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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 10 2012 01:58 GMT
#2781
On October 10 2012 10:53 Dgiese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 10:48 MooMooMugi wrote:
Anyone else think DFG needs a nerf? Kinda ridic how a 60 sec cd item can do half your health instantly

I know it's beyond stupid with eve.


You mean it's beyond stupid with Eve, Diana, Gragas, Annie, Ahri, Kassadin, LeBlanc, Mordekaiser, and Katarina.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 10 2012 02:06 GMT
#2782
With pre-nerf DFG I did around 2k damage on some FoN double warmogs Shen, as Swain with torment on and around 500 AP. Maybe I should have sold boots for void staff.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 10 2012 02:16 GMT
#2783
everyone needs to play more arranged 5s, a team full of solo queue players no matter what elo is always going to be garbage compared to a team with 5s experience.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 02:18:11
October 10 2012 02:18 GMT
#2784
DFG is just a typical case of Riot underestimating the effects of a range buff/nerf. Nothing else about the item was made definitively better, but 650->750 range is an enormous change that makes the active way smoother to use in all circumstances.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
October 10 2012 02:19 GMT
#2785
On October 10 2012 11:16 zulu_nation8 wrote:
everyone needs to play more arranged 5s, a team full of solo queue players no matter what elo is always going to be garbage compared to a team with 5s experience.


i agree
this is what i have been saying for literally years
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
October 10 2012 02:22 GMT
#2786
On October 10 2012 11:06 Alaric wrote:
With pre-nerf DFG I did around 2k damage on some FoN double warmogs Shen, as Swain with torment on and around 500 AP. Maybe I should have sold boots for void staff.

Yeah. Let's assume you have enough magic penetration from boots and guise and runes that you can deal true damage to a squishy. Just DFG and a % health damage spell(which riot seems to really love now) like eve's ult is enough to murder. At a certain amount of AP it becomes possible to one shot people with no mr.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 10 2012 02:23 GMT
#2787
On October 10 2012 10:54 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 09:16 ticklishmusic wrote:
On October 10 2012 07:18 Ryalnos wrote:
Er, it seems like it'd be much better to choose a teamfight summoner (heal/exhaust) than smite... Most barons tend to come off a won teamfight anyway.

The marginal security from a second smite on your team seems like a laughable reason to take it.


I think that the extra smite in bot lane can be very valuable in securing dragon though. Seeing how passive most games are these days, that dragon gold can be pretty important. (plus, an extra 10 gp (plus minion) every minute is kind of significant to a support).

But srsly, the only support I'd ever take smite on is Blitz. It synergizes with him so well.


How often does dragon actually come down to a mid fight smite-off...like never, especially as people get better and learn to recognize when they can take and contest dragon, and when they need to gtfo.


I often see people trying to sneak a dragon when the enemy jungler is top...
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
October 10 2012 02:25 GMT
#2788
Not everyone is lucky enough to have 5 friends they can consistenly play with.
Banishment
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany102 Posts
October 10 2012 02:29 GMT
#2789
And even if you do, chances are they are soo freaking awful at the game and youre better off playing with randoms anyways ^.^
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
October 10 2012 02:29 GMT
#2790
On October 10 2012 11:25 samthesaluki wrote:
Not everyone is lucky enough to have 5 friends they can consistenly play with.

do you not make friends playing? ive made plenty playing
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 10 2012 02:32 GMT
#2791
On October 10 2012 11:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 10:54 sob3k wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:16 ticklishmusic wrote:
On October 10 2012 07:18 Ryalnos wrote:
Er, it seems like it'd be much better to choose a teamfight summoner (heal/exhaust) than smite... Most barons tend to come off a won teamfight anyway.

The marginal security from a second smite on your team seems like a laughable reason to take it.


I think that the extra smite in bot lane can be very valuable in securing dragon though. Seeing how passive most games are these days, that dragon gold can be pretty important. (plus, an extra 10 gp (plus minion) every minute is kind of significant to a support).

But srsly, the only support I'd ever take smite on is Blitz. It synergizes with him so well.


How often does dragon actually come down to a mid fight smite-off...like never, especially as people get better and learn to recognize when they can take and contest dragon, and when they need to gtfo.


I often see people trying to sneak a dragon when the enemy jungler is top...

That doesn't necessarily mean you can contest it though. The jungler being top often means it's an uneven fight, and they can just turn and kill you if you try to smite it.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 10 2012 02:33 GMT
#2792
On October 10 2012 11:22 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 11:06 Alaric wrote:
With pre-nerf DFG I did around 2k damage on some FoN double warmogs Shen, as Swain with torment on and around 500 AP. Maybe I should have sold boots for void staff.

Yeah. Let's assume you have enough magic penetration from boots and guise and runes that you can deal true damage to a squishy. Just DFG and a % health damage spell(which riot seems to really love now) like eve's ult is enough to murder. At a certain amount of AP it becomes possible to one shot people with no mr.

I know, I just prefer jungling Eve to playing her mid.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
October 10 2012 02:37 GMT
#2793
On October 10 2012 11:29 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 11:25 samthesaluki wrote:
Not everyone is lucky enough to have 5 friends they can consistenly play with.

do you not make friends playing? ive made plenty playing

Making friends on lol, and making friends on lol that you would be able to put together an organized 5's team with, are not the same thing.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
October 10 2012 02:44 GMT
#2794
If I made a 5's team with 4 of my friends in LoL and froggen, they'd be 900 elo at max.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 02:51:55
October 10 2012 02:51 GMT
#2795
On October 10 2012 11:44 BlackPaladin wrote:
If I made a 5's team with 4 of my friends in LoL and froggen, they'd be 900 elo at max.

"This Anivia... too heavy! KS a lot just look at his build. Report!"
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
ViZe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1513 Posts
October 10 2012 02:52 GMT
#2796
On October 10 2012 11:25 samthesaluki wrote:
Not everyone is lucky enough to have 5 friends they can consistenly play with.


Hey man you only need 4, life ain't that bad :/

I think the only time someone other than the jungler should be taking smite is when you're having fun in normals.

For example:
pick teemo, smite and some other summoner
run to enemy blue, stand still
smite steal
run away

Or perhaps the classic bankplank 4gp10 money masteries and runes and smite mastery (TF also has to be on your team)

Or everyone takes smite and someone plays nunu and then do dragon at level 2

Or pick vs heimerdinger and watch him be sad

SO MANY OPTIONS

Also I recently played a blitzcrank game where we went to invade and i go for a grab on heimerdinger...it's gonna hit ezpz...then he puts down a turret and my hand just like hits it and then flops onto the ground looking all depressed and slithers sadly back to me. Invade failed. Heimerdinger is so tempting to grab but apparently turrets are good vs blitz lol
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
October 10 2012 02:55 GMT
#2797
I'm pretty lucky to have 5 friends who play at a decent level relative to me.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 10 2012 02:56 GMT
#2798
The hard part of making a 5s team isn't necessarily finding four other guys but finding four other guys who can evenly fill roles.

Not many people want to pick one role and stick to it. And you don't even have to do that in arranged 5s but when you have three guys who all want to play jungle or top and are inexperienced in the other roles it makes it really difficult to take arranged 5s seriously.

I dunno, I'd like to play arranged 5s and just dedicate myself to one role (probably mid or AD carry) with other people who just dedicate themselves to one role. The issue is that my group of friends all play pretty much the same two roles (jungle/top) making the open roles really lacking if one of them plays it.
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 02:57:36
October 10 2012 02:57 GMT
#2799
On October 10 2012 11:52 ViZe wrote:
pick teemo, smite and some other summoner
run to enemy blue, stand still
smite steal
run away


I tried to do this for like five straight games, somehow the other team always sees it coming when you run TP/smite teemo.
:3
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
October 10 2012 03:37 GMT
#2800
On October 10 2012 11:56 overt wrote:
The hard part of making a 5s team isn't necessarily finding four other guys but finding four other guys who can evenly fill roles.

Not many people want to pick one role and stick to it. And you don't even have to do that in arranged 5s but when you have three guys who all want to play jungle or top and are inexperienced in the other roles it makes it really difficult to take arranged 5s seriously.

I dunno, I'd like to play arranged 5s and just dedicate myself to one role (probably mid or AD carry) with other people who just dedicate themselves to one role. The issue is that my group of friends all play pretty much the same two roles (jungle/top) making the open roles really lacking if one of them plays it.

Not to mention the hardest part, finding the time to have games. Schedules and shit be complex yo
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