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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
September 20 2012 01:59 GMT
#2341
The majority of champs they've tried to make viable recently have no business existing as far as I'm concerned.
twitch.tv/cratonz
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 20 2012 02:03 GMT
#2342
On September 20 2012 10:59 Craton wrote:
The majority of champs they've tried to make viable recently have no business existing as far as I'm concerned.

This. I hate the change to Kat and Eve. They should've just buffed the old kits, rather than just remake. The remake loses a lot of charm of the original champion.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 20 2012 02:06 GMT
#2343
On September 20 2012 10:55 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 10:46 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 20 2012 10:44 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On September 20 2012 10:15 Sufficiency wrote:
Anyone else in the Toronto area having 170ish ping? Or is it just me? I am so pissed because this game is borderline unplayable right now.


I'm in Borden and I'm getting the same, so fucking ridiculous, glad it's not just me

edit: Who's your ISP?


Rogers.


Me too, and my buddy near me has the same issue.

Fuck Rogers imo


I am researching alternatives right now.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 02:12:21
September 20 2012 02:11 GMT
#2344
On September 20 2012 11:03 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 10:59 Craton wrote:
The majority of champs they've tried to make viable recently have no business existing as far as I'm concerned.

This. I hate the change to Kat and Eve. They should've just buffed the old kits, rather than just remake. The remake loses a lot of charm of the original champion.

They never had any charm.

Fuck champs with CD resets, that have stealth, that have enormous amounts of free mobility, that are designed purely around 100-0ing someone. Similarly, fuck DFG, an item whose sole point of existing is to instagib someone.

I could go on, but suffice to say champs like Kat or Eve are extremely toxic and never remotely enjoyable to play against. THAT'S why they have no business existing, let alone being buffed or changed to become viable.
twitch.tv/cratonz
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 20 2012 02:13 GMT
#2345
On September 20 2012 11:03 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 10:59 Craton wrote:
The majority of champs they've tried to make viable recently have no business existing as far as I'm concerned.

This. I hate the change to Kat and Eve. They should've just buffed the old kits, rather than just remake. The remake loses a lot of charm of the original champion.

Eve's old kit just had to go. Long duration stealth is just not balance-able in the context of a game where the general power level is so low. You just don't have design room to play with in terms of balancing long duration stealth.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
September 20 2012 02:14 GMT
#2346
Froggen going the standard Tear Mejai Warmog build again.
twitch.tv/cratonz
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 02:15:57
September 20 2012 02:15 GMT
#2347
On September 20 2012 11:13 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 11:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 20 2012 10:59 Craton wrote:
The majority of champs they've tried to make viable recently have no business existing as far as I'm concerned.

This. I hate the change to Kat and Eve. They should've just buffed the old kits, rather than just remake. The remake loses a lot of charm of the original champion.

Eve's old kit just had to go. Long duration stealth is just not balance-able in the context of a game where the general power level is so low. You just don't have design room to play with in terms of balancing long duration stealth.

Meh, I don't think they tried hard enough imo. I mean they didn't even bother trying to fix Eve after removing the stun... They decided "NAH FUCK IT, we'll just say we'll completely change invisibility a year from now".
liftlift > tsm
Ziken
Profile Joined August 2010
Ghana1743 Posts
September 20 2012 02:16 GMT
#2348
On September 20 2012 10:41 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 10:23 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 20 2012 10:21 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 20 2012 10:15 Sufficiency wrote:
Anyone else in the Toronto area having 170ish ping? Or is it just me? I am so pissed because this game is borderline unplayable right now.

dat feeling when you always have below 20 ping, because you only live an hour drive from Riot headquarters.

Pinging na.leagueoflends.com [69.43.161.206] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 69.43.161.206: bytes=32 time=177ms TTL=54
Reply from 69.43.161.206: bytes=32 time=170ms TTL=54
Reply from 69.43.161.206: bytes=32 time=172ms TTL=54
Reply from 69.43.161.206: bytes=32 time=168ms TTL=54

Ping statistics for 69.43.161.206:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 168ms, Maximum = 177ms, Average = 171ms

ffs


Oh god I think it might be my ISP's problem. It's definitely not my router or my computer. It seems that on speedtest.com I get 200+ ping from the LA test server.

Sigh, this game is so unplayable for me right now.... QQ


Its strange, I play on EUW from India, so my ping is always 160-180, I find it quite playable
Every misfortune is a blessing in disguise.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
September 20 2012 02:20 GMT
#2349
bugsplat all day
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
September 20 2012 02:29 GMT
#2350
On September 20 2012 10:27 Gahlo wrote:
Well frack. Was hoping to refund my 7page bundle and redump it all into the 2page sale for max pages. MoonBizzle, do you think I could work that out in a support ticket?

It takes their support team so long to do anything, you wont get the RP back in time. dont even bother.
Also, on your question; they'll refund anything you buy 1 time, and if youre really really lucky twice.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 20 2012 02:29 GMT
#2351
On September 20 2012 11:16 Ziken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 10:41 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 20 2012 10:23 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 20 2012 10:21 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 20 2012 10:15 Sufficiency wrote:
Anyone else in the Toronto area having 170ish ping? Or is it just me? I am so pissed because this game is borderline unplayable right now.

dat feeling when you always have below 20 ping, because you only live an hour drive from Riot headquarters.

Pinging na.leagueoflends.com [69.43.161.206] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 69.43.161.206: bytes=32 time=177ms TTL=54
Reply from 69.43.161.206: bytes=32 time=170ms TTL=54
Reply from 69.43.161.206: bytes=32 time=172ms TTL=54
Reply from 69.43.161.206: bytes=32 time=168ms TTL=54

Ping statistics for 69.43.161.206:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 168ms, Maximum = 177ms, Average = 171ms

ffs


Oh god I think it might be my ISP's problem. It's definitely not my router or my computer. It seems that on speedtest.com I get 200+ ping from the LA test server.

Sigh, this game is so unplayable for me right now.... QQ


Its strange, I play on EUW from India, so my ping is always 160-180, I find it quite playable


I am not sure what you have been playing but it is definitely not playable. There are many things you cannot do when you have that much latency.

For example, Ahri's R has a 1 second cooldown between dashes. If you want to hit an Ahri with Cassiopeia's Q during Ahri's ultimate, you have a 1 second window. Assuming you have 0.2 seconds delay and the Ahri has 0 seconds delay, then:

Time 0: Ahri use R
Time 0.2: you see Ahri's R
Time 0.2: (for argument's sake): you cast Q at Ahri's current position
Time 0.4: Your Q registers by the server
Time 1.0: Your Q lands after the 0.6 delay.

This is assuming you can react instantly. Unfortunately it takes most players 0.05-0.1 seconds to react (because this involves seeing the situation as well as repositioning the mouse cursor), so unless you have <0.15 seconds delay Ahri is basically invulnerable while she ults.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
September 20 2012 02:30 GMT
#2352
I refunded Pulsefire Ezreal gg. I owe that skin for getting me like 300 Elo but oh well it sux.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 20 2012 02:32 GMT
#2353
You can definitely learn to play at ~200ms; as I recall there are people (maybe nyx?) who used to have to play from Asia and had high ping but were high elo anyway.
It just takes a lot of getting used to, and it just kinda sucks.

Also I agree, fuck Rogers. I don't have latency issues, but I hate their stupid plans and the fact that I can't stream in high def because of bandwidth caps and the fact that I only have 1 Mbps.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
September 20 2012 02:32 GMT
#2354
<200 is playable once you're used to it.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
September 20 2012 02:43 GMT
#2355
Anything up to 250 is playable.
The real problem is having frequent changes in the ping.
I get ~180-200 to NA and it's easily playable. You get used to it in 1 or 2 games.
You won't ever be quite as fast (aka not as good), but it's not that big of a deal.

And a lot of that can be further diminished by picking champs/roles accordingly.

But if you get a lot of lagspikes (doesn't happen often anymore, but it used to way back when EU server was really terrible), you might as well go afk, and be at least as useful.
Cause thanks to the Ultimate Law Of The Universe, the lag will ALWAYS spike at the worst time possible.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
September 20 2012 02:45 GMT
#2356
Calling it now: Kha'Zix is gonna be ridiculously good in top lane. Brush is plentiful for activating his passive, he gets a heal, and he's pretty much always gonna get the bonus damage on his W. I am curious what qualifies as being "isolated" in relation to his W, though. If it's long-range enough you won't even need to ward.
whole lies with a half smile
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14210 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 02:48:07
September 20 2012 02:46 GMT
#2357
fuck yes this refund thing just made my day so hard.

The chinese play at 200 or more ping. you want to play like the chinese. therefore you want 200 ping. The chinese learn to judge where the arhi is gona come out of her dash's and q's there early.

you are now asian level moba player.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 20 2012 02:49 GMT
#2358
On September 20 2012 11:15 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 11:13 TheYango wrote:
On September 20 2012 11:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 20 2012 10:59 Craton wrote:
The majority of champs they've tried to make viable recently have no business existing as far as I'm concerned.

This. I hate the change to Kat and Eve. They should've just buffed the old kits, rather than just remake. The remake loses a lot of charm of the original champion.

Eve's old kit just had to go. Long duration stealth is just not balance-able in the context of a game where the general power level is so low. You just don't have design room to play with in terms of balancing long duration stealth.

Meh, I don't think they tried hard enough imo. I mean they didn't even bother trying to fix Eve after removing the stun... They decided "NAH FUCK IT, we'll just say we'll completely change invisibility a year from now".


How could they successfully balance it? It seems like stealth is inherently problematic in LoL because of the heavy emphasis on warding and the basically 50% markup in price for stealth detection + the added need for lane wards to prevent lane ganks.
Freeeeeeedom
Zizoz
Profile Joined June 2012
United States232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 02:56:26
September 20 2012 02:55 GMT
#2359
I assumed Kha'Zix's W considered minions as well as champions.

Also, I remember when I was spectating one of the featured games, it was interesting to note that my 70 ping, which was normal or low in my games (~1200 elo), would have been among the highest in the featured game.
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
September 20 2012 02:56 GMT
#2360
On September 20 2012 11:46 Sermokala wrote:
fuck yes this refund thing just made my day so hard.

The chinese play at 200 or more ping. you want to play like the chinese. therefore you want 200 ping. The chinese learn to judge where the arhi is gona come out of her dash's and q's there early.

you are now asian level moba player.

Indeed. Anyone playing from Australia also has 170 ping at best. Dealing with it is a matter of improving your anticipation.
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