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cpomz
Profile Joined February 2011
United States76 Posts
October 07 2012 23:50 GMT
#2401
Hi, I have a question, I just picked up shy and I have a question about runing for her
I am currently running
8 Attack Speed reds
1 AD red
9 Armor
9 Mr/level
2 AD quints
1 AS quint

What runes will let me clear the fastest?
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
October 07 2012 23:53 GMT
#2402
9 AS reds
3 AS reds
No point in having 5.4 Flat AD over 25% AS, build wits end do tons of dmg
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 07 2012 23:54 GMT
#2403
I do AD reds + lifesteal quints
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-07 23:59:32
October 07 2012 23:54 GMT
#2404
no, both of those are wrong

we've done the math time and time again

the BEST POSSIBLE runepage for shyvana is AD/AD/defense/defense
so either AD/AD/armor/mr
or AD/AD/armor/armor
BEST POSSIBLE

e1: actually, i didn't fully read the question. for strictly clearing, AS might be better. but for actual gameplay including ganks, counterjungling, playing with teammates, expecting a leash etc etc, AD is hands down better in every situation

e2:
AS might be better
but i doubt it
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12002 Posts
October 08 2012 00:00 GMT
#2405
I'd probably take MS quints, because ZOOOOOM.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
October 08 2012 00:07 GMT
#2406
I like building Ionic Spark on Shyvana then split pushing with impunity
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14210 Posts
October 08 2012 00:08 GMT
#2407
yeah thats something I've been wondering myself. wouldn't it be universally better to get attack speed runes instead of flat ad or armor pen runes?

If I got flat ad I get 15 ad which is a long sword and a half which is 600gold. while 40% as in game is a recuve bow and is worth 1050g.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-08 00:39:02
October 08 2012 00:35 GMT
#2408
AS is not universally better because if two people trade 1 auto or 1 AD scaling skill then the person with more AD wins the trad. AS runes also don't necessarily mean you'll be doing more DPS as gold value =/= DPS value especially on different champions who might have flat damage boosts (e.g kog) or AS boosts (graves/ez)
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
October 08 2012 00:40 GMT
#2409
AS is only MAYBE better on shyvana because all her skills scale with it in some way. Reset Q cooldown, uptime W faster ult more E proc damage etc.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-08 01:21:28
October 08 2012 01:19 GMT
#2410
no, AS is not better

i'll just let monte explain or try to find his post explaining why

but AD is the best stat you can rune for on shyv


also, mah boys versus navitar on stream http://www.own3d.tv/RFLegendary/live/198363 i think we are denying navi's team diamond huehuehue wow no i couldn't have been more wrong
but BATTLE OF DIAMONDS RANKED 5S either way
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
October 08 2012 01:32 GMT
#2411
Lets talk about rammus. Im sad hes not to viable, I just played him in a TL Inhouse. Had loads of fun. Standard 2 Gp 10s Aegis Tank, Anyone got any builds or situations when he can be viable
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
October 08 2012 01:40 GMT
#2412
Rammus build: Rush Shurelya, Tabi/Mercs, Sunfire, Frozen Heart, Randiuns, Abyssal for tons of damage!
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
October 08 2012 01:44 GMT
#2413
Why aren't there more cool skills that scale on interesting stats, like a skill that scales on AS or Crit chance or spellvamp or CDR or MP/HP5?

makes itemization so much more interesting.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
October 08 2012 01:48 GMT
#2414
On October 08 2012 10:44 sob3k wrote:
Why aren't there more cool skills that scale on interesting stats, like a skill that scales on AS or Crit chance or spellvamp or CDR or MP/HP5?

makes itemization so much more interesting.

It's probably a balance issue. Tryndamere gets a bit of crit chance for free. 35%. Other than ashe I think he's the only one to get crit chance for free and people always whine about him three shotting them.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
October 08 2012 01:49 GMT
#2415
On October 08 2012 10:44 sob3k wrote:like a skill that scales on...CDR


You mean like every ability in the game?

... I don't think you need to be adding any extra benefits to CDR. It's already one of the best things to get.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-08 01:52:14
October 08 2012 01:50 GMT
#2416
On another note, Khazix is fucking good, the jump is obscene. I just love him, you can pick fights with anyone and if it doesn't work out you just jump away perfectly safe. I can try a bunch of crazy brave shit I would never normally do without any real risk.

In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
October 08 2012 01:51 GMT
#2417
On October 08 2012 10:44 sob3k wrote:
Why aren't there more cool skills that scale on interesting stats, like a skill that scales on AS or Crit chance or spellvamp or CDR or MP/HP5?

makes itemization so much more interesting.


A lot of things scale very well with AS/crit chance/CDR already.

Spellvamp scaling is kinda toxic because if you do more damage because of spellvamp, then you spellvamp more...etc.

Dunno how you'd go about implementing something that scales off MP5/HP5 though.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
October 08 2012 01:51 GMT
#2418
On October 08 2012 10:44 sob3k wrote:
Why aren't there more cool skills that scale on interesting stats, like a skill that scales on AS or Crit chance or spellvamp or CDR or MP/HP5?

makes itemization so much more interesting.

There are already mechanics on champions that encourage building some of these stats, such as AS, crit and CDR. Of course, a spell that directly scaled on CDR would be a terrible idea, and crit and lifesteal/spellvamp are dominant enough that there's no need to encourage them further. I would be interested to see how a hp/5 scaling ability might work out though. Seems like a fairly unique idea.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
October 08 2012 01:53 GMT
#2419
Poppys passive makes it so building regen on her is pretty nioce
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 08 2012 01:54 GMT
#2420
On a CDR-scaling spell, the other thing about it is that because CDR is capped, it's inherently uninteresting. You get CDR cap, and then the spell's scaling effectively ends. The "scaling" component of that doesn't create gameplay.
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