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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 30 2012 07:01 GMT
#981
On September 30 2012 15:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 15:43 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 30 2012 15:39 Dusty wrote:
On September 30 2012 15:37 udgnim wrote:
are there any champions similar to Anivia? Morgana is kind of similar except for no wall, but I like playing her too.

Anivia is so fun to play. feels like I contribute so much to the team (assuming early game didn't go horribly wrong for bot or top lane) once the first line of towers are down and it becomes more about team fights and pushing creep waves.

can control space with ult and/or wall and be able to initiate/pick off players with a Q stun.


Syndra is a weak version of Anivia, if that counts. Ziggs also has a large amount of AoE and zone control and poke.


Syndra is not like Anivia at all. Syndar is a mix of Cassiopeia and Orianna.

Anivia is one of a kind; she has the only toggle AOE spell and the only ranged obstacle spell in the game on the same champion.

Trundle and Maokai would like to have a word with you.


Trundle fine, but Maokai's R does something really different, with completely different cooldown.
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 07:18:09
September 30 2012 07:11 GMT
#982
On September 30 2012 15:37 udgnim wrote:
are there any champions similar to Anivia? Morgana is kind of similar except for no wall, but I like playing her too.

Anivia is so fun to play. feels like I contribute so much to the team (assuming early game didn't go horribly wrong for bot or top lane) once the first line of towers are down and it becomes more about team fights and pushing creep waves.

can control space with ult and/or wall and be able to initiate/pick off players with a Q stun.

also, first time I played against an Alistair in 37 Blind Pick Normal games. got a good taste of why he's always banned in pro games.

at what point should I start considering playing Draft mode games?

at the level of competition I play against, standard meta comps other than wanting a tank to be able to initiate/soak damage don't really apply since all that really matters is don't be stupid and constantly die in early game then don't be stupid during team fights and get caught out of position or trying to solo everything

if the above 2 things happen, we're probably close to even with the other team then quality of team comp probably comes into play


Play karthus, when you die you turn into an Anivia ult.

For reals though actually Viktor has some similar elements, instant waveclear, ultra long poke, big space control that can completely block a whole jungle path etc (although its almost always defensive/counterinitiate), Shorter range low CD nuke, and massive AOE sustained damage ult.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
September 30 2012 07:15 GMT
#983
Trundle doesn't have a toggable aoe ability along with his pillar. Pillar also is a lot more situational. You can't block off half the map with trundles pillar, but you can with aniva's wall. Mao's ult is mainly used for damage reduc utility, not insane damage/wave clear/zone control/kiting like anivias is used for. Ziggs is similar with zone control, but anivias waveclear is definitely unique as is her strength due to her wall. Heck, clgeu often are able to drag out a losing game for 30+ more minutes just because of how strong of a waveclear anivia has.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
September 30 2012 07:19 GMT
#984
Yea anivias waveclear while the creeps are still in a line(even at early lvls) is rivaled only by victor tbh.
Cackle™
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
September 30 2012 07:28 GMT
#985
On September 30 2012 16:19 TheKefka wrote:
Yea anivias waveclear while the creeps are still in a line(even at early lvls) is rivaled only by victor tbh.

Hello? The house always wins.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
September 30 2012 07:30 GMT
#986
Unless you forgot to stack the deck like T_D.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 30 2012 07:35 GMT
#987
On September 30 2012 16:28 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 16:19 TheKefka wrote:
Yea anivias waveclear while the creeps are still in a line(even at early lvls) is rivaled only by victor tbh.

Hello? The house always wins.


You can't realistically clear the melee minions with his Q though. Typically a red card is also needed and his auto range is only 525.
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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 07:50:58
September 30 2012 07:48 GMT
#988
On September 30 2012 16:28 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 16:19 TheKefka wrote:
Yea anivias waveclear while the creeps are still in a line(even at early lvls) is rivaled only by victor tbh.

Hello? The house always wins.

ah yea,forgot about TF^^
On September 30 2012 16:35 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 16:28 JackDino wrote:
On September 30 2012 16:19 TheKefka wrote:
Yea anivias waveclear while the creeps are still in a line(even at early lvls) is rivaled only by victor tbh.

Hello? The house always wins.


You can't realistically clear the melee minions with his Q though. Typically a red card is also needed and his auto range is only 525.

naa at higher lvls and a bit of ap he clears instantly pretty much.As far as I got the discussion is who is the best defensive mid that can hold a tower down with his wave clear.TF can certainly do that at that stage of the game.
Cackle™
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
September 30 2012 08:13 GMT
#989
HEIMERDINGERRRRR
Hey! Listen!
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
September 30 2012 08:20 GMT
#990
On September 30 2012 17:13 Navi wrote:
HEIMERDINGERRRRR

Heimer can't clear waves without turrets. 70% of the mid laners enjoy the free gold from his turrets. Sad times.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
September 30 2012 08:25 GMT
#991
at tower there are very few mid laners i would be more afraid of diving on than heimer
more of a response to kefka's defensive mid laner quip
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 30 2012 08:32 GMT
#992
Grenade and Rockets are also 2 of the best counter-diving skills in the game.
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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 08:37:59
September 30 2012 08:37 GMT
#993
I was thinking more in line of who can prevent damage being dealt to the tower by just clearing the wave before it arrives beneath it.
Heimer is pretty good at fucking up divers but he can't prevent people from chunking down the tower little by little in the same way as anivia,viktor and TF.
Against those you either have to split push or commit to a dive in most cases.
Cackle™
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 30 2012 09:05 GMT
#994
Everyone forgot that Sion was once a champion played in mid lane l0l
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
September 30 2012 09:13 GMT
#995
On September 30 2012 18:05 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Everyone forgot that Sion was once a champion played in mid lane l0l


He's not particularly good at stopping sieges though. Amazing pushing power/roaming in solos, but against a full team there's better champs at waveclear and damage.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Wetty
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia419 Posts
September 30 2012 09:40 GMT
#996
So theres a bug going around at the moment that wont let you reconnect to games - Just had a ranked 5v5 game where I needed to restart my client due to some lag, and wasnt able to reconnect to the game at all, resulting in a loss (Whilst being able to start a second game whilst the first is still in progress)

Just thought you should all be aware, dont DC!
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-30 09:46:41
September 30 2012 09:46 GMT
#997
Well Anivia not only clears the wave, but makes it almost impossible to initiate into while doing so with wall and r. Viktor can do it similarly with W too, TF can at most use a red/yellow card, but if he is in range for that it might be too late.

The best AP at instantly just clearing every wave and stalling is Lux though. Needs level 16 and cdr, but from that point on you can just clear every wave with one laser.
Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
September 30 2012 12:31 GMT
#998
Would huehuekaiser work? He has good waveclear, gets tanky from his w and passive and his ulti can even the fight out.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
September 30 2012 12:33 GMT
#999
On September 30 2012 21:31 Leonite7 wrote:
Would huehuekaiser work? He has good waveclear, gets tanky from his w and passive and his ulti can even the fight out.

Nah, needs to hit minions before he gets shield, will take too much damage before he can E the minions.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
September 30 2012 13:23 GMT
#1000
Syndra also has top tier clearing, but the original question wasn't even about that lol.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
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