EPT[Patch 1.0.0.149: TF Update] General Discussion - Page 153
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On October 25 2012 02:11 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: but kat's Q outranges annie's. I've played the matchup from both sides and it seems Annie has to play pretty careful. she'll lose an attrition battle for sure. it's only dangerous to Q annie when her stun is up because you'll often get caught in the cast animation, letting annie close distance on that extra 50 range. anytime her stun isn't up, kat can harass her quite effectively. lvls 1-5 especially, before annie gets her first blue, are punishing. you won't have enough mana to combo at 6 if you've been trying to trade harass with kat's Q the problem is that kat Q does barely any damage until you detonate the mark, annie also has a retardedly abusable auto attack range and can literally force kat out of lane just by auto'ing her every time she goes in for cs mana shouldn't be an issue if you are playing it right and using the stun up to zone effectively instead of trade | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On October 25 2012 02:03 TheLink wrote: I think it's important not to go overboard "countering" people like Kat. You end up pairing off your lane and then Kat is sick in teamfights later whereas people like Akali/Fiddle/Galio not so much. I really think you either need serious kill potential (kassadin/diana/ahri) or at least be able to keep up late-game. Like I had a GP today who insisted on mid to counter their first pick kassadin. Sure he denied kass some farm but then we ended up with a GP and no AP carry... kat is terrible in teamfights compared to the champions you mentioned. galio and fiddle add a ton of utility and both aoe ults are less situational. akali is a stronger single target assassin and has a much easyer time to focus the right targets. the only champions i see kat doing well vs are heavy skillshot reliant squishy carries without escapes/interrupt who also deal less damage than kat. Nothing comes to mind. then she also falls off lategame harder than most ap carries. The only way a kat player wins a lane is significantly asymetric jungle presence and just flat out playing better. that doesn't sound like she needs to be countered in lane. I just don't get why anyone would see kat as a problem please clarify. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
Thr Annie counter is vastly overrated. Mainly cus Kat fotm so lots if bad Kats imo | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
Galio sounds like a good counter to Kat though. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
man times have changed with the kat remake. | ||
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Lunek
Poland164 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On October 25 2012 03:07 clickrush wrote: guys are you serious? kat is fotm? I don't get it she does everything worse than other ap carries/assassins. is that an NA only phenomenon? Pretty sure it isn't, Kat IS very strong in several situations, she is a great middle and she has also been successfully used as a 1v2 lane surprisingly enough. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On October 25 2012 03:07 clickrush wrote: guys are you serious? kat is fotm? I don't get it she does everything worse than other ap carries/assassins. is that an NA only phenomenon? Nope, there's a reason Azubu Frost, Blaze and most other proteams were picking/banning Kat in the last IPL tournament. (this was 2 days ago). The main reason Kat's being used right now is because kills and ASSISTS are giving her resets. Her lane phase is one of the strongest right now, and much like eve she has strong roam. With DFG+combo she can 100-0 most mids/squishies. Then in team-fights, she just has to wait a little bit for the aoe stuns to go off, combo in for a kill (or assist), then as people start dying she can just combo instantly on to anyone still alive. It only takes 2 kills or assist (+3 seconds) for her ult to reset, which is quite ridiculous. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11425 Posts
On October 25 2012 03:08 Scip wrote: Pretty sure it isn't, Kat IS very strong in several situations, she is a great middle and she has also been successfully used as a 1v2 lane surprisingly enough. I see a lot of Kat atm, and i am on EUW. I'd say she is present in about a quarter of the games i play in. I'd guess factors for this are that she is pretty hard to gank, if she wins lane, she wins hard, she can roam pretty good and the more chaotic a teamfight is, the better for her. Plus she gets quadras pretty often because of her cleanup capabilities. Also, she does not seem to have a lot of very bad matchups amongst the commonly picked aps. | ||
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HolyToss1911
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http://www.twitch.tv/ipllol | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
she has like no true counters mid, only people who can not lose hard and go even and hope to contribute more in roaming/teamfights/lategame | ||
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