On September 30 2012 15:37 udgnim wrote:
are there any champions similar to Anivia? Morgana is kind of similar except for no wall, but I like playing her too.

Anivia is so fun to play. feels like I contribute so much to the team (assuming early game didn't go horribly wrong for bot or top lane) once the first line of towers are down and it becomes more about team fights and pushing creep waves.

can control space with ult and/or wall and be able to initiate/pick off players with a Q stun.

also, first time I played against an Alistair in 37 Blind Pick Normal games. got a good taste of why he's always banned in pro games.

at what point should I start considering playing Draft mode games?

at the level of competition I play against, standard meta comps other than wanting a tank to be able to initiate/soak damage don't really apply since all that really matters is don't be stupid and constantly die in early game then don't be stupid during team fights and get caught out of position or trying to solo everything

if the above 2 things happen, we're probably close to even with the other team then quality of team comp probably comes into play

Play karthus, when you die you turn into an Anivia ult.

For reals though actually Viktor has some similar elements, instant waveclear, ultra long poke, big space control that can completely block a whole jungle path etc (although its almost always defensive/counterinitiate), Shorter range low CD nuke, and massive AOE sustained damage ult.

BlackPaladin

United States9316 Posts

September 30 2012 07:15 GMT

#983

Trundle doesn't have a toggable aoe ability along with his pillar. Pillar also is a lot more situational. You can't block off half the map with trundles pillar, but you can with aniva's wall. Mao's ult is mainly used for damage reduc utility, not insane damage/wave clear/zone control/kiting like anivias is used for. Ziggs is similar with zone control, but anivias waveclear is definitely unique as is her strength due to her wall. Heck, clgeu often are able to drag out a losing game for 30+ more minutes just because of how strong of a waveclear anivia has.

TheKefka

Croatia11752 Posts

September 30 2012 07:19 GMT

#984

Yea anivias waveclear while the creeps are still in a line(even at early lvls) is rivaled only by victor tbh.

JackDino

Gabon6219 Posts

September 30 2012 07:28 GMT

#985

On September 30 2012 16:19 TheKefka wrote:
Yea anivias waveclear while the creeps are still in a line(even at early lvls) is rivaled only by victor tbh.

Hello? The house always wins.

BlackPaladin

United States9316 Posts

September 30 2012 07:30 GMT

#986

Unless you forgot to stack the deck like T_D.

Sufficiency

Canada23833 Posts

September 30 2012 07:35 GMT

#987

On September 30 2012 16:28 JackDino wrote:

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Hello? The house always wins.

You can't realistically clear the melee minions with his Q though. Typically a red card is also needed and his auto range is only 525.

TheKefka

Croatia11752 Posts

September 30 2012 07:48 GMT

#988

On September 30 2012 16:28 JackDino wrote:

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Hello? The house always wins.

ah yea,forgot about TF^^

On September 30 2012 16:35 Sufficiency wrote:

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You can't realistically clear the melee minions with his Q though. Typically a red card is also needed and his auto range is only 525.

naa at higher lvls and a bit of ap he clears instantly pretty much.As far as I got the discussion is who is the best defensive mid that can hold a tower down with his wave clear.TF can certainly do that at that stage of the game.

Navi

5286 Posts

September 30 2012 08:13 GMT

#989

HEIMERDINGERRRRR

JackDino

Gabon6219 Posts

September 30 2012 08:20 GMT

#990

On September 30 2012 17:13 Navi wrote:
HEIMERDINGERRRRR

Heimer can't clear waves without turrets. 70% of the mid laners enjoy the free gold from his turrets. Sad times.

Navi

5286 Posts

September 30 2012 08:25 GMT

#991

at tower there are very few mid laners i would be more afraid of diving on than heimer
more of a response to kefka's defensive mid laner quip

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

September 30 2012 08:32 GMT

#992

Grenade and Rockets are also 2 of the best counter-diving skills in the game.

TheKefka

Croatia11752 Posts

September 30 2012 08:37 GMT

#993

I was thinking more in line of who can prevent damage being dealt to the tower by just clearing the wave before it arrives beneath it.
Heimer is pretty good at fucking up divers but he can't prevent people from chunking down the tower little by little in the same way as anivia,viktor and TF.
Against those you either have to split push or commit to a dive in most cases.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

September 30 2012 09:05 GMT

#994

Everyone forgot that Sion was once a champion played in mid lane l0l

Amui

Canada10567 Posts

September 30 2012 09:13 GMT

#995

On September 30 2012 18:05 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Everyone forgot that Sion was once a champion played in mid lane l0l

He's not particularly good at stopping sieges though. Amazing pushing power/roaming in solos, but against a full team there's better champs at waveclear and damage.

Wetty

Australia419 Posts

September 30 2012 09:40 GMT

#996

So theres a bug going around at the moment that wont let you reconnect to games - Just had a ranked 5v5 game where I needed to restart my client due to some lag, and wasnt able to reconnect to the game at all, resulting in a loss (Whilst being able to start a second game whilst the first is still in progress)

Just thought you should all be aware, dont DC!

h3r1n6

Iceland2039 Posts

September 30 2012 09:46 GMT

#997

Well Anivia not only clears the wave, but makes it almost impossible to initiate into while doing so with wall and r. Viktor can do it similarly with W too, TF can at most use a red/yellow card, but if he is in range for that it might be too late.

The best AP at instantly just clearing every wave and stalling is Lux though. Needs level 16 and cdr, but from that point on you can just clear every wave with one laser.

Leonite7

Ireland921 Posts

September 30 2012 12:31 GMT

#998

Would huehuekaiser work? He has good waveclear, gets tanky from his w and passive and his ulti can even the fight out.

JackDino

Gabon6219 Posts

September 30 2012 12:33 GMT

#999

On September 30 2012 21:31 Leonite7 wrote:
Would huehuekaiser work? He has good waveclear, gets tanky from his w and passive and his ulti can even the fight out.

Nah, needs to hit minions before he gets shield, will take too much damage before he can E the minions.