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SoulSever
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada779 Posts
September 20 2012 03:03 GMT
#2361
Froggen playing middlesticks. Thoughts? I've always though it would be good because fiddle with lane farm is amazing
Violet <3 ~~~Better places than here exist
Celestial
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States652 Posts
September 20 2012 03:08 GMT
#2362
On September 20 2012 11:45 Node wrote:
Calling it now: Kha'Zix is gonna be ridiculously good in top lane. Brush is plentiful for activating his passive, he gets a heal, and he's pretty much always gonna get the bonus damage on his W. I am curious what qualifies as being "isolated" in relation to his W, though. If it's long-range enough you won't even need to ward.


I'm pretty sure from the text of his reveal it means they can't even be standing next to minions. I only say this because a line specifies that he can clear a wave to help isolate someone: "Remember that the area of effect damage from Void Spike can help clear away any lingering minions to isolate a foe, making them vulnerable to some additional punishment."
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 03:16:12
September 20 2012 03:10 GMT
#2363
I refunded Vlad, LB and Swain so it's time to buy some junglers. What do you guys recommend? I'm definitely buying Skarner but I can buy two more 6300 ones and I'm not sure. Thinking about Hecarim and then I'm undecided between Nocturne, Nautilus, Maokai, Sejuani, Shyvanna, Volibear and Rengar (is he considered a jungler or a top laner?).
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 20 2012 03:15 GMT
#2364
I wonder how many of you that said ~200 ping is playable actually played under 50 ping. There are a lot of amazing plays you can pull off with 50 ping which you can never do with 200 ping.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
September 20 2012 03:21 GMT
#2365
On September 20 2012 12:10 Zhiroo wrote:
I refunded Vlad, LB and Swain so it's time to buy some junglers. What do you guys recommend? I'm definitely buying Skarner but I can buy two more 6300 ones and I'm not sure. Thinking about Hecarim and then I'm undecided between Nocturne, Nautilus, Maokai, Sejuani, Shyvanna, Volibear and Rengar (is he considered a jungler or a top laner?).

maokai and nocturne
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
September 20 2012 03:21 GMT
#2366
On September 20 2012 12:15 Sufficiency wrote:
I wonder how many of you that said ~200 ping is playable actually played under 50 ping. There are a lot of amazing plays you can pull off with 50 ping which you can never do with 200 ping.


Sure, but it's still playable. I've play WoW with <10 ping and with 200-300 ping, the difference is huge (even more so in LoL with skillshots) but manageable. You will do worse with higher ping, but it's definately possible to play decently well.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
September 20 2012 03:24 GMT
#2367
On September 20 2012 11:55 Zizoz wrote:
I assumed Kha'Zix's W considered minions as well as champions.

Also, I remember when I was spectating one of the featured games, it was interesting to note that my 70 ping, which was normal or low in my games (~1200 elo), would have been among the highest in the featured game.

Pretty coincidental. The gaming houses of late are far from the servers in places like New York, too.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
September 20 2012 03:26 GMT
#2368
On September 20 2012 12:03 SoulSever wrote:
Froggen playing middlesticks. Thoughts? I've always though it would be good because fiddle with lane farm is amazing


Very situational pick vs mids that don't stun/suppress/disrupt Drain. I've heard he is good vs Vlad mid, but can sticks even push back if Vlad just shoves the lane? I was always under the impression he had horrible pushing power, but I have never played him, so dunno.

Honestly wish he was just a viable jungler again. Those days were legit, even if he wasn't on your team.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
September 20 2012 03:27 GMT
#2369
On September 20 2012 11:03 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 10:59 Craton wrote:
The majority of champs they've tried to make viable recently have no business existing as far as I'm concerned.

This. I hate the change to Kat and Eve. They should've just buffed the old kits, rather than just remake. The remake loses a lot of charm of the original champion.


Honestly I hated old eve to death and I love new eve. New eve so much more fun, Q especially is seven million times more fun than that old crappy thing that wouldn't work if they weren't in melee range or there were creeps nearby, had to be mashed like crazy, and never felt like it did anything.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
September 20 2012 03:37 GMT
#2370
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2595054

Positive reinforcement? Yes please!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 04:11:30
September 20 2012 03:39 GMT
#2371
On September 20 2012 11:49 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 11:15 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 20 2012 11:13 TheYango wrote:
On September 20 2012 11:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 20 2012 10:59 Craton wrote:
The majority of champs they've tried to make viable recently have no business existing as far as I'm concerned.

This. I hate the change to Kat and Eve. They should've just buffed the old kits, rather than just remake. The remake loses a lot of charm of the original champion.

Eve's old kit just had to go. Long duration stealth is just not balance-able in the context of a game where the general power level is so low. You just don't have design room to play with in terms of balancing long duration stealth.

Meh, I don't think they tried hard enough imo. I mean they didn't even bother trying to fix Eve after removing the stun... They decided "NAH FUCK IT, we'll just say we'll completely change invisibility a year from now".


How could they successfully balance it? It seems like stealth is inherently problematic in LoL because of the heavy emphasis on warding and the basically 50% markup in price for stealth detection + the added need for lane wards to prevent lane ganks.

The problem isn't whether or they could. They simply didn't try.
Essentially they removed eve stun, and then left her that way for an entire year, they didn't even bother trying to change a single stat on her during that entire year. Seriously they patch every week or 2 weeks, that's like 20-30 chances they had to just change some base numbers or something. But NOPE. JUST WAIT FOR INVIS REMAKE GUIZ.

http://lol-patch.com/evelynn.html

Seriously, 1 fucking year, of nothing. THEN REMAKE.
They didn't even try, even a little.
Like everyone knew how fucking weak her passive was for the longest time, after they removed its neutral monster half damage. But nope. Don't even bother touching that even. Seriously they could've just changed it to like 35% reduced damage from all monsters (except dragon/baron), give her slight base hp regen. More manageable mana cost on her, or something. But nope. Oh, not even that. They made fizz, and essentially laughed at eve's passive. Seriously. How can even defend Riot's choice to not even try fixing eve, before completely re-doing her.

And don't fuckign pretend "oh stealth mechanic makes it "unbalanceable" when, there are plenty of champs right now that clearly need nerfs but haven't been touched. You'd have to argue that changes to eve would be on par to perma-banned alistar, to even say that any changes to her would make her op'd.
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 20 2012 03:47 GMT
#2372
On September 20 2012 12:39 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 11:49 cLutZ wrote:
On September 20 2012 11:15 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 20 2012 11:13 TheYango wrote:
On September 20 2012 11:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 20 2012 10:59 Craton wrote:
The majority of champs they've tried to make viable recently have no business existing as far as I'm concerned.

This. I hate the change to Kat and Eve. They should've just buffed the old kits, rather than just remake. The remake loses a lot of charm of the original champion.

Eve's old kit just had to go. Long duration stealth is just not balance-able in the context of a game where the general power level is so low. You just don't have design room to play with in terms of balancing long duration stealth.

Meh, I don't think they tried hard enough imo. I mean they didn't even bother trying to fix Eve after removing the stun... They decided "NAH FUCK IT, we'll just say we'll completely change invisibility a year from now".


How could they successfully balance it? It seems like stealth is inherently problematic in LoL because of the heavy emphasis on warding and the basically 50% markup in price for stealth detection + the added need for lane wards to prevent lane ganks.

The problem isn't whether or they could. They simply didn't try.
Essentially they removed eve stun, and then left her that way for an entire year, they didn't even bother trying to change a single stat on her during that entire year. Seriously they patch every week or 2 weeks, that's like 20-30 chances they had to just change some base numbers or something. But NOPE. JUST WAIT FOR INVIS REMAKE GUIZ.


So. What would YOU have done? Buffed stats until Eve's winrate was good? At what ELO?

Eve (and stealth) is basically the Vanilla Ret Paladin of LoL: If its balanced for bad players it sucks for good players, if its balanced for good players its OP for bad players; or vice-versa.
Freeeeeeedom
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 20 2012 03:50 GMT
#2373
On September 20 2012 12:37 Gahlo wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2595054

Positive reinforcement? Yes please!


this, if implemented properly, will be the best feature in league by far
i hope eventually queues can be broken down into honor too
like you queue into your elo range but then you're more likely to get matched with players of similar honor level in your elo bracket. let the shitbag ragers play together and give me the manner teammates please
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6221 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 03:53:02
September 20 2012 03:52 GMT
#2374
Wow. Rengar + Orianna is devastating. It's literally malphite + Orianna that you can't see coming and does MORE AoE dps. AP rengar + orianna = massive damage to everyone. The person rengar jumps is guaranteed to die, anyone nearby that person is also guaranteed to die between orianna's RW and rengar's ww, 600 range jump is so BS especially since all it requires is a bush or even just his stupid ulti.
ViZe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1513 Posts
September 20 2012 03:59 GMT
#2375
Spectating Shake v. DHD in a what appears to be a solo-queue match :3
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2397 Posts
September 20 2012 04:13 GMT
#2376
On September 20 2012 06:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 06:21 gtrsrs wrote:
On September 20 2012 05:49 AsnSensation wrote:
Random, but I thought this was pretty interesting,

http://de.twitch.tv/aieron

someguy who has no hands was playing league earlier and is now streaming guild wars 2 for charity, he pushes the keyboard with a pen and use his cheek for the mouse, what a boss.


i started watching this and almost started crying
how inspiring

He's pretty good at GW too :O


wow i didnt know he put a stream up, he's an rl friend of mine. yeah i played SWTOR with him for a bit and he was pretty good.
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
September 20 2012 04:13 GMT
#2377
I never had more than 10 ping <3 korea
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
September 20 2012 04:15 GMT
#2378
On September 20 2012 12:39 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 11:49 cLutZ wrote:
On September 20 2012 11:15 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 20 2012 11:13 TheYango wrote:
On September 20 2012 11:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 20 2012 10:59 Craton wrote:
The majority of champs they've tried to make viable recently have no business existing as far as I'm concerned.

This. I hate the change to Kat and Eve. They should've just buffed the old kits, rather than just remake. The remake loses a lot of charm of the original champion.

Eve's old kit just had to go. Long duration stealth is just not balance-able in the context of a game where the general power level is so low. You just don't have design room to play with in terms of balancing long duration stealth.

Meh, I don't think they tried hard enough imo. I mean they didn't even bother trying to fix Eve after removing the stun... They decided "NAH FUCK IT, we'll just say we'll completely change invisibility a year from now".


How could they successfully balance it? It seems like stealth is inherently problematic in LoL because of the heavy emphasis on warding and the basically 50% markup in price for stealth detection + the added need for lane wards to prevent lane ganks.

The problem isn't whether or they could. They simply didn't try.
Essentially they removed eve stun, and then left her that way for an entire year, they didn't even bother trying to change a single stat on her during that entire year. Seriously they patch every week or 2 weeks, that's like 20-30 chances they had to just change some base numbers or something. But NOPE. JUST WAIT FOR INVIS REMAKE GUIZ.

http://lol-patch.com/evelynn.html

Seriously, 1 fucking year, of nothing. THEN REMAKE.
They didn't even try, even a little.
Like everyone knew how fucking weak her passive was for the longest time, after they removed its neutral monster half damage. But nope. Don't even bother touching that even. Seriously they could've just changed it to like 35% reduced damage from all monsters (except dragon/baron), give her slight base hp regen. More manageable mana cost on her, or something. But nope. Oh, not even that. They made fizz, and essentially laughed at eve's passive. Seriously. How can even defend Riot's choice to not even try fixing eve, before completely re-doing her.

And don't fuckign pretend "oh stealth mechanic makes it "unbalanceable" when, there are plenty of champs right now that clearly need nerfs but haven't been touched. You'd have to argue that changes to eve would be on par to perma-banned alistar, to even say that any changes to her would make her op'd.


They kept eve at a power level that wouldn't scare new players away from league, simple as that. Unfortunately due to how long-term stealth works that means she was unviable for everyone above summoner level 20.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
September 20 2012 04:18 GMT
#2379
On September 20 2012 12:37 Gahlo wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2595054

Positive reinforcement? Yes please!


I think it is already implented on the korean server. Its called mannered players and they get a reward if they are chosen.
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
September 20 2012 04:19 GMT
#2380
On September 20 2012 12:59 ViZe wrote:
Spectating Shake v. DHD in a what appears to be a solo-queue match :3

lol.
Needed to vent my stress from studying by doing a lil bit of trolling. My vlad is still stronk.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
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