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On November 15 2012 05:05 TheYango wrote:I don't know why Riot designed this item such that the two carries that have the most need for an AoE farming item have no special interactions with it's mechanics.
You can still buy it if you need more AoE farming, but it won't do anything for them in teamfights. I think Vayne or Ez might use it if you're in kind of a push comp, where you just want to blitz down waves of creeps instantly. But in those cases, why are you not just using an AoE AD?
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On November 15 2012 05:04 Numy wrote:Varus already has quite good AoE I feel and so don't really see why you would build more AoE on him instead of building to his weaknesses.
AP Varus can now chunk 3 people instead of 1? Seems legit to me. Even if you go AD, potentially hitting 3 people for 15% of their max health is pretty good...
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On November 15 2012 05:07 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 05:00 Doctorbeat wrote:Sad that Vayne doesn't get aoe silver bolts procs. That would be pretty op. I wonder what the interaction is with kayle E. Is the damage from E an onhit?.....if so she'll be a goto pick in a lot of AoE comps.
From what I read, Kayle's E turns her into a ranged champ directly, and this item seems to react to many ranged champ's onhit abilities. I think it will proc the aoe of her main hit to both bolts unless they say otherwise.
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On November 15 2012 05:10 Celial wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 05:02 TheSinisterRed wrote:
I'm curious how some of the junglers on pro teams are going to react to the changes for S3. If the gold does put them close to/even with lane farm and jungle starts to become a carry position some of the great 'support junglers' like OddOne could have a hard time adjusting. It would be great if both carry jungle and support jungle became viable and teams could start to really stand out in terms of playstyle, but I don't really see that happening. SV gonna be the best jungler in the world. Always Shyvana and farm, never not Shyvana and farm.
Shy will be interesting. They said she's currently one of the fastest junglers in the new jungle (makes sense), but she's very unsafe, since she doesn't have defenses to compensate for the higher/more damage. So she might be one of those "fourth lane jungle" champions.
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On November 15 2012 05:11 lilwisper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 05:07 Amui wrote:On November 15 2012 05:00 Doctorbeat wrote:Sad that Vayne doesn't get aoe silver bolts procs. That would be pretty op. I wonder what the interaction is with kayle E. Is the damage from E an onhit?.....if so she'll be a goto pick in a lot of AoE comps. From what I read, Kayle's E turns her into a ranged champ directly, and this item seems to react to many ranged champ's onhit abilities. I think it will proc the aoe of her main hit to both bolts unless they say otherwise.
That'd be insane then....up to 180+1.2AD from E alone in a teamfight, and you'll basically instaclear waves too.
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Damn these new items seem really cool. Can't wait to try them out
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Once S3 items come, will AD runes become obsolute? I'm deciding between AD or ArPen runes, only got points for one set.
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Put Lulu E on an AD carry with Hurricane.
Pix is gonna be machine-gunning people.
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On November 15 2012 05:15 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 05:11 lilwisper wrote:On November 15 2012 05:07 Amui wrote:On November 15 2012 05:00 Doctorbeat wrote:Sad that Vayne doesn't get aoe silver bolts procs. That would be pretty op. I wonder what the interaction is with kayle E. Is the damage from E an onhit?.....if so she'll be a goto pick in a lot of AoE comps. From what I read, Kayle's E turns her into a ranged champ directly, and this item seems to react to many ranged champ's onhit abilities. I think it will proc the aoe of her main hit to both bolts unless they say otherwise. That'd be insane then....up to 180+1.2AD from E alone in a teamfight, and you'll basically instaclear waves too.
Well they haven't given a break down of Kayle on the item yet so it's hard to say how they will go on it. It might be that they are watching the thread and seeing how people react to certain ideas before they give a final say on it.
On November 15 2012 05:20 TheYango wrote:
Put Lulu E on an AD carry with Hurricane.
Pix is gonna be machine-gunning people.
I would so love to see this, provided the proper damage balancing.
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On November 15 2012 05:05 TheYango wrote:I don't know why Riot designed this item such that the two carries that have the most need for an AoE farming item have no special interactions with it's mechanics.
Given how it's targetted to be a late-midgame buy they probably weren't looking for it to be all that spectacular for farming
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I'm wondering how this interacts with Twitch's ultimate. At the very least he'll apply poison to three targets at once on normal attacks.
Note that if this item applies on-hit effects it's implied that it will also work with Life Steal. BT+Storm too strong.
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I'm just picturing AP teemo right now with that item. He can AoE down 3 people at once with high attackspeed, insane damage poison darts.
I'm just trying to think of champions that'd do really well with it... hmm...
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On November 15 2012 05:24 Lmui wrote:
I'm just picturing AP teemo right now with that item. He can AoE down 3 people at once with high attackspeed, insane damage poison darts.
I'm just trying to think of champions that'd do really well with it... hmm...
AS Twisted Fate thanks to his E, maybe. But the real monster would be if it applied Pick A Card to all targets. 3 stuns real. I highly doubt that though.
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Oh God, AP-Kog'maw. Hit three people at once for 10% of their maximum health, each!
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I wonder if they are trying to make a choice of the ranged AD's going into lower damage onhit shotgunny types or high damage crit=you die rifle types? Crits dont work with it, so getting IE+PD will be a waste, but getting BT should be awesome?
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The new Hurricane item might be good on some weird AS/on-hit builds that seem to be generally suboptimal these days, since any extra AD only gives you 50% on the side bolts, and the side bolts can't crit (I think) but the Wit's End magic damage will proc fully. Might also be good with BoRK or whatever the MBR replacement is.
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On November 15 2012 05:12 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 05:10 Celial wrote:On November 15 2012 05:02 TheSinisterRed wrote:
I'm curious how some of the junglers on pro teams are going to react to the changes for S3. If the gold does put them close to/even with lane farm and jungle starts to become a carry position some of the great 'support junglers' like OddOne could have a hard time adjusting. It would be great if both carry jungle and support jungle became viable and teams could start to really stand out in terms of playstyle, but I don't really see that happening. SV gonna be the best jungler in the world. Always Shyvana and farm, never not Shyvana and farm. Shy will be interesting. They said she's currently one of the fastest junglers in the new jungle (makes sense), but she's very unsafe, since she doesn't have defenses to compensate for the higher/more damage. So she might be one of those "fourth lane jungle" champions.
With the removal of indomitable mastery, life will be a bit more complicated for jungling and laning Shyvana. I was running all the reduced damage masteries + minions take 6 damage mastery to speed up clears even more on Shyvana. If you will still be able to get away without using a health pot on wraiths then cloth armor + pots may not be a necessity. It is going to depend on how many pots you can grab with the new jungling item.
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On November 15 2012 05:29 lilwisper wrote:
I wonder if they are trying to make a choice of the ranged AD's going into lower damage onhit shotgunny types or high damage crit=you die rifle types? Crits dont work with it, so getting IE+PD will be a waste, but getting BT should be awesome?
That's exactly the point. You're either doing less damage, but to 3 people at a time, or you're blowing up one person. Right now, you really only have the second option (outside of Tiamat huehue), but they want to allow diversification.
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Posted by a red on the official forums:
No, but there will be more accessible ways to reduce Flash's cooldown if you plan on using it often... (most likely aggressively if you're planning on it)
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On November 15 2012 05:31 NEOtheONE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 05:12 Requizen wrote:On November 15 2012 05:10 Celial wrote:On November 15 2012 05:02 TheSinisterRed wrote:
I'm curious how some of the junglers on pro teams are going to react to the changes for S3. If the gold does put them close to/even with lane farm and jungle starts to become a carry position some of the great 'support junglers' like OddOne could have a hard time adjusting. It would be great if both carry jungle and support jungle became viable and teams could start to really stand out in terms of playstyle, but I don't really see that happening. SV gonna be the best jungler in the world. Always Shyvana and farm, never not Shyvana and farm. Shy will be interesting. They said she's currently one of the fastest junglers in the new jungle (makes sense), but she's very unsafe, since she doesn't have defenses to compensate for the higher/more damage. So she might be one of those "fourth lane jungle" champions. With the removal of indomitable mastery, life will be a bit more complicated for jungling and laning Shyvana. I was running all the reduced damage masteries + minions take 6 damage mastery to speed up clears even more on Shyvana. If you will still be able to get away without using a health pot on wraiths then cloth armor + pots may not be a necessity. It is going to depend on how many pots you can grab with the new jungling item.
5 pots + Hunter Machete (it costs 300). So I think that'll be pretty standard on most farm junglers.
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