the item doesn't offer much).


Should point out that I'm not necessarily suggesting you don't get PD. A lot of AD carries in S2 were running zerker+IE+PD+BT+defense item+second PD instead of picking up a Last Whisper.

I think it's possible for Zephyr to be picked up in place of PD on some champions but likely not because the crit chance not being on Zephyr is pretty damn huge.


I tried Zephyr. The lack of crit % hurts a lot....


Even if you don't go IE?
I was thinking of BT -> SotD -> Zephyr on someone like Vayne (take advantage of SotD in ult, as well as to heal up).
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 09 2012 07:55 GMT
#2634
On December 09 2012 16:20 icemanzdoinwork wrote:
I'm not sure if some of you read GD or not, but the QQ about cleaver is down right hilarious at the moment. Reading the GD hasn't been this funny since Darius was released.

Meh, I think the nerfs they're implementing for BC is a bit too much (in PBE). Just make the passive unique, and the rest shouldn't be touched.

What they really need to change are the items that spritstone builds out of.
liftlift > tsm
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 09 2012 07:59 GMT
#2635
On December 09 2012 16:55 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 16:20 icemanzdoinwork wrote:
I'm not sure if some of you read GD or not, but the QQ about cleaver is down right hilarious at the moment. Reading the GD hasn't been this funny since Darius was released.

Meh, I think the nerfs they're implementing for BC is a bit too much (in PBE). Just make the passive unique, and the rest shouldn't be touched.

What they really need to change are the items that spritstone builds out of.

Not worth building? Ancient Golem seems alright on tanky junglers who use mana (which is a decent portion of junglers), hardly ever see the other two though.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 09 2012 07:59 GMT
#2636
Are there any OGN Winter matches tonight?
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
December 09 2012 08:08 GMT
#2637
On December 09 2012 15:46 VirgilSC2 wrote:
TakashiX a dick?

I had drinks with him at one of the MLGs....Raleigh I think....and he seemed like a pretty nice guy.

In fact, I wish he would start streaming again.

takashix is one of the worst in soloq
GANDHISAUCE
smekz
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal503 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 08:14:55
December 09 2012 08:14 GMT
#2638
flaming in video games, big deal these days.
i don't get why would u tease someone for being pwned and then do not expect some kind of retaliation. there's no reason to make a big deal out of it anyway. if you care about such things you're just wasting your time
anyway that's why love loci stream, smooth as silk :>
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
December 09 2012 08:19 GMT
#2639
On December 09 2012 15:35 HazMat wrote:
I think Wings officially hates me GG. I'ma become the next xj9 I think. That guy's my idol.


I'm sure this time tomorrow he wont even remember your username.
TranslatorBaa!
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
December 09 2012 08:23 GMT
#2640
On December 09 2012 17:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 15:35 HazMat wrote:
I think Wings officially hates me GG. I'ma become the next xj9 I think. That guy's my idol.


I'm sure this time tomorrow he wont even remember your username.


^^^

no offense smash but this isn't really news
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
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