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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
October 19 2012 13:12 GMT
#961
Grats Neo :D

On October 19 2012 19:38 ChaoSbringer wrote:
Icon reminds me of an Archon TBH

I definitely see it too. Sweet icon though.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
craaaaack
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
479 Posts
October 19 2012 13:15 GMT
#962
AD Janna

3x disengage, free movespeed with passive/W passive, free BF sword+shield, always slow never die
discuss
▲ I was really thirsty while playing a match. All my teammates were gone, so I drank from the water bottle that was next to me. It was very good. I thank the owner of the bottle.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-19 13:19:28
October 19 2012 13:19 GMT
#963
On October 19 2012 21:55 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 17:19 BlackPaladin wrote:
On October 19 2012 16:16 Sufficiency wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=30382219#30382219

I think Morello has a good point.


Does Morello also work for the US Congress because he sounds an awful lot like those morons in office. Dfg was more of a niche item and then morello and his balance clowns are like "hurdur lets buff it really hard for no reason at all so more people use it!" and now look. Like wtf? Do they have no real idea what a HUNDRED range on a spell adds? It means it works in so many more kits, especially by removing the mana regen and changing the recipe so it can work on any AP.... -.-

He's calling it toxic when they're the ones who buffed it for NO reason. That would be like buffing brutalizer by 10 armor pen for no cost just cause not enough champs in the game build bruta >_> cause you know, it doesn't have a niche or anything *rolls eyes*

Just put it back to what it used to be, and if you really want to, make the base 20% + 5% per 100 AP. that way it's weaker earlygame but come midgame to lategame when people get MR it will still do similar damage to the old version. Then bam, low range nuke for nukers lategame so they don't fall off as hard vs bruisers/mr stack. You know, like what the item was supposed to be for. >_>


The funny thing is that one of the items they added to TT is a nuke for AD casters which also heals and scales with a 1.0 AD ratio.



Wat, the AD caster item has no such active:

[image loading]

The item with an active is like a lifestealing MBR and pretty clearly more for ranged AD, and its 50% of ad and 150 damage, which is basically insignificant damage. The point of the skill being almost entirely the 30% speed steal.

[image loading]

Also even if it was a 1.0 ad nuke with 150 base damage that would be completely insignificant amount of damage by the time you get the item, especially compared to DFG. A 1.0 ad scaling ratio is pretty crap without high base damage, its just a single auto.Kha zixes Q has up to 280% AD ratio and 280 base damage on a 3 second CD.

This active is on a 60 second CD, so its damage it basically completely negligible.



Like, Morello just came out and basically said "I hate items that add to burst damage and cause balance issues" and then someone on Riot goes ahead and adds one...
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
October 19 2012 13:22 GMT
#964
Now that I think about it, could Janna actually be a potential AD? Not one you'd pick all the time, but she seems incredibly safe and doesn't seem like she has a bad laning phase. The shield gives a ton of AD so that's always great. New utility AD in the makes. I'm guessing her base stats kind of make her not the best choice for an AD though.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-19 13:29:03
October 19 2012 13:24 GMT
#965
On October 19 2012 22:15 craaaaack wrote:
AD Janna

3x disengage, free movespeed with passive/W passive, free BF sword+shield, always slow never die
discuss


475 range, terrible nonscaling steroid, not a single AD ratio, awful stats


475 range

teemo outranges you, you have no laning
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-19 13:26:35
October 19 2012 13:25 GMT
#966
On October 19 2012 22:19 sob3k wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On October 19 2012 21:55 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 17:19 BlackPaladin wrote:
On October 19 2012 16:16 Sufficiency wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=30382219#30382219

I think Morello has a good point.


Does Morello also work for the US Congress because he sounds an awful lot like those morons in office. Dfg was more of a niche item and then morello and his balance clowns are like "hurdur lets buff it really hard for no reason at all so more people use it!" and now look. Like wtf? Do they have no real idea what a HUNDRED range on a spell adds? It means it works in so many more kits, especially by removing the mana regen and changing the recipe so it can work on any AP.... -.-

He's calling it toxic when they're the ones who buffed it for NO reason. That would be like buffing brutalizer by 10 armor pen for no cost just cause not enough champs in the game build bruta >_> cause you know, it doesn't have a niche or anything *rolls eyes*

Just put it back to what it used to be, and if you really want to, make the base 20% + 5% per 100 AP. that way it's weaker earlygame but come midgame to lategame when people get MR it will still do similar damage to the old version. Then bam, low range nuke for nukers lategame so they don't fall off as hard vs bruisers/mr stack. You know, like what the item was supposed to be for. >_>


The funny thing is that one of the items they added to TT is a nuke for AD casters which also heals and scales with a 1.0 AD ratio.



Wat, the AD caster item has no such active:

[image loading]

The item with an active is like a lifestealing MBR and pretty clearly more for ranged AD, and its 50% of ad and 150 damage, which is basically insignificant damage. The point of the skill being almost entirely the 30% speed steal.

[image loading]

Also even if it was a 1.0 ad nuke with 150 base damage that would be completely insignificant amount of damage by the time you get the item, especially compared to DFG. A 1.0 ad scaling ratio is pretty crap without high base damage, its just a single auto.Kha zixes Q has up to 280% AD ratio and 280 base damage on a 3 second CD.

This active is on a 60 second CD, so its damage it basically completely negligible.



Like, Morello just came out and basically said "I hate items that add to burst damage and cause balance issues" and then someone on Riot goes ahead and adds one...

Edit: I'm dumb.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 19 2012 13:25 GMT
#967
On October 19 2012 22:24 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 22:15 craaaaack wrote:
AD Janna

3x disengage, free movespeed with passive/W passive, free BF sword+shield, always slow never die
discuss


475 range, terrible nonscaling steroid, not a single AD ratio, awful stats



475 range, incredibly safe yo.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
October 19 2012 13:28 GMT
#968
On October 19 2012 22:19 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 21:55 phyvo wrote:
On October 19 2012 17:19 BlackPaladin wrote:
On October 19 2012 16:16 Sufficiency wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=30382219#30382219

I think Morello has a good point.


Does Morello also work for the US Congress because he sounds an awful lot like those morons in office. Dfg was more of a niche item and then morello and his balance clowns are like "hurdur lets buff it really hard for no reason at all so more people use it!" and now look. Like wtf? Do they have no real idea what a HUNDRED range on a spell adds? It means it works in so many more kits, especially by removing the mana regen and changing the recipe so it can work on any AP.... -.-

He's calling it toxic when they're the ones who buffed it for NO reason. That would be like buffing brutalizer by 10 armor pen for no cost just cause not enough champs in the game build bruta >_> cause you know, it doesn't have a niche or anything *rolls eyes*

Just put it back to what it used to be, and if you really want to, make the base 20% + 5% per 100 AP. that way it's weaker earlygame but come midgame to lategame when people get MR it will still do similar damage to the old version. Then bam, low range nuke for nukers lategame so they don't fall off as hard vs bruisers/mr stack. You know, like what the item was supposed to be for. >_>


The funny thing is that one of the items they added to TT is a nuke for AD casters which also heals and scales with a 1.0 AD ratio.



Wat, the AD caster item has no such active:

[image loading]

The item with an active is like a lifestealing MBR and pretty clearly more for ranged AD, and its 50% of ad and 150 damage, which is basically insignificant damage. The point of the skill being almost entirely the 30% speed steal.

[image loading]

Also even if it was a 1.0 ad nuke with 150 base damage that would be completely insignificant amount of damage by the time you get the item, especially compared to DFG. A 1.0 ad scaling ratio is pretty crap without high base damage, its just a single auto.Kha zixes Q has up to 280% AD ratio and 280 base damage on a 3 second CD.

This active is on a 60 second CD, so its damage it basically completely negligible.



Like, Morello just came out and basically said "I hate items that add to burst damage and cause balance issues" and then someone on Riot goes ahead and adds one...


I was wondering who would get the nuke item. Then I noticed the other stats it gives. Which AD wouldn't get that item? I can see Vayne rushing that, the quick ms burst looks really nice+life gain, and the passive looks freaking ridiculous. I guess it's okay since you're just sitting on cutlass for a while. Still, the item looks pretty freaking strong.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
October 19 2012 13:31 GMT
#969
On October 19 2012 22:28 Dark_Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 22:19 sob3k wrote:
On October 19 2012 21:55 phyvo wrote:
On October 19 2012 17:19 BlackPaladin wrote:
On October 19 2012 16:16 Sufficiency wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=30382219#30382219

I think Morello has a good point.


Does Morello also work for the US Congress because he sounds an awful lot like those morons in office. Dfg was more of a niche item and then morello and his balance clowns are like "hurdur lets buff it really hard for no reason at all so more people use it!" and now look. Like wtf? Do they have no real idea what a HUNDRED range on a spell adds? It means it works in so many more kits, especially by removing the mana regen and changing the recipe so it can work on any AP.... -.-

He's calling it toxic when they're the ones who buffed it for NO reason. That would be like buffing brutalizer by 10 armor pen for no cost just cause not enough champs in the game build bruta >_> cause you know, it doesn't have a niche or anything *rolls eyes*

Just put it back to what it used to be, and if you really want to, make the base 20% + 5% per 100 AP. that way it's weaker earlygame but come midgame to lategame when people get MR it will still do similar damage to the old version. Then bam, low range nuke for nukers lategame so they don't fall off as hard vs bruisers/mr stack. You know, like what the item was supposed to be for. >_>


The funny thing is that one of the items they added to TT is a nuke for AD casters which also heals and scales with a 1.0 AD ratio.



Wat, the AD caster item has no such active:

[image loading]

The item with an active is like a lifestealing MBR and pretty clearly more for ranged AD, and its 50% of ad and 150 damage, which is basically insignificant damage. The point of the skill being almost entirely the 30% speed steal.

[image loading]

Also even if it was a 1.0 ad nuke with 150 base damage that would be completely insignificant amount of damage by the time you get the item, especially compared to DFG. A 1.0 ad scaling ratio is pretty crap without high base damage, its just a single auto.Kha zixes Q has up to 280% AD ratio and 280 base damage on a 3 second CD.

This active is on a 60 second CD, so its damage it basically completely negligible.



Like, Morello just came out and basically said "I hate items that add to burst damage and cause balance issues" and then someone on Riot goes ahead and adds one...


I was wondering who would get the nuke item. Then I noticed the other stats it gives. Which AD wouldn't get that item? I can see Vayne rushing that, the quick ms burst looks really nice+life gain, and the passive looks freaking ridiculous. I guess it's okay since you're just sitting on cutlass for a while. Still, the item looks pretty freaking strong.


its supposed to be really strong, its a 3v3 item and ranged AD need all the help they can get on that map
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 19 2012 13:37 GMT
#970
On October 19 2012 22:31 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 22:28 Dark_Chill wrote:
On October 19 2012 22:19 sob3k wrote:
On October 19 2012 21:55 phyvo wrote:
On October 19 2012 17:19 BlackPaladin wrote:
On October 19 2012 16:16 Sufficiency wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=30382219#30382219

I think Morello has a good point.


Does Morello also work for the US Congress because he sounds an awful lot like those morons in office. Dfg was more of a niche item and then morello and his balance clowns are like "hurdur lets buff it really hard for no reason at all so more people use it!" and now look. Like wtf? Do they have no real idea what a HUNDRED range on a spell adds? It means it works in so many more kits, especially by removing the mana regen and changing the recipe so it can work on any AP.... -.-

He's calling it toxic when they're the ones who buffed it for NO reason. That would be like buffing brutalizer by 10 armor pen for no cost just cause not enough champs in the game build bruta >_> cause you know, it doesn't have a niche or anything *rolls eyes*

Just put it back to what it used to be, and if you really want to, make the base 20% + 5% per 100 AP. that way it's weaker earlygame but come midgame to lategame when people get MR it will still do similar damage to the old version. Then bam, low range nuke for nukers lategame so they don't fall off as hard vs bruisers/mr stack. You know, like what the item was supposed to be for. >_>


The funny thing is that one of the items they added to TT is a nuke for AD casters which also heals and scales with a 1.0 AD ratio.



Wat, the AD caster item has no such active:

[image loading]

The item with an active is like a lifestealing MBR and pretty clearly more for ranged AD, and its 50% of ad and 150 damage, which is basically insignificant damage. The point of the skill being almost entirely the 30% speed steal.

[image loading]

Also even if it was a 1.0 ad nuke with 150 base damage that would be completely insignificant amount of damage by the time you get the item, especially compared to DFG. A 1.0 ad scaling ratio is pretty crap without high base damage, its just a single auto.Kha zixes Q has up to 280% AD ratio and 280 base damage on a 3 second CD.

This active is on a 60 second CD, so its damage it basically completely negligible.



Like, Morello just came out and basically said "I hate items that add to burst damage and cause balance issues" and then someone on Riot goes ahead and adds one...


I was wondering who would get the nuke item. Then I noticed the other stats it gives. Which AD wouldn't get that item? I can see Vayne rushing that, the quick ms burst looks really nice+life gain, and the passive looks freaking ridiculous. I guess it's okay since you're just sitting on cutlass for a while. Still, the item looks pretty freaking strong.


its supposed to be really strong, its a 3v3 item and ranged AD need all the help they can get on that map

Ezreal was already really strong in old 3v3.
Now I can play him WITH this item. ggyo
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
October 19 2012 13:39 GMT
#971
On October 19 2012 22:25 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 22:24 sob3k wrote:
On October 19 2012 22:15 craaaaack wrote:
AD Janna

3x disengage, free movespeed with passive/W passive, free BF sword+shield, always slow never die
discuss


475 range, terrible nonscaling steroid, not a single AD ratio, awful stats



475 range, incredibly safe yo.


But she has a shield, yo!

I'm a bit disappointed that the ward skins are going to be only temporary
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13956 Posts
October 19 2012 13:42 GMT
#972
you can buy a near infinite amount of ward skins and then use them for the next couple years showing off your swag to all the other idiots that didn't buy enough ward skins when they had the chance.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
October 19 2012 13:48 GMT
#973
I'm pretty sure it says that you can stock up to one year worth of skins >_> Fuck that lol.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
October 19 2012 13:53 GMT
#974
On October 19 2012 22:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 22:31 sob3k wrote:
On October 19 2012 22:28 Dark_Chill wrote:
On October 19 2012 22:19 sob3k wrote:
On October 19 2012 21:55 phyvo wrote:
On October 19 2012 17:19 BlackPaladin wrote:
On October 19 2012 16:16 Sufficiency wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=30382219#30382219

I think Morello has a good point.


Does Morello also work for the US Congress because he sounds an awful lot like those morons in office. Dfg was more of a niche item and then morello and his balance clowns are like "hurdur lets buff it really hard for no reason at all so more people use it!" and now look. Like wtf? Do they have no real idea what a HUNDRED range on a spell adds? It means it works in so many more kits, especially by removing the mana regen and changing the recipe so it can work on any AP.... -.-

He's calling it toxic when they're the ones who buffed it for NO reason. That would be like buffing brutalizer by 10 armor pen for no cost just cause not enough champs in the game build bruta >_> cause you know, it doesn't have a niche or anything *rolls eyes*

Just put it back to what it used to be, and if you really want to, make the base 20% + 5% per 100 AP. that way it's weaker earlygame but come midgame to lategame when people get MR it will still do similar damage to the old version. Then bam, low range nuke for nukers lategame so they don't fall off as hard vs bruisers/mr stack. You know, like what the item was supposed to be for. >_>


The funny thing is that one of the items they added to TT is a nuke for AD casters which also heals and scales with a 1.0 AD ratio.



Wat, the AD caster item has no such active:

[image loading]

The item with an active is like a lifestealing MBR and pretty clearly more for ranged AD, and its 50% of ad and 150 damage, which is basically insignificant damage. The point of the skill being almost entirely the 30% speed steal.

[image loading]

Also even if it was a 1.0 ad nuke with 150 base damage that would be completely insignificant amount of damage by the time you get the item, especially compared to DFG. A 1.0 ad scaling ratio is pretty crap without high base damage, its just a single auto.Kha zixes Q has up to 280% AD ratio and 280 base damage on a 3 second CD.

This active is on a 60 second CD, so its damage it basically completely negligible.



Like, Morello just came out and basically said "I hate items that add to burst damage and cause balance issues" and then someone on Riot goes ahead and adds one...


I was wondering who would get the nuke item. Then I noticed the other stats it gives. Which AD wouldn't get that item? I can see Vayne rushing that, the quick ms burst looks really nice+life gain, and the passive looks freaking ridiculous. I guess it's okay since you're just sitting on cutlass for a while. Still, the item looks pretty freaking strong.


its supposed to be really strong, its a 3v3 item and ranged AD need all the help they can get on that map

Ezreal was already really strong in old 3v3.
Now I can play him WITH this item. ggyo


Back in internal testing of new TT reds said that AD carries were unstoppable and they had to make adjustments.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 19 2012 13:53 GMT
#975
On October 19 2012 22:48 Nikon wrote:
I'm pretty sure it says that you can stock up to one year worth of skins >_> Fuck that lol.


Waiting on a Reddit thread talking about a certain skin having a slight advantage to others. Then I shall buy it and my ward skin will be 100% reason we won.
Hey! How you doin'?
craaaaack
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
479 Posts
October 19 2012 13:54 GMT
#976
On October 19 2012 22:39 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 22:25 JackDino wrote:
On October 19 2012 22:24 sob3k wrote:
On October 19 2012 22:15 craaaaack wrote:
AD Janna

3x disengage, free movespeed with passive/W passive, free BF sword+shield, always slow never die
discuss


475 range, terrible nonscaling steroid, not a single AD ratio, awful stats



475 range, incredibly safe yo.


But she has a shield, yo!

I'm a bit disappointed that the ward skins are going to be only temporary


I'm trying it out right now. It's awful. 26 minutes in, just go my IE.
▲ I was really thirsty while playing a match. All my teammates were gone, so I drank from the water bottle that was next to me. It was very good. I thank the owner of the bottle.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 19 2012 13:55 GMT
#977
Wards skins best idea ever, maybe people will be liek OMG THIS SKIN SO CUTE and then they buy the skin and they will actually buy wards and look at it all day long and have like the best map awareness ever.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
October 19 2012 13:59 GMT
#978
Are any of those PBE items meant for SR?

Or are they all TT/Dominion?
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
October 19 2012 13:59 GMT
#979
On October 19 2012 22:48 Nikon wrote:
I'm pretty sure it says that you can stock up to one year worth of skins >_> Fuck that lol.

Have you guys seen the backlash on reddit / official forums about this? It would have been better if they actually limited you to buying 2-3 weeks so it feels more like they only want a limited time trial instead of looking like they are doing an insane money grab a la Nexon.
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
October 19 2012 14:00 GMT
#980
On October 19 2012 06:08 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 05:59 NpG)Explosive wrote:
On October 19 2012 05:48 jacosajh wrote:
Watching Chaox play Singed at 1200 ELO with a few tips from Dyrus is very humbling.

From chat:

Nunu: Is this Singed pro or something? He is carrying us
Volibear: Yeah he is from a really high ranked team; his team was in the champion chip


Lolol


Singed (Chaox): Can someone get an oracle?
a bit later
Nunu: got one
Nunu: where do you want it?
drops pink ward in wrong spot

Placement games are scary


elo hell doesnt exist they said



Chaox: we need wards
Kassadin: got one
Chaox: one huh? like the item is so rare

It's very interesting to see how different games like this are even played out. At one point he was talking about how fed he was but they would still probably lose teamfights. Because him being fed also meant his team was underfed. I want today's show but have to drive out of town -_-
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