EPT[Patch 1.0.0.151: End of S2] General Discussion - Page 55
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UniversalSnip
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On November 16 2012 03:17 Praetorial wrote: AP->CC? Deep freeze: Nami freezes water in a line, stunning enemy champions for 2/3/4 seconds. For every 100 AP, one second is added to the duration? I think riot is smarter than that. If I were going to design an AP->CC, it would be something like Tides of Disruption Damages and slows enemy champions in a cone by x/x/x/x/x% for 1.5s (+0.5s per 100 AP), with the slow effect wearing off over the duration. Or, something like Deep freeze Freezes water in a line, dealing damage and stunning enemy champions for 1.5s (+0.5s per 100 AP, up to a maximum of +1s) | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
get level 3, gank top/their jungler and then constantly look for opportunities to gank if you end up wasting your time and the gank isn't succesful, ask yourself why it wasn't and apply the knowledge for your next ganks if you do it like this you will find yourself underfarmed most of the games (unless you're really good already for some reason), but with time and experience, you will only start making plays that are able to be made and find more time for farming like even if im maokai and see a play to be made top, ill simply go there, ganks op the reason why u dont see as many ganks on higher levels of play is because there are less plays available, but that doesnt mean that you shouldnt gank when they do, in fact, exist | ||
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Hyren
United States817 Posts
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Koenig99
Canada904 Posts
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On November 16 2012 04:10 Koenig99 wrote: lol wtf, HSGG Udyr true raidboss status. Link? | ||
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Koenig99
Canada904 Posts
It was on his stream, he was literally 1v4 the other team and stole baron from them without smite. But then he got ddosed and they lost.... | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
On November 16 2012 04:09 Hyren wrote: Anyone else have problems with Own3d streams these days? Randomly I won't be able to watch Own3d streams at all, I just get a black screen regardless of how many times I refresh the page but Twitch streams pop up instantly. Try lowering the resolution. I know I can't watch St Vicious stream at 720p, but can at 480. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On November 16 2012 04:37 hasuprotoss wrote: Try lowering the resolution. I know I can't watch St Vicious stream at 720p, but can at 480. i get black screen whenever im downloading shit and my internet is lagging, just wait it out and it will eventually appear | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Riot tags champs according to what they're designed around, we call champions according to where we'd stick them in the current meta. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On November 16 2012 04:01 UniversalSnip wrote: As you can tell by the examples they use they intend to convey that support heroes are a subset of the support lane role. So when they say they mean support in the first sense, not the second, they're not excluding the second sense, they're saying it's not the complete definition they're using. I'm absolutely certain she's intended to go bot. It's pretty basic english. basic english? are you serious? nice underhanded insult. there is nothing that says support heroes are a subset of support in bot lane. honestly riot has no idea what they are talking about. i don't see how zyra isn't a support hero. by their definition: Support characters are defined by being assisters and enablers for their allies – this is the core “support psychology” we want to achieve. Zyra, while able to play the support role, is not a support champion by these definitions – she’s more like a mage with an off-spec. i don't see how a bind (E) and a popup (R) and a slow (WE plants) are not assists/enablers. because they have good AP ratios? i don't know. i am hoping that nami can be played in multiple lanes but i wouldn't be surprised if they try to pigeonhole her into a role. it's interesting to have support characters in solo lanes, like zilean/morg/janna, and that their role in teamfights is partially sustained damage but also partially support. | ||
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Mauzel
United States421 Posts
I have a pseudo tier list of ganking ability based on whether they're farm based (counterjungle tier), can gank top (tier 1), mid (tier 2) or bot (tier 3). Limiting myself in this way prevented me from overthinking whether I should be ganking or not when I was inexperienced in jungle Examples: counterjungle tier: Shyvanna / Mundo Top: Pre-6 Skarner, Pre-6 Amumu, Olaf Mid: Pre-6 Noct, Maokai Bot: Shaco, Post-6 Nocturne, Post-6 Skarner | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
Edit: Yeah, Zyra definitely falls into there "second" dentition of support. Maybe they are just in denial. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 16 2012 04:58 TheYango wrote: Can we just ignore whatever Riot says when it comes to support design? Honestly, they've been wrong more often than they've been right with regard to their support designs. The biggest problem I have with Riot, is they're designing champs with the meta in mind, rather than just designing cool champions, and letting people figure them out themselves. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On November 16 2012 04:58 TheYango wrote: Can we just ignore whatever Riot says when it comes to support design? Honestly, they've been wrong more often than they've been right with regard to their support designs. I'd say a majority of their "wrong" champs for support came out awhile back. Nowadays they more or less get it, they're just too stubborn to change their ideas on old champs. Lulu was intended support and that worked out fine. Zyra I'd argue is still plenty viable mid so I'm tempted to not lump her into the "was released AP mid but is better support" group. This champ will probably be a good support. Question though, why would people think they'd put AP scaling CC on her when they intend on her being support? Surely you wouldn't incentivize a support building pure AP, unless you want them to be mid, | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On November 16 2012 04:55 kainzero wrote: The problem lies in Riot calling "assists/enablers" champ with shield, heals, and stuff of that sort. Nunu isn't listed as a support despite BloodBoil being a fantastic buff (Nid is listed as one for her heal, not her AS buff). Leona, Amumu, etc. are supports because of their cc, for example. Maokai's ult is a great defensive supportive tool. But Mao doesn't "directly" (ie click'n'point) buff his allies, Leona mostly allows offensive actions through her cc. That's this kind of stuff. Now I don't stay that they use the wording correctly, nor that they have a good idea of what "supporting" is. But when following their definition nonetheless, it's pretty coherent with itself. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 16 2012 05:07 Zdrastochye wrote: Question though, why would people think they'd put AP scaling CC on her when they intend on her being support? Surely you wouldn't incentivize a support building pure AP, unless you want them to be mid, Probably because they're still caught up in their heads that AP is a stat that supports want to itemize in some significant capacity. That is the line of thinking that led them to constantly label Morello's as a support item. | ||
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