EPT[Patch 1.0.0.151: End of S2] General Discussion - Page 116
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
http://clgaming.net/live/8935-fragforcharity http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382889 | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 19 2012 09:15 Simberto wrote: I think the part that makes toplane so snowbally is that minions become irrelevant pretty fast, meaning that if you are even slightly ahead, you can often zone the enemy completely if the lane ever pushes your way, because you can simply ignore minions an freeze lane. If the power of minions is increased, there is an area where you are so far ahead that you win an even fight, but not any fight. This does not really exist at the moment. I think they addressed this by removing the -4 combined damage from minions you could take from the def tree, and it would be interesting to see how much that alone changes things. If minions do non-neglectable damage, freezing lane or zoning the enemy becomes much harder. This actually goes hand in hand with what I was saying about top laner map mobility. Freezing the lane is supposed to be a tradeoff. You gain safety/zoning ability, but you lose the ability to control your lane opponent's map movements because you willingly allow the creep pressure to always be slightly toward your side, limiting your vision on the lane, and making it harder to push his tower if he chooses to leave. The problem is that the infrequency and typical ineffectiveness of top lane ganking other lanes means that this isn't actually a tradeoff--you freeze the lane and there's no downside because it's unlikely that your opponent will take advantage of this and leave to go gank your other lanes/jungle--and even if he does, it's unlikely he will be effective enough for it to be worth it. Top lane snowballs because it's isolated. Everyone's had that game where they were winning mid lane, but then the enemy mid laner ganks your bottom lane, gets a double kill, and puts himself completely back in the game while giving an advantage to his bot lane. This doesn't happen from top lane because top laners are more or less expected to just stay on lane--so if you are incapable of staying on lane, there's just nothing you can do. Again, it's a question of whether this is because the game encourages this, or because it's just how people choose to play now. | ||
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Ryalnos
United States1946 Posts
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Koenig99
Canada904 Posts
And wtf is this caster talking about......"AP Kha'zix mid, support Tristana and AD Blitz" smh | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 19 2012 09:52 Numy wrote: I think part of the problem with top lane exerting map presence is that it's so easy to have vision on any top lane gangs so they have to kind of go from base. If vision was a resource instead of a given maybe it would be a bit easier for them to impact the map Unfortunately, the addition of Sightstone is going to make vision even less of a resource and even more of a given. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On November 19 2012 09:28 beefhamburger wrote: CLG NA vs EU charity showmatch starting http://clgaming.net/live/8935-fragforcharity http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382889 Froggen is just... Holy shit xD | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
can anyone enlighten me? I can't even figure out a reasonable combo, her skills feel all over the place. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
Locodoco steals dragon with tristana ulti, hahahahaha wow. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On November 19 2012 07:59 TheSinisterRed wrote: You just needed to believe in the heart of the cards, as far as I remember. All you did was go to, recent tournament results, pick one of the top 8 decks and copy it if i recall. win all kinds of tournaments by getting luckier draws than your opponent | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
WHAT DL cancels Darius ult with knock up for the save and Darius's goes on CD. | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
On November 19 2012 09:55 wei2coolman wrote: mancloud needs to change his name to beastcloud, cuz he's beasting it in this series. Xsmithie's jangle Olaf was pretty fantastic, too - great ambushes on Mao, and later on the game near the enemy blue where he hung around on 10% HP for a few minutes hiding behind walls and sniping kills with Undertow like some sort of bargain-bin Xerath. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Is this LoL? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 19 2012 10:11 Haasts wrote: Xsmithie's jangle Olaf was pretty fantastic, too - great ambushes on Mao, and later on the game near the enemy blue where he hung around on 10% HP for a few minutes hiding behind walls and sniping kills with Undertow like some sort of bargain-bin Xerath. Hahahahaha, that quote's awesome. Xsmithie can be very on and off, sometimes very strong, but sometimes underwhelming. I think today it was just a complete mismatch from Fear, each lane pretty much beat quantic. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On November 19 2012 10:02 barbsq wrote: i don't understand how spiderbitch works in the slightest. can anyone enlighten me? I can't even figure out a reasonable combo, her skills feel all over the place. Q W R W Q is the basic one, throw a human E in there before or after initial human burst, and a spider E if you need to catch up to hit spider W Q | ||
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