EPT[Patch 1.0.0.151: End of S2] General Discussion - Page 182
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On November 24 2012 11:54 onlywonderboy wrote: Don't know if any one watched the newest State of the League, but there was a lot of pro insight into the new items. I think it was Doublelift, but someone kept talking about how the new items are okay but there's no reason to buy them over your core build, it made me sad that NA teams have such an aversion to innovation. Honestly, I bet the innovative foreign teams build them new items and do all kind of crazy shit and wreck NA teams that refuse to adapt. I am fairly certain most feel that was going to happen rather or not the Asian teams use the new items. Doublelift is always had an aversion to trying new things, if I remember correctly he was the guy saying Graves was not that good. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 24 2012 11:58 Parnage wrote: I am fairly certain most feel that was going to happen rather or not the Asian teams use the new items. Doublelift is always had an aversion to trying new things, if I remember correctly he was the guy saying Graves was not that good. I remember that too. Honestly, if nothing else, the fact that Sightstone and Bottle compare so aggressively to wards and potions means that you'd be silly not to use them (e.g. at the point where you have 6 items and are selling a Doran's to buy wards, buying a Sightstone and selling it later is almost strictly better than buying regular wards because of how the Sightstone sell-back is priced out). | ||
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petered
United States1817 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On November 24 2012 10:30 WirelessWaffle wrote: What's your skill order in the jax vs fiora matchup? Also it's worth noting that once anyone buys a chain vest and ninja tabi vs fiora she's kind of useless, considering the cost of the items she'd need to overcome that amount of damage reduction. WEQ into W>E>Q. Fiora is going to be really happy with the item changes. BC, BotRK, Hydra...gimme. On the topic of NA pros and the new items: I'll weigh their opinion with a grain of salt when they play on the PBE extensively to try them out. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On November 24 2012 11:58 Parnage wrote: I am fairly certain most feel that was going to happen rather or not the Asian teams use the new items. Doublelift is always had an aversion to trying new things, if I remember correctly he was the guy saying Graves was not that good. Good point. Another thing that bothered me was most of the pros on the show kept saying things like "Why would you buy x instead of y" without acknowledging that there are situations where you would most certainly want to build x instead of y, just not all of the time. I guess it shouldn't come as a surprise, but the players seem to have such static builds in their heads, the idea of building items to suit certain situations seems completely foreign to them. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
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Idk. Innovation tends to be very suppressed in LoL. Is it perhaps that the Reddit model has taken over the way we view things? I dunno. | ||
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
how's ez vs corki? | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On November 24 2012 12:09 onlywonderboy wrote: Good point. Another thing that bothered me was most of the pros on the show kept saying things like "Why would you buy x instead of y" without acknowledging that there are situations where you would most certainly want to build x instead of y, just not all of the time. I guess it shouldn't come as a surprise, but the players seem to have such static builds in their heads, the idea of building items to suit certain situations seems completely foreign to them. This is why I like Guardsmen Bob's thoughts on how to build things. He's very much against static build x,y then z or you suck. While he may not be the best player ever, he does seem to understand that item builds are not so easily defined. That and he's the Mister Rodgers of League. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On November 24 2012 12:11 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: One thing with theorycrafting in LoL is that it is not conducted in as rigorous a manner as perhaps we are used to seeing in Starcraft. Admittedly, some of this may be due to the nature of a team game as opposed to solo play and therefore harder to set up circumstances where you can cookie-cutter test things. Furthermore, given the team nature of things it's harder to test abuse cases since everyone is approaching stuff with their own intentions and not co-ordinating as much (such as in solo queue). We saw Dignitas superheals as a combination of multiple things put together that became very powerful (pre-nerf Koggles, pre-nerf Lulu, pre-nerf Sorara, being new and other people not know how to respond, etc.). However this isn't something you can just go test normally and repeatedly... Idk. Innovation tends to be very suppressed in LoL. Is it perhaps that the Reddit model has taken over the way we view things? I dunno. I don't play Starcraft, but I've seen enough charts and graphs to know the amount of theorycrafting that goes into the game is mind boggling. I agree that theorycrafting a strong team like Dig did is really hard to do, but I think good players should know how to alter builds and situationally adapt to how a game is unfolding. I'd like if things weren't "I have enough gold, I should buy IE" but more "Well things are pretty even so I'm gonna buy IE, but if things were different maybe it would be better to build something else." I don't know if there is enough diversity in items in LoL for this to be possible, but it's what I would like. I would argue there are plenty of people on this forum that prove a high level of theorycrafting is possible for certain things (match-ups, builds, skill order). | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On November 24 2012 12:29 aRyuujin wrote: quick, in champ select ... how's ez vs corki? the more important question are the supports | ||
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Sermokala
United States14105 Posts
On November 24 2012 12:41 OutlaW- wrote: the more important question are the supports Yeah the lane phase is more about the supports you got then the adc you have. Corki will have 40% maybe more damage then ez in a stright up fight but ez can dance. 2 poke supports will benifit ez more but if one has a lock down then it heavily favors corki. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
What dignitas did was pick these champs play standard except for team fights. Timings for things needs to move forward into the game and start to be about 3 and 4 respawn on buffs. Ez vs Corki is either way depends on support i prefer being Corki early and mid game but EZ is EZ so it can go either way. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=31736475#31736475 YES PLEASE | ||
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GARO
United States2255 Posts
On November 24 2012 10:58 NeoIllusions wrote: http://www.own3d.tv/SaintVicious Crs.na's IPL5 lineup practicing some ranked 5s. Should be amusing. Navitar sighting | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On November 24 2012 12:52 OutlaW- wrote: HOLY SHIT http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=31736475#31736475 YES PLEASE Le sigh. I'm not sure even reindeer kog is worth whatever price someone would sell him for even if not buying him is my only LoL regret. Also the PBE isn't rigorous testing I know but I was really enjoying muramana + icebound gauntlet EZ the other night. I don't care what the pros think, I'm going to use S3 to build whatever the crap I want until people start complaining about the meta again. I'm pretty sure half the new support items are OP anyway (huehue heat seeking wraiths). | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
not sure if i should try to snatch my skins early when people dont realize how much people will actually be willing to pay for them (KITTY KAT KAT HOLY SHIT) or if I should wait for the demand to drop | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On November 24 2012 12:59 OutlaW- wrote: im gonna study economics for the event not sure if i should try to snatch my skins early when people dont realize how much people will actually be willing to pay for them (KITTY KAT KAT HOLY SHIT) or if I should wait for the demand to drop Scarra would pay SO MUCH RP for the chance to buy Kitty Cat Kat. | ||
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