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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On September 20 2012 13:18 Chexx wrote: I think it is already implented on the korean server. Its called mannered players and they get a reward if they are chosen. Time to be sincere arb and be nice to everyone. also make sure to use plenty of cute faces like c: and :3 | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 20 2012 13:15 thenexusp wrote: They kept eve at a power level that wouldn't scare new players away from league, simple as that. Unfortunately due to how long-term stealth works that means she was unviable for everyone above summoner level 20. There were plenty of unforgiving champs below level 20. I was leveling up from 1-30 during the time of eve dominance, and they nerfed her like a week into me turning level 30. Yeah, I ate shit against a lot of eves during that time, but guess what I ate a lot of shit from annies, trynds, and gangplanks during this time too. Wanna know why? Cuz I sucked back then, and didn't know wards = good. It just irks me that Riot feels the need to do a shit ton of buffs and nerfs on every champion, EXCEPT Eve. It's like they were like "oh well fuck that, we'll just say we'll remake stealth, excuse for us not to touch that bitch". | ||
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ViZe
United States1513 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 20 2012 13:24 wei2coolman wrote: There were plenty of unforgiving champs below level 20. I was leveling up from 1-30 during the time of eve dominance, and they nerfed her like a week into me turning level 30. Yeah, I ate shit against a lot of eves during that time, but guess what I ate a lot of shit from annies, trynds, and gangplanks during this time too. Wanna know why? Cuz I sucked back then, and didn't know wards = good. It just irks me that Riot feels the need to do a shit ton of buffs and nerfs on every champion, EXCEPT Eve. It's like they were like "oh well fuck that, we'll just say we'll remake stealth, excuse for us not to touch that bitch". Its more than Pre 20. Its that stealth champs can never even be CLOSE to balanced at all ELOs. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On September 20 2012 12:39 wei2coolman wrote: The problem isn't whether or they could. They simply didn't try. Essentially they removed eve stun, and then left her that way for an entire year, they didn't even bother trying to change a single stat on her during that entire year. Seriously they patch every week or 2 weeks, that's like 20-30 chances they had to just change some base numbers or something. But NOPE. JUST WAIT FOR INVIS REMAKE GUIZ. http://lol-patch.com/evelynn.html Seriously, 1 fucking year, of nothing. THEN REMAKE. They didn't even try, even a little. Like everyone knew how fucking weak her passive was for the longest time, after they removed its neutral monster half damage. But nope. Don't even bother touching that even. Seriously they could've just changed it to like 35% reduced damage from all monsters (except dragon/baron), give her slight base hp regen. More manageable mana cost on her, or something. But nope. Oh, not even that. They made fizz, and essentially laughed at eve's passive. Seriously. How can even defend Riot's choice to not even try fixing eve, before completely re-doing her. And don't fuckign pretend "oh stealth mechanic makes it "unbalanceable" when, there are plenty of champs right now that clearly need nerfs but haven't been touched. You'd have to argue that changes to eve would be on par to perma-banned alistar, to even say that any changes to her would make her op'd. w8 what, it wasn't just a year of nothing. Afaik there were like half a dozen iterations of eve changes done on the internal testing server that riot scrapped and then started again. We didn't see any changes, but that doesn't mean that riot wasn't working on her at all. also you clearly don't remember what it was like when eve had stun. alistar pales in comparison to that bullshit. edit: What you're asking is pretty unreasonable. You're basically asking them to just keep trying to release unfinished product so that you can feel like they're working on the project. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Roaming taric was a terror back then too, and TF had unlimited range on that ulti. They all got nerfed, then buffed. Taric got changes uptil his remake as well. Seriously not asking for too much out of Riot, in reference to what they did to Eve. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 20 2012 13:34 wei2coolman wrote: You think internal testing even comes close to mass consumer testing? I'm sure there are plenty of stuff they've done in internal testing that they felt were "strong" and balanced, and then released it into public play, and it ended being weak as shit. Just look at Syndra. Roaming taric was a terror back then too, and TF had unlimited range on that ulti. They all got nerfed, then buffed. Taric got changes uptil his remake as well. Seriously not asking for too much out of Riot, in reference to what they did to Eve. It makes me curious to see how I would be in internal testing, because I don't think I'd personally check off on Syndra being overly good (still early though). Moonbear, make that happen, wouldja? ;P | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 20 2012 13:39 jcarlsoniv wrote: It makes me curious to see how I would be in internal testing, because I don't think I'd personally check off on Syndra being overly good (still early though). Moonbear, make that happen, wouldja? ;P Well they clearly felt she was good enough to be released into current game. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On September 20 2012 13:34 wei2coolman wrote: You think internal testing even comes close to mass consumer testing? I'm sure there are plenty of stuff they've done in internal testing that they felt were "strong" and balanced, and then released it into public play, and it ended being weak as shit. Just look at Syndra. Roaming taric was a terror back then too, and TF had unlimited range on that ulti. They all got nerfed, then buffed. Taric got changes uptil his remake as well. Seriously not asking for too much out of Riot, in reference to what they did to Eve. for the record, because a lot of people seem to get confused roaming was never "nerfed" people just started buying more wards taric was nerfed because of his lane strength. his ability to roam has not been changed in the slightest - in fact it's only within the past year or so that people have actively bought wards to counter roaming | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Eve, complete and utter shit champion for a year. Waits a year to completely remake champion. Can't you not see how this seriously irks me? I guess my butthurt was that I bought Eve with IP, like 2 weeks before they nerfed her. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
she's not fun to play, and even less fun to play against. just like shaco, she's extremely binary. either you get fed on kills that your opponent doesn't expect, or you don't. there's no real teamfighting to speak of, no cool maneuvers you can do, no way to outplay someone as eve. you just surprise kill them or you don't and that's just not fun that kind of binary play can be done right (see: lee sin, although he has his own set of problems but i think they're under control atm), and it can be done very wrong (see also: shaco). in eve's case it's just not interesting and not fun she was only like 3150 IP anyway man i barely have time to play this game and i can grind 3150 IP very easily i even have a skin for eve and i hate her :x | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On September 20 2012 13:44 Cloud9157 wrote: I hate playing jungle Udyr, especially when I get fed early. Can't do shit late game. >.> That's why you can't let it go to favorable late game for the opponent.If you get fed with jungle udyr you take 3 wards,ward their whole jungle and kill first thing on sight,take all the buffs,send their jungle to the stone age and go tower dive people.If you get to late game you need to at least arrive in it with a sizable advantage. If you are stronger you need to contest everything and make sure your lanes will follow. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On September 20 2012 13:34 wei2coolman wrote: You think internal testing even comes close to mass consumer testing? I'm sure there are plenty of stuff they've done in internal testing that they felt were "strong" and balanced, and then released it into public play, and it ended being weak as shit. Just look at Syndra. Roaming taric was a terror back then too, and TF had unlimited range on that ulti. They all got nerfed, then buffed. Taric got changes uptil his remake as well. Seriously not asking for too much out of Riot, in reference to what they did to Eve. if they can't even make something satisfactory in internal testing, what makes you think they would have the confidence to release their iterations to the public? taric's case wasn't really a remake, it was more fixing his ult to fit the original vision of the champ. His gameplay was not very much affected by the ult change, so because they weren't really changing how the champ works fundamentally, its actually not a huge deal to make stat changes. Another example of exactly what happened to eve happened to twitch, as well (both of which shared the 'near perma-stealth' mechanic). Twitch was not touched for more than a year before his remake, and his viability was almost as much in question as eve's was, so I'm kinda confused why you're specifically choosing eve here. I think something that further compounds this issue is a fundamental disconnect that you and I have in terms of product development. (feel free to correct me, as i'm essentially speaking for you from this point) I feel like you would prefer to see a workable product released, and have a number of community inputs to indicate the direction further changes should take. I, on the other hand, believe that it's the balance testers and the designers responsibility to create as finished of a product as possible, and use the community input to fix bugs and unforeseen problems that arise post-release. I don't think one way is strictly superior to another, and most of the time, I feel like most balance concerns are resolved with a combination of the two. Now, it's not totally unreasonable to ask for tweaks on numbers while we wait for the full remake, but at the same time you have to consider that A) my guess is that riot did not expect this remake to take as long as it did, and B) riot made it pretty clear fairly early on that the entire design of eve was going to change in many respects, which really makes it seem less of a good idea to really adjust eve from a nerfed-to-hell state. It doesn't help that during eve's entire existence, she has always been either A) total shit, and/or B) incredibly frustrating to play against, on multiple levels. She has never been even close to a near-balanced state. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
super offtopic, but if anyone here is a calculus god PLEASE help me out. have an assignment due tomorrow and i'm unranked in calculus. link if anyone's interested will reciprocate with anything short of a bj | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On September 20 2012 13:35 Gahlo wrote: Tired me is getting convinced into trying 9/21/0 on Riven. Must be time for bed, this is giving me dejavu when I almost talked myself into Trinity Vayne. I've been trying 18/12/0 and 15/15/0 because tough skin + indomitable is too good. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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