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[Patch 1.0.0.151: End of S2] General Discussion - Page 56

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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 20:12:48
November 15 2012 20:10 GMT
#1101
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with releasing a champ with an intended role, it doesn't instantly make their kit not cool. Makes overall balance much easier, and you still get cases like Elise where people found out she was way better at tanky-ap top instead of glass canon mid.

Edit: Also with the new support items, a small amounts of of AP might be able to be itemized while still offering utility.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
November 15 2012 20:10 GMT
#1102
i find great humor in playing Lux these days. I can't hit her stupid binding for the life of me (which is wierd because it's easier to use than morgana's and I have no problem with her) and i always flub her E... but she's so encouraging

"We can do this!" YEAH LUX WE CAN LET'S GO!!!!! *feeds* D:
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
November 15 2012 20:12 GMT
#1103
Funny how clg is the next team getting ddosed after they got a gaming house, one might think that they have prepared themselves after seeing the tsm ddso incidents.

also it's quite scary to have platinum and silver players in one game atm. Like we had this Mordekaiser who was silver and got abit lucky in his first few placements and rose to 1620 and didnt buy a single ward in 25minutes and went 0/9
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 20:14:06
November 15 2012 20:13 GMT
#1104
On November 16 2012 05:08 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 05:07 Zdrastochye wrote:
Question though, why would people think they'd put AP scaling CC on her when they intend on her being support? Surely you wouldn't incentivize a support building pure AP, unless you want them to be mid,

Probably because they're still caught up in their heads that AP is a stat that supports want to itemize in some significant capacity.

That is the line of thinking that led them to constantly label Morello's as a support item.


I thought Morellos was considered a support item because old DFG + blue buff + 4% from masteries gave any AP mid 39% CDR and therefore those building Morellos would be non-AP mids?
Hey! How you doin'?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 15 2012 20:16 GMT
#1105
On November 16 2012 05:13 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 05:08 TheYango wrote:
On November 16 2012 05:07 Zdrastochye wrote:
Question though, why would people think they'd put AP scaling CC on her when they intend on her being support? Surely you wouldn't incentivize a support building pure AP, unless you want them to be mid,

Probably because they're still caught up in their heads that AP is a stat that supports want to itemize in some significant capacity.

That is the line of thinking that led them to constantly label Morello's as a support item.


I thought Morellos was considered a support item because old DFG + blue buff + 4% from masteries gave any AP mid 39% CDR and therefore those building Morellos would be non-AP mids?

That makes it a non-AP item yes.

But it's still laughable that they thought supports would ever buy it, because somehow they thought supports would be able to justify buying an NLR's worth of AP.
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Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
November 15 2012 20:16 GMT
#1106
On November 16 2012 04:55 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 04:01 UniversalSnip wrote:
As you can tell by the examples they use they intend to convey that support heroes are a subset of the support lane role. So when they say they mean support in the first sense, not the second, they're not excluding the second sense, they're saying it's not the complete definition they're using. I'm absolutely certain she's intended to go bot. It's pretty basic english.

basic english? are you serious? nice underhanded insult.

there is nothing that says support heroes are a subset of support in bot lane.

honestly riot has no idea what they are talking about. i don't see how zyra isn't a support hero. by their definition:
Show nested quote +
Support characters are defined by being assisters and enablers for their allies – this is the core “support psychology” we want to achieve.

Show nested quote +
Zyra, while able to play the support role, is not a support champion by these definitions – she’s more like a mage with an off-spec.

i don't see how a bind (E) and a popup (R) and a slow (WE plants) are not assists/enablers. because they have good AP ratios? i don't know.

i am hoping that nami can be played in multiple lanes but i wouldn't be surprised if they try to pigeonhole her into a role. it's interesting to have support characters in solo lanes, like zilean/morg/janna, and that their role in teamfights is partially sustained damage but also partially support.

Think of the difference as this. Shields and heals are assist abilities. Movespeed slows or buffs and cc are enabling abilities. Syria has enabling abilities, but not assisting abilities, whereas Janna lulu and sona all have both. In contrast, soraka only has assisting abilities (maybe silence counts as an enabling ability... Seems like a stretch though).
Enabling abilities may be good for 0 farm bot laners, but that doesn't class them under the 'I'm going to help out my teammates by making them better' support archetype.
As has already been pointed out riots terms refer to underlying concept, and character design, rather than the comparatively narrow top jungle mid adc support.
Note I'm not defending anything, I'm just trying to show how it isn't a hard concept to grasp.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
November 15 2012 20:17 GMT
#1107
Reminds me to buy more Mejais on my supports.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
November 15 2012 20:17 GMT
#1108
But but but...How else is Lustboy gonna play AP Blitzcrank without AP??
God Bless
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 15 2012 20:20 GMT
#1109
i used to build mejai on soraka back in the day, was pretty legit
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Ziken
Profile Joined August 2010
Ghana1743 Posts
November 15 2012 20:20 GMT
#1110
On November 16 2012 04:09 Hyren wrote:
Anyone else have problems with Own3d streams these days? Randomly I won't be able to watch Own3d streams at all, I just get a black screen regardless of how many times I refresh the page but Twitch streams pop up instantly.


Having had any problems with stream loading on own3d, but own3d seems to be lagging a lot more on average than twitch. Definitely wasnt like that for me before.
Every misfortune is a blessing in disguise.
Ziken
Profile Joined August 2010
Ghana1743 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 20:24:25
November 15 2012 20:23 GMT
#1111
On November 16 2012 05:08 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 05:07 Zdrastochye wrote:
Question though, why would people think they'd put AP scaling CC on her when they intend on her being support? Surely you wouldn't incentivize a support building pure AP, unless you want them to be mid,

Probably because they're still caught up in their heads that AP is a stat that supports want to itemize in some significant capacity.

That is the line of thinking that led them to constantly label Morello's as a support item.


That is actually a perfect explanation for why Riot thinks morello's is good/should exist. Yango so smart.

Edit: zzz sry for double didnt realize i could edit.
Every misfortune is a blessing in disguise.
AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
November 15 2012 20:35 GMT
#1112
New HUD and Store look pretty cool.

Apparently you can also type TONS OF DAMAGE into the new search bar and Triforce will be listed. Well played.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 15 2012 20:36 GMT
#1113
On November 16 2012 05:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
i find great humor in playing Lux these days. I can't hit her stupid binding for the life of me (which is wierd because it's easier to use than morgana's and I have no problem with her) and i always flub her E... but she's so encouraging

"We can do this!" YEAH LUX WE CAN LET'S GO!!!!! *feeds* D:

You're suppose to put your E down first, to make it easier to hit your Q. If that helps at all.
liftlift > tsm
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 20:38:05
November 15 2012 20:36 GMT
#1114
On November 16 2012 05:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
i find great humor in playing Lux these days. I can't hit her stupid binding for the life of me (which is wierd because it's easier to use than morgana's and I have no problem with her) and i always flub her E... but she's so encouraging

"We can do this!" YEAH LUX WE CAN LET'S GO!!!!! *feeds* D:


They need to buff Lux by making her do the Sailor Moon taunt more often.

Make it happen Riot.

If it makes you feel better, I learned Lux before Morgana. The snares go at different speeds, and I feel very comfortable with Lux's snare, but I cannot land Dark Binding ever.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 15 2012 20:42 GMT
#1115
On November 16 2012 05:35 AwayFromLife wrote:
New HUD and Store look pretty cool.

Apparently you can also type TONS OF DAMAGE into the new search bar and Triforce will be listed. Well played.

Liking the new HUD, seeing the skill leveling will be nice when watching streams. Shop stuff looks nice too, search function will be super useful. Although I wish they would have done the thing where consumables are just constantly shown in a bar at the top of the shop. Still, a welcomed improvement.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 15 2012 20:46 GMT
#1116
On November 16 2012 05:36 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 05:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
i find great humor in playing Lux these days. I can't hit her stupid binding for the life of me (which is wierd because it's easier to use than morgana's and I have no problem with her) and i always flub her E... but she's so encouraging

"We can do this!" YEAH LUX WE CAN LET'S GO!!!!! *feeds* D:


They need to buff Lux by making her do the Sailor Moon taunt more often.

Make it happen Riot.

If it makes you feel better, I learned Lux before Morgana. The snares go at different speeds, and I feel very comfortable with Lux's snare, but I cannot land Dark Binding ever.

Supposedly the bindings go at the same speed.
It doesn't feel that way but I remember a Rioter saying it at some point.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 15 2012 20:52 GMT
#1117
On November 16 2012 05:36 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 05:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
i find great humor in playing Lux these days. I can't hit her stupid binding for the life of me (which is wierd because it's easier to use than morgana's and I have no problem with her) and i always flub her E... but she's so encouraging

"We can do this!" YEAH LUX WE CAN LET'S GO!!!!! *feeds* D:


They need to buff Lux by making her do the Sailor Moon taunt more often.

Make it happen Riot.

If it makes you feel better, I learned Lux before Morgana. The snares go at different speeds, and I feel very comfortable with Lux's snare, but I cannot land Dark Binding ever.


I think Lux is one of the best champions Riot made (good job Shurelia). Despite being (AFAIK) hugely underpowered since her conception, she has enduring popularity in the playerbase. It's partly because she is fun to play, but also due to her artistic designs.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 15 2012 20:57 GMT
#1118
She has a surprisingly high skill cap to be played to her full potential. I've seen some pros make Lux look pretty overpowered. I think being able to hit skills shots consistently might have something to do with that.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Korlin
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada142 Posts
November 15 2012 20:58 GMT
#1119
Playing Lux was definitely a lot of fun. I kept getting on my team's nerves with my uncontrollable optimism while playing her.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 15 2012 21:12 GMT
#1120
On November 16 2012 05:57 onlywonderboy wrote:
She has a surprisingly high skill cap to be played to her full potential. I've seen some pros make Lux look pretty overpowered. I think being able to hit skills shots consistently might have something to do with that.

surprisingly? all of her spells are skillshots
the key to lux really is just hitting your q, everything depends on it
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
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