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On September 24 2012 01:04 Juddas wrote:
So guys, I have some news for you, but I want you to keep it on the down low because I don't want Riot to hear about it. The new Kat is ridiculously strong. Like OP. She actually has absolutely no counters anymore. I think the only champ that I think could give her some trouble would be Galio, and I haven't tried that one yet, but I still imagine it would be close or a skill matchup that relies a lot on jungle presence.
On champion select, I've faced all her counters and absolutely dominated them. I don't think I was particularly better than my opponent, there is just not much that they can do. Kat has free harrass, can shove lane incredibly hard, go get kills in other lanes, and if they try to trade, she can all in them during their cooldowns and shut them down...
I'd be interested to see her vs Viktor honestly. Trading with him can be a bad idea sometimes. He also hard counters her ult with the lawl silence from his ult.
I tried playing vs one the other day as Kennen, and my god she hurts. Barely 1v1'd her at times.
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the secret tl op for mid is viktor silly. his e has a secret ability to be randomly invisible his w makes all repositioners cry and his q is great for acepting the brawlers initial alpha. His play style in team fights is to randomly roam between the tank line and the ad carry and kill anyone who decides that diving might be a good idea. He then kills everyone who has the poor misfortune to think this.
I mean his ult does 1k of damage BEFORE his 2.25 ap ratio including a 1.75ap ratio + 700 base AOE combo. His theory crafting pros are astronomical.
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I wonder if tl will link the s2 championships or not. they have lol streams when its ipl or iem on the sidebar but I don't think I've ever seen it there other then a long long time ago.
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On September 24 2012 01:04 Juddas wrote:
So guys, I have some news for you, but I want you to keep it on the down low because I don't want Riot to hear about it. The new Kat is ridiculously strong. Like OP. She actually has absolutely no counters anymore. I think the only champ that I think could give her some trouble would be Galio, and I haven't tried that one yet, but I still imagine it would be close or a skill matchup that relies a lot on jungle presence.
On champion select, I've faced all her counters and absolutely dominated them. I don't think I was particularly better than my opponent, there is just not much that they can do. Kat has free harrass, can shove lane incredibly hard, go get kills in other lanes, and if they try to trade, she can all in them during their cooldowns and shut them down...
she loses hard to swain/vlad/annie and anyone else that can either out sustain her really hard or can start zoning her from an early level
orianna also rocks you just by auto attacking the shit out of you
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On September 24 2012 01:19 Vlanitak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2012 00:17 Promises wrote:
Seeing Ocelote play last game makes me wonder is Eve anything of a sort of viable mid these days? Havent really seen her in that role. Ssong (Mid player for Najin Sword) played it against Azubu Blaze with great success, from that match I concluded that you need to roam alot and use the 2 people bot lane as a food. Enemy jungler ganking bot lane? Eve there to kill. Your jungler ganking bot lane? Eve there to kill. The VOD should be up on ognlol.com I believe Top might be a bit harder as you are usually the same level as a bruiser up there, so not as bursty as bot lane. But could still be doable.
In testing we found that top is not worth ganking. Bot lane should be easy, free, constant kills and gold especially since you bypass wards easily. Setting their AD Carry super behind also ruins their teamfight damage which is even better.
On September 24 2012 01:04 Juddas wrote:
So guys, I have some news for you, but I want you to keep it on the down low because I don't want Riot to hear about it. The new Kat is ridiculously strong. Like OP. She actually has absolutely no counters anymore. I think the only champ that I think could give her some trouble would be Galio, and I haven't tried that one yet, but I still imagine it would be close or a skill matchup that relies a lot on jungle presence.
Remember when her remake came out and people said she was ruined? Hehehe
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On September 24 2012 01:04 Juddas wrote:
So guys, I have some news for you, but I want you to keep it on the down low because I don't want Riot to hear about it. The new Kat is ridiculously strong. Like OP. She actually has absolutely no counters anymore. I think the only champ that I think could give her some trouble would be Galio, and I haven't tried that one yet, but I still imagine it would be close or a skill matchup that relies a lot on jungle presence.
On champion select, I've faced all her counters and absolutely dominated them. I don't think I was particularly better than my opponent, there is just not much that they can do. Kat has free harrass, can shove lane incredibly hard, go get kills in other lanes, and if they try to trade, she can all in them during their cooldowns and shut them down...
malz can do well against kat. malz is insanely underrated atm.
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On September 24 2012 02:00 Vaporized wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2012 01:04 Juddas wrote:
So guys, I have some news for you, but I want you to keep it on the down low because I don't want Riot to hear about it. The new Kat is ridiculously strong. Like OP. She actually has absolutely no counters anymore. I think the only champ that I think could give her some trouble would be Galio, and I haven't tried that one yet, but I still imagine it would be close or a skill matchup that relies a lot on jungle presence.
On champion select, I've faced all her counters and absolutely dominated them. I don't think I was particularly better than my opponent, there is just not much that they can do. Kat has free harrass, can shove lane incredibly hard, go get kills in other lanes, and if they try to trade, she can all in them during their cooldowns and shut them down...
malz can do well against kat. malz is insanely underrated atm.
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diana loses 1-6 vs kat but absolutely destroys her in teamfights and in 1v1s after esp with blue
lots of standard APs can bully the heck out of katarina with autoattacks pre 6
kassadin can hold his own in lane and does well in fights vs her, but her overall damage output is noticably higher if kassadin does not get big E's / interrupt kat's ult in time. worthy counterpick but need to be aware of ur weaknesses and her strengths rather than just vice versa
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On September 24 2012 02:03 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2012 02:00 Vaporized wrote:On September 24 2012 01:04 Juddas wrote:
So guys, I have some news for you, but I want you to keep it on the down low because I don't want Riot to hear about it. The new Kat is ridiculously strong. Like OP. She actually has absolutely no counters anymore. I think the only champ that I think could give her some trouble would be Galio, and I haven't tried that one yet, but I still imagine it would be close or a skill matchup that relies a lot on jungle presence.
On champion select, I've faced all her counters and absolutely dominated them. I don't think I was particularly better than my opponent, there is just not much that they can do. Kat has free harrass, can shove lane incredibly hard, go get kills in other lanes, and if they try to trade, she can all in them during their cooldowns and shut them down...
malz can do well against kat. malz is insanely underrated atm. BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
eventually someone will pick malz up again.
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On September 24 2012 01:36 Cloud9157 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2012 01:04 Juddas wrote:
So guys, I have some news for you, but I want you to keep it on the down low because I don't want Riot to hear about it. The new Kat is ridiculously strong. Like OP. She actually has absolutely no counters anymore. I think the only champ that I think could give her some trouble would be Galio, and I haven't tried that one yet, but I still imagine it would be close or a skill matchup that relies a lot on jungle presence.
On champion select, I've faced all her counters and absolutely dominated them. I don't think I was particularly better than my opponent, there is just not much that they can do. Kat has free harrass, can shove lane incredibly hard, go get kills in other lanes, and if they try to trade, she can all in them during their cooldowns and shut them down...
I'd be interested to see her vs Viktor honestly. Trading with him can be a bad idea sometimes. He also hard counters her ult with the lawl silence from his ult. I tried playing vs one the other day as Kennen, and my god she hurts. Barely 1v1'd her at times.
Viktor used to be absolute hard counter to her. I've only played against her a couple times since fix, and theoretically he should still trash her, but it seems a bit harder now (since W is so strong).
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On September 24 2012 02:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2012 01:36 Cloud9157 wrote:On September 24 2012 01:04 Juddas wrote:
So guys, I have some news for you, but I want you to keep it on the down low because I don't want Riot to hear about it. The new Kat is ridiculously strong. Like OP. She actually has absolutely no counters anymore. I think the only champ that I think could give her some trouble would be Galio, and I haven't tried that one yet, but I still imagine it would be close or a skill matchup that relies a lot on jungle presence.
On champion select, I've faced all her counters and absolutely dominated them. I don't think I was particularly better than my opponent, there is just not much that they can do. Kat has free harrass, can shove lane incredibly hard, go get kills in other lanes, and if they try to trade, she can all in them during their cooldowns and shut them down...
I'd be interested to see her vs Viktor honestly. Trading with him can be a bad idea sometimes. He also hard counters her ult with the lawl silence from his ult. I tried playing vs one the other day as Kennen, and my god she hurts. Barely 1v1'd her at times. Viktor used to be absolute hard counter to her. I've only played against her a couple times since fix, and theoretically he should still trash her, but it seems a bit harder now (since W is so strong).
Out of interest, does Viktor dominate Ryze? I feel like he should, the Viktors I get to play against are bad though.
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On September 24 2012 02:30 h3r1n6 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2012 02:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 24 2012 01:36 Cloud9157 wrote:On September 24 2012 01:04 Juddas wrote:
So guys, I have some news for you, but I want you to keep it on the down low because I don't want Riot to hear about it. The new Kat is ridiculously strong. Like OP. She actually has absolutely no counters anymore. I think the only champ that I think could give her some trouble would be Galio, and I haven't tried that one yet, but I still imagine it would be close or a skill matchup that relies a lot on jungle presence.
On champion select, I've faced all her counters and absolutely dominated them. I don't think I was particularly better than my opponent, there is just not much that they can do. Kat has free harrass, can shove lane incredibly hard, go get kills in other lanes, and if they try to trade, she can all in them during their cooldowns and shut them down...
I'd be interested to see her vs Viktor honestly. Trading with him can be a bad idea sometimes. He also hard counters her ult with the lawl silence from his ult. I tried playing vs one the other day as Kennen, and my god she hurts. Barely 1v1'd her at times. Viktor used to be absolute hard counter to her. I've only played against her a couple times since fix, and theoretically he should still trash her, but it seems a bit harder now (since W is so strong). Out of interest, does Viktor dominate Ryze? I feel like he should, the Viktors I get to play against are bad though.
Before Ryze got AP ratios back, I would say yes 100%.
Now Ryze's Q really hurts though, even early, so you have to be careful. However, once you get a few levels and closer to mid game (where your power is really ramping up and he's still weak), then yes, you should destroy him. Either by straight brute force, or just by pushing him into tower constantly and pressuring the rest of the map.
Biggest thing you have to worry about is early jungle pressure since Ryze is so good at assisting ganks.
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i know this might be simple and sound stupid but is there anyway to like smartcast items like potions do but like wards etc?
p.s i know 123456 but they come up with the guides for wards dfg etc.
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On September 24 2012 02:36 samthesaluki wrote:
i know this might be simple and osund stupid but is there anyway to like smartcast items like potions do but like wards etc?
options, keybinds lets you smartcast spells, summoners, and items.
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On September 24 2012 02:36 samthesaluki wrote:
i know this might be simple and sound stupid but is there anyway to like smartcast items like potions do but like wards etc?
p.s i know 123456 but they come up with the guides for wards dfg etc.
They actually changed the item smartcast binds to shift+1-4 or whatever. I remember because I wanted to laugh in lane and all of sudden I dropped 2 wards.
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United States2968 Posts
On September 24 2012 02:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2012 02:30 h3r1n6 wrote:On September 24 2012 02:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 24 2012 01:36 Cloud9157 wrote:On September 24 2012 01:04 Juddas wrote:
So guys, I have some news for you, but I want you to keep it on the down low because I don't want Riot to hear about it. The new Kat is ridiculously strong. Like OP. She actually has absolutely no counters anymore. I think the only champ that I think could give her some trouble would be Galio, and I haven't tried that one yet, but I still imagine it would be close or a skill matchup that relies a lot on jungle presence.
On champion select, I've faced all her counters and absolutely dominated them. I don't think I was particularly better than my opponent, there is just not much that they can do. Kat has free harrass, can shove lane incredibly hard, go get kills in other lanes, and if they try to trade, she can all in them during their cooldowns and shut them down...
I'd be interested to see her vs Viktor honestly. Trading with him can be a bad idea sometimes. He also hard counters her ult with the lawl silence from his ult. I tried playing vs one the other day as Kennen, and my god she hurts. Barely 1v1'd her at times. Viktor used to be absolute hard counter to her. I've only played against her a couple times since fix, and theoretically he should still trash her, but it seems a bit harder now (since W is so strong). Out of interest, does Viktor dominate Ryze? I feel like he should, the Viktors I get to play against are bad though. Before Ryze got AP ratios back, I would say yes 100%. Now Ryze's Q really hurts though, even early, so you have to be careful. However, once you get a few levels and closer to mid game (where your power is really ramping up and he's still weak), then yes, you should destroy him. Either by straight brute force, or just by pushing him into tower constantly and pressuring the rest of the map. Biggest thing you have to worry about is early jungle pressure since Ryze is so good at assisting ganks.
I've always felt you destroy him before he gets cata/tear. Viktor q is so cost efficient for trading, you can just go at him with it at lvl 1 and autos.
If you're still really afraid of him for whatever reason, you can just max e+death augment and shove the lane on him. Viktor es #1 pusher.
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HAHA fucking Hotshot just had Baron stolen right out from under him because he thought the could Noxian Guillotine Baron.
I don't understand how there are things about champions and the game that even the pros who play 24/7 don't know.
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On September 24 2012 02:41 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2012 02:36 samthesaluki wrote:
i know this might be simple and sound stupid but is there anyway to like smartcast items like potions do but like wards etc?
p.s i know 123456 but they come up with the guides for wards dfg etc. They actually changed the item smartcast binds to shift+1-4 or whatever. I remember because I wanted to laugh in lane and all of sudden I dropped 2 wards.
Well that's one way to laugh.
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On September 24 2012 02:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
HAHA fucking Hotshot just had Baron stolen right out from under him because he thought the could Noxian Guillotine Baron.
I don't understand how there are things about champions and the game that even the pros who play 24/7 don't know.
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Everytime someone says "...that even the pros don't know" it's a reference to hotshot lol.
Hotshot's a donk when it comes to LoL he hasn't been world class for over a year it feels like.
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I remember when hotshot ranted about that envy8 corki guy wrong itemisation by going a non triforce build ( bt pd lw) for 20minutes earlier this week which wasnt even the reason they lost, hotshot then proceeds to go Amumu with HoG, no Philostone into Force of Nature first item 3 games later.
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