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On November 30 2012 22:11 OutlaW- wrote:
It's fine. Maxing shield is really strong in the laning phase, you can negate most of his Q damage while you force him to push the lane. You can then freeze and wait for your jungler to gank. Remember, taunt is pretty fucking OP for ganks. You can't beat him 1v1 I think but then again who can? Consider rushing 2 doran shields or sunfire cape.
on a similar note, how does shen perform against kayle? i played vs one last night and i didn't really know what to do. went boots 3 ->dshield -> wits + mercs but she was still blowing me up
i managed to outtrade her early by forcing her to take minion aggro and killed her at lv 3 or 4 but after that i couldn't do anything besides farm at tower and fall behind ~50cs
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On December 01 2012 02:15 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 01:42 TheYango wrote:On December 01 2012 00:53 onlywonderboy wrote:On November 30 2012 15:12 OutlaW- wrote:
he was only really strong in soloq because people were a bit stupid and didnt know how to deal with him. riot jumped the wagon as always and completely killed him (though thats more the result of people like kat doing his job 3x better) They lowered his AP ratios from 1 to .9, I would hardly say that's killing it, just reigning it in slightly As everyone has already said, AP Sion is all about his early game, .1 AP didn't make his late game that much stronger. You forgot about the nerfed stun duration. That was several months before the AP ratio nerfs according to the lol-patch history, from what I understand the AP ratio nerf and the release of better champs was the final nail in the coffin.
I wouldn't say mids got better. Though mid has seen the most change in diversity of champions, Galio, Ori, and Morg are still commonly played. Sion's just a pubstomper. In arranged plays you can just say "let's blow up Sion's shield when he shows up", and less people get caught out so kiting becomes a bigger issue. In arranged you can also say to your team "hey Sion's heading bot" and be fine with your stronger late game.
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Kayle's a tricky laner in general. A lot of times, I feel the only way to really keep her from messing you up is to bait out the QE combo, back off, and then try to abuse her while they're on CD. When they're not up, she does no damage, but be aware that they're both on a (relatively) short cooldown. Q is a big nuke that also increases her damage on you by 6/7/8/9/10%, so never ever fight her while it's active on you.
If she spams Q and W, she'll be oom sooner than later, so try to force her to use abilities and then re-engage when they're down and she has no mana. She also pushes really hard if she's trying to harass with E, so freeze the lane and take advantage of that.
Her biggest weakness (from what I hear from better Kayle players) is ganks. Because she has only an expensive, long cd, somewhat minimal sprint to rely on for escape, and she pushes if she's harassing (which is a lot), she's often very vulnerable. Yeah, you can't rely on competent junglers in solo queue, but it's something to keep in mind.
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It seems that Kayle always runs away with top lane whenever she's in my games, so I'll keep that in mind. I think I did a decent job of shielding the Q and kiting (well, running like a bitch) until E ran out and then taunting her in the middle of the creepwave to force trades. I also froze lane for a while but then she started roaming mid and jungle, at which point I couldn't push to the turret fast enough to punish her for it.
I'm not very good top with anyone besides Elise though, which is why the insight is very well received
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On December 01 2012 02:22 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 02:15 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 01 2012 01:42 TheYango wrote:On December 01 2012 00:53 onlywonderboy wrote:On November 30 2012 15:12 OutlaW- wrote:
he was only really strong in soloq because people were a bit stupid and didnt know how to deal with him. riot jumped the wagon as always and completely killed him (though thats more the result of people like kat doing his job 3x better) They lowered his AP ratios from 1 to .9, I would hardly say that's killing it, just reigning it in slightly As everyone has already said, AP Sion is all about his early game, .1 AP didn't make his late game that much stronger. You forgot about the nerfed stun duration. That was several months before the AP ratio nerfs according to the lol-patch history, from what I understand the AP ratio nerf and the release of better champs was the final nail in the coffin. I wouldn't say mids got better. Though mid has seen the most change in diversity of champions, Galio, Ori, and Morg are still commonly played. Sion's just a pubstomper. In arranged plays you can just say "let's blow up Sion's shield when he shows up", and less people get caught out so kiting becomes a bigger issue. In arranged you can also say to your team "hey Sion's heading bot" and be fine with your stronger late game.
Ori is pretty new in that she was just recently discovered how strong she is. Galio is never played. Morg is played more support now and that says a lot because she used to be really, really popular. Only jacky plays her mid now I think. The shift in mid champions has been huge. Kat, Ori, Diana, TF, Anivia, Gragas. Not even Ahri is that popular anymore (at least not in NA)
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Well, you can fight her when her E is active. It's minimal magic damage even if she's building AP (which she probably isn't), so if you close the gap on her you can fight her like anyone else. It's just the slow and damage amplification (which affects Ignite, funnily enough) that is really brutal for dueling. If it's down, a lot of champs can force and win trades with her, especially if you can drain her mana with that.
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Dam Phantoml0rd is pretty awful now. Guess that's what happens when you do Elo jobs and lessons for a year straight.
I mean his Karthus is still legit but he honestly could have attemped to learn other heroes and become a pro player s3. God knows he has the time for it. Though I guess he has the time for it because he made his stream extremely lucrative.
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you jelly? he said that he's looking to improve majorly coming into season 3 and that he wants to become a pro player again
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On December 01 2012 02:58 OutlaW- wrote:
you jelly? he said that he's looking to improve majorly coming into season 3 and that he wants to become a pro player again
See I feel like he's way too far behind at this point. I wish him luck but he's pretty bad now lol. I remember when I would watch him stomp jiji with Karthus a while back ;_;
oops wrong edit
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caomei and co. were playing soloq yesterday. was hilarious.
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On December 01 2012 02:19 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 22:11 OutlaW- wrote:
It's fine. Maxing shield is really strong in the laning phase, you can negate most of his Q damage while you force him to push the lane. You can then freeze and wait for your jungler to gank. Remember, taunt is pretty fucking OP for ganks. You can't beat him 1v1 I think but then again who can? Consider rushing 2 doran shields or sunfire cape. on a similar note, how does shen perform against kayle? i played vs one last night and i didn't really know what to do. went boots 3 ->dshield -> wits + mercs but she was still blowing me up i managed to outtrade her early by forcing her to take minion aggro and killed her at lv 3 or 4 but after that i couldn't do anything besides farm at tower and fall behind ~50cs
I'd need to see the replay. If you're taunting her I don't see how you should be losing trades. Shen's dash is really annoying since Kayle can't stick to you when it's up and she gets abused by ganks when you use it.
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On November 30 2012 05:40 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 05:25 Sandster wrote:On November 30 2012 05:18 PrinceXizor wrote:On November 30 2012 05:14 Pooshlmer wrote:
I'm saying that people are deluding themselves into thinking that, for example, Lustboy is godlike just because he practices SO much harder than all the other supports. ....? that IS why he's so good. because he works so hard at it? he didn't just decide to play LoL one day and win a tournament. all genetics does for LoL it set you at a different starting level. your individual skill cap isn't the limiting factor in LoL. I'd argue that genetics affects the *rate* as which you improve with practice. The best practice really really hard, and improves just a bit more than the really good people who practice really really hard. But the overall level of LoL play isn't so high that is a limiting factor yet. BW only really hit that point after like 7-8 years (at the point where you could say TBLS were dominating on the basis of their talent AND their practice). LoL isn't anywhere close to that yet.
The day we have anything comparable to TBLS is the day I'll have t find an easier game to feel good about 
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On December 01 2012 03:17 SoulSever wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 05:40 TheYango wrote:On November 30 2012 05:25 Sandster wrote:On November 30 2012 05:18 PrinceXizor wrote:On November 30 2012 05:14 Pooshlmer wrote:
I'm saying that people are deluding themselves into thinking that, for example, Lustboy is godlike just because he practices SO much harder than all the other supports. ....? that IS why he's so good. because he works so hard at it? he didn't just decide to play LoL one day and win a tournament. all genetics does for LoL it set you at a different starting level. your individual skill cap isn't the limiting factor in LoL. I'd argue that genetics affects the *rate* as which you improve with practice. The best practice really really hard, and improves just a bit more than the really good people who practice really really hard. But the overall level of LoL play isn't so high that is a limiting factor yet. BW only really hit that point after like 7-8 years (at the point where you could say TBLS were dominating on the basis of their talent AND their practice). LoL isn't anywhere close to that yet. The day we have anything comparable to TBLS is the day I'll have t find an easier game to feel good about
On March 10 2011 00:38 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 00:32 Krallin wrote:
Thanks a lot for that translation!
On a sidenote, could anyone tell me what TBLS means? TBLS = Taekbangleessang Taek = Bisu Bang = Stork Leessang = Jaedong/Flash On topic: Thanks for the translation. Pretty cool interview. Looking forward to more hive tech ZvZs.
We have Froggen.
And hotshot is a mini boxer?
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lol dont compare hotshot to boxer please
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On December 01 2012 02:46 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 02:22 obesechicken13 wrote:On December 01 2012 02:15 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 01 2012 01:42 TheYango wrote:On December 01 2012 00:53 onlywonderboy wrote:On November 30 2012 15:12 OutlaW- wrote:
he was only really strong in soloq because people were a bit stupid and didnt know how to deal with him. riot jumped the wagon as always and completely killed him (though thats more the result of people like kat doing his job 3x better) They lowered his AP ratios from 1 to .9, I would hardly say that's killing it, just reigning it in slightly As everyone has already said, AP Sion is all about his early game, .1 AP didn't make his late game that much stronger. You forgot about the nerfed stun duration. That was several months before the AP ratio nerfs according to the lol-patch history, from what I understand the AP ratio nerf and the release of better champs was the final nail in the coffin. I wouldn't say mids got better. Though mid has seen the most change in diversity of champions, Galio, Ori, and Morg are still commonly played. Sion's just a pubstomper. In arranged plays you can just say "let's blow up Sion's shield when he shows up", and less people get caught out so kiting becomes a bigger issue. In arranged you can also say to your team "hey Sion's heading bot" and be fine with your stronger late game. Ori is pretty new in that she was just recently discovered how strong she is.
Those were my early days of LoL but I think Ori was a very popular pick/ban during summer 2011, ie not long after her release. She disappeared for quite a while because she receiverd quite the nerfs.
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Ah, yes, well, she was OP at release, nerfed, never played again for a bunch of months.
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On December 01 2012 03:35 OutlaW- wrote:
lol dont compare hotshot to boxer please
dont even use them in the same sentence imo.
hotshots done nothing in comparison for league.
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On December 01 2012 03:35 OutlaW- wrote:
lol dont compare hotshot to boxer please
EVER EVER EVER EVER!!!
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On November 30 2012 23:15 sob3k wrote:
watching PL play Syndra just validates my impression of her
He's actually really good at her, its impressive, but he still can't get shit done, damage is piddly, effective range is poor.
The worst part about syndra is that even if you land a ton of shit in a teamfight (which is ungodly hard), your damage will probably be spread all over 3-5 people because you just have to hit whoever is safe, so you can't pick off an actual important target quickly (you will NEVER get into ult range of a squishy), which is basically the role of the AP.
She basically plays like an AP AD carry, except you have to land really difficult skillshots in place of every auto attack, and her damage peaks in midgame and then does nothing. Also she has no escapes.
In reality I would never ever play her in a serious game. You would achieve better results just running Corki or Ezreal mid. If you wanted utility you could build frozen mallet on them and still do more damage than she does, plus be a million times more consistent.
I think you mean running Karthus or Cassiopeia mid.
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How do I land a Malzahar Q. I can't land one for the life of me unless they stand still.
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