• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:56
CET 00:56
KST 08:56
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy5ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises0Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool42Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block
Tourneys
World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Team League Season 10 KSL Week 87
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion Soulkey's decision to leave C9 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ JaeDong's form before ASL [ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues ASL Season 21 LIVESTREAM with English Commentary [ASL21] Ro24 Group A [BSL22] Open Qualifiers & Ladder Tours
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
U4GM Tips Counter Enemy Gadgets Fast in Black Ops rsvsr How to Keep Reward Chains Rolling in Monopol u4gm What to Do First in MLB The Show 26 Spring
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2696 users

[Patch 1.0.0.151: End of S2] General Discussion - Page 56

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 54 55 56 57 58 280 Next
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 20:12:48
November 15 2012 20:10 GMT
#1101
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with releasing a champ with an intended role, it doesn't instantly make their kit not cool. Makes overall balance much easier, and you still get cases like Elise where people found out she was way better at tanky-ap top instead of glass canon mid.

Edit: Also with the new support items, a small amounts of of AP might be able to be itemized while still offering utility.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
November 15 2012 20:10 GMT
#1102
i find great humor in playing Lux these days. I can't hit her stupid binding for the life of me (which is wierd because it's easier to use than morgana's and I have no problem with her) and i always flub her E... but she's so encouraging

"We can do this!" YEAH LUX WE CAN LET'S GO!!!!! *feeds* D:
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
November 15 2012 20:12 GMT
#1103
Funny how clg is the next team getting ddosed after they got a gaming house, one might think that they have prepared themselves after seeing the tsm ddso incidents.

also it's quite scary to have platinum and silver players in one game atm. Like we had this Mordekaiser who was silver and got abit lucky in his first few placements and rose to 1620 and didnt buy a single ward in 25minutes and went 0/9
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 20:14:06
November 15 2012 20:13 GMT
#1104
On November 16 2012 05:08 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 05:07 Zdrastochye wrote:
Question though, why would people think they'd put AP scaling CC on her when they intend on her being support? Surely you wouldn't incentivize a support building pure AP, unless you want them to be mid,

Probably because they're still caught up in their heads that AP is a stat that supports want to itemize in some significant capacity.

That is the line of thinking that led them to constantly label Morello's as a support item.


I thought Morellos was considered a support item because old DFG + blue buff + 4% from masteries gave any AP mid 39% CDR and therefore those building Morellos would be non-AP mids?
Hey! How you doin'?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 15 2012 20:16 GMT
#1105
On November 16 2012 05:13 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 05:08 TheYango wrote:
On November 16 2012 05:07 Zdrastochye wrote:
Question though, why would people think they'd put AP scaling CC on her when they intend on her being support? Surely you wouldn't incentivize a support building pure AP, unless you want them to be mid,

Probably because they're still caught up in their heads that AP is a stat that supports want to itemize in some significant capacity.

That is the line of thinking that led them to constantly label Morello's as a support item.


I thought Morellos was considered a support item because old DFG + blue buff + 4% from masteries gave any AP mid 39% CDR and therefore those building Morellos would be non-AP mids?

That makes it a non-AP item yes.

But it's still laughable that they thought supports would ever buy it, because somehow they thought supports would be able to justify buying an NLR's worth of AP.
Moderator
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
November 15 2012 20:16 GMT
#1106
On November 16 2012 04:55 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 04:01 UniversalSnip wrote:
As you can tell by the examples they use they intend to convey that support heroes are a subset of the support lane role. So when they say they mean support in the first sense, not the second, they're not excluding the second sense, they're saying it's not the complete definition they're using. I'm absolutely certain she's intended to go bot. It's pretty basic english.

basic english? are you serious? nice underhanded insult.

there is nothing that says support heroes are a subset of support in bot lane.

honestly riot has no idea what they are talking about. i don't see how zyra isn't a support hero. by their definition:
Show nested quote +
Support characters are defined by being assisters and enablers for their allies – this is the core “support psychology” we want to achieve.

Show nested quote +
Zyra, while able to play the support role, is not a support champion by these definitions – she’s more like a mage with an off-spec.

i don't see how a bind (E) and a popup (R) and a slow (WE plants) are not assists/enablers. because they have good AP ratios? i don't know.

i am hoping that nami can be played in multiple lanes but i wouldn't be surprised if they try to pigeonhole her into a role. it's interesting to have support characters in solo lanes, like zilean/morg/janna, and that their role in teamfights is partially sustained damage but also partially support.

Think of the difference as this. Shields and heals are assist abilities. Movespeed slows or buffs and cc are enabling abilities. Syria has enabling abilities, but not assisting abilities, whereas Janna lulu and sona all have both. In contrast, soraka only has assisting abilities (maybe silence counts as an enabling ability... Seems like a stretch though).
Enabling abilities may be good for 0 farm bot laners, but that doesn't class them under the 'I'm going to help out my teammates by making them better' support archetype.
As has already been pointed out riots terms refer to underlying concept, and character design, rather than the comparatively narrow top jungle mid adc support.
Note I'm not defending anything, I'm just trying to show how it isn't a hard concept to grasp.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
November 15 2012 20:17 GMT
#1107
Reminds me to buy more Mejais on my supports.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
November 15 2012 20:17 GMT
#1108
But but but...How else is Lustboy gonna play AP Blitzcrank without AP??
God Bless
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 15 2012 20:20 GMT
#1109
i used to build mejai on soraka back in the day, was pretty legit
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Ziken
Profile Joined August 2010
Ghana1743 Posts
November 15 2012 20:20 GMT
#1110
On November 16 2012 04:09 Hyren wrote:
Anyone else have problems with Own3d streams these days? Randomly I won't be able to watch Own3d streams at all, I just get a black screen regardless of how many times I refresh the page but Twitch streams pop up instantly.


Having had any problems with stream loading on own3d, but own3d seems to be lagging a lot more on average than twitch. Definitely wasnt like that for me before.
Every misfortune is a blessing in disguise.
Ziken
Profile Joined August 2010
Ghana1743 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 20:24:25
November 15 2012 20:23 GMT
#1111
On November 16 2012 05:08 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 05:07 Zdrastochye wrote:
Question though, why would people think they'd put AP scaling CC on her when they intend on her being support? Surely you wouldn't incentivize a support building pure AP, unless you want them to be mid,

Probably because they're still caught up in their heads that AP is a stat that supports want to itemize in some significant capacity.

That is the line of thinking that led them to constantly label Morello's as a support item.


That is actually a perfect explanation for why Riot thinks morello's is good/should exist. Yango so smart.

Edit: zzz sry for double didnt realize i could edit.
Every misfortune is a blessing in disguise.
AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
November 15 2012 20:35 GMT
#1112
New HUD and Store look pretty cool.

Apparently you can also type TONS OF DAMAGE into the new search bar and Triforce will be listed. Well played.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 15 2012 20:36 GMT
#1113
On November 16 2012 05:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
i find great humor in playing Lux these days. I can't hit her stupid binding for the life of me (which is wierd because it's easier to use than morgana's and I have no problem with her) and i always flub her E... but she's so encouraging

"We can do this!" YEAH LUX WE CAN LET'S GO!!!!! *feeds* D:

You're suppose to put your E down first, to make it easier to hit your Q. If that helps at all.
liftlift > tsm
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 20:38:05
November 15 2012 20:36 GMT
#1114
On November 16 2012 05:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
i find great humor in playing Lux these days. I can't hit her stupid binding for the life of me (which is wierd because it's easier to use than morgana's and I have no problem with her) and i always flub her E... but she's so encouraging

"We can do this!" YEAH LUX WE CAN LET'S GO!!!!! *feeds* D:


They need to buff Lux by making her do the Sailor Moon taunt more often.

Make it happen Riot.

If it makes you feel better, I learned Lux before Morgana. The snares go at different speeds, and I feel very comfortable with Lux's snare, but I cannot land Dark Binding ever.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 15 2012 20:42 GMT
#1115
On November 16 2012 05:35 AwayFromLife wrote:
New HUD and Store look pretty cool.

Apparently you can also type TONS OF DAMAGE into the new search bar and Triforce will be listed. Well played.

Liking the new HUD, seeing the skill leveling will be nice when watching streams. Shop stuff looks nice too, search function will be super useful. Although I wish they would have done the thing where consumables are just constantly shown in a bar at the top of the shop. Still, a welcomed improvement.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 15 2012 20:46 GMT
#1116
On November 16 2012 05:36 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 05:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
i find great humor in playing Lux these days. I can't hit her stupid binding for the life of me (which is wierd because it's easier to use than morgana's and I have no problem with her) and i always flub her E... but she's so encouraging

"We can do this!" YEAH LUX WE CAN LET'S GO!!!!! *feeds* D:


They need to buff Lux by making her do the Sailor Moon taunt more often.

Make it happen Riot.

If it makes you feel better, I learned Lux before Morgana. The snares go at different speeds, and I feel very comfortable with Lux's snare, but I cannot land Dark Binding ever.

Supposedly the bindings go at the same speed.
It doesn't feel that way but I remember a Rioter saying it at some point.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 15 2012 20:52 GMT
#1117
On November 16 2012 05:36 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 05:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
i find great humor in playing Lux these days. I can't hit her stupid binding for the life of me (which is wierd because it's easier to use than morgana's and I have no problem with her) and i always flub her E... but she's so encouraging

"We can do this!" YEAH LUX WE CAN LET'S GO!!!!! *feeds* D:


They need to buff Lux by making her do the Sailor Moon taunt more often.

Make it happen Riot.

If it makes you feel better, I learned Lux before Morgana. The snares go at different speeds, and I feel very comfortable with Lux's snare, but I cannot land Dark Binding ever.


I think Lux is one of the best champions Riot made (good job Shurelia). Despite being (AFAIK) hugely underpowered since her conception, she has enduring popularity in the playerbase. It's partly because she is fun to play, but also due to her artistic designs.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 15 2012 20:57 GMT
#1118
She has a surprisingly high skill cap to be played to her full potential. I've seen some pros make Lux look pretty overpowered. I think being able to hit skills shots consistently might have something to do with that.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Korlin
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada142 Posts
November 15 2012 20:58 GMT
#1119
Playing Lux was definitely a lot of fun. I kept getting on my team's nerves with my uncontrollable optimism while playing her.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 15 2012 21:12 GMT
#1120
On November 16 2012 05:57 onlywonderboy wrote:
She has a surprisingly high skill cap to be played to her full potential. I've seen some pros make Lux look pretty overpowered. I think being able to hit skills shots consistently might have something to do with that.

surprisingly? all of her spells are skillshots
the key to lux really is just hitting your q, everything depends on it
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Prev 1 54 55 56 57 58 280 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 10h 4m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft360
elazer 169
CosmosSc2 73
Nina 70
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 3876
Artosis 734
Stork 77
ggaemo 54
LancerX 25
NaDa 17
ajuk12(nOOB) 4
Terrorterran 1
Dota 2
monkeys_forever416
Counter-Strike
taco 385
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0313
AZ_Axe127
PPMD37
Liquid`Ken13
Other Games
summit1g9926
ToD180
Maynarde108
Trikslyr51
UpATreeSC47
JuggernautJason12
deth8
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick821
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream70
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 206
• davetesta22
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Scarra1086
• imaqtpie1054
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10h 4m
Afreeca Starleague
10h 4m
Soulkey vs Ample
JyJ vs sSak
Replay Cast
1d 9h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 10h
hero vs YSC
Larva vs Shine
Kung Fu Cup
1d 11h
Replay Cast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
WardiTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Team League
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Team League
4 days
Platinum Heroes Events
4 days
BSL
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
5 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-22
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Proleague 2026-03-23
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.